Demon Slayer - Kimetsu no Yaiba (Game over)

[Pink Ball]

I deman apology and green m&m

I'll do it at the end of the game

[Pink Ball]

From my understanding grandpa only protects humans
R u human pb

Yes I'm the pig kid, but I trust GiF more than Grandpa

[Frozen Angel]

Muzan:

Head down and kneel. Prostrate before me.

Vote Count 4.6

Ranger (4) [E2]: Firebringer, Klickwork, Flavor Leaf, Pink Ball


Not Voting (6): GrandpaMo, KawaiiKame, GuyInFreezer, Ranger, Enchant, hebichan

With 10 players alive it takes 6 votes to eliminate.

Day 4 ends in (expired on 2023-04-19 17:00:00)

Note: -

[Klickwork]

Grandpa on GiF and GiF on you seems like a good plan

[Klickwork]

Please don't speedlim yet

Do you have a reason?

[Enchant]

Please don't speedlim yet

Do you have a reason?

So people don't claim "Oh wait i forgot to tell NAMEROLE to do ACTION"

[Enchant]

Otherwise i am cool with Ranger ded

[Klickwork]

I am going to bedge

[Pink Ball]

Good night my sweet prince

[Ranger]

Hello.
I'm unopposed to my lim today. I recognize the damning evidence implicating me, and I've no real explanation* for it.

Despite this, I'm town. Tomorrow, you'll be left scratching your heads confused at what's happened. It

doesn’t

make sense.

I want to try my best to leave you with the best chances tomorrow.
I've a fullclaim to make, as well as another round of questions for the mod, regarding redirection role interactions.
I've reads to give. Regardless of what you believe my alignment is, you should want me to share.

We've had a massclaim. I'm both a mechanically-oriented player and a flavor expert; I can share my knowledge and give my theories.

I'm currently incapacitated, so I need approximately 20 hours of leniency. I shouldn’t need a full 24 hours, just about 20. (16-18 hours incapacitated, 2-4 to share my role, thoughts, theories, etc.)

Can I please have that amount?

[Pink Ball]

Yes you can
UNVOTE: Ranger

[Enchant]

Can't wait to listen to mech expert.

[Ranger]

Hello.
I'm unopposed to my lim today. I recognize the damning evidence implicating me, and I've no real explanation* for it.

Despite this, I'm town. Tomorrow, you'll be left scratching your heads confused at what's happened. It

doesn’t

make sense.

The asterisk is because I've tinfoil theories.
Obviously, it’s within Klickwork's scumrange to bus. I don’t think they did, so I am trying to figure out alternatives.
No further town redirection has been claimed, outside of Flavor Leaf's Nexus claim.

My tinfoil is, Drew hasted and killed Flavor Leaf, with FL activating his power N2, and the kill randomly landed on IceDragon and the haste on me. (This seems something FL

would

do.)

I need to ask the mod about the mechanics; it doesn’t seem it should work as so.

I should be clear; my attempts at finding an answer aren’t to save myself. Simply seeking the truth today, as you'll be forced to tomorrow. I realize I should be flipped today, I objectively have been guiltied. Still, I know the guilty is

wrong

.
I don’t understand how or why, and after my flip, neither will you.

Unclaimed redirection, Klickwork lying, my tinfoil theory being right, scum deliberately hasting town, I don’t have an answer. I want to try in the next 20 hours to leave you one after I die today.

[Enchant]

My tinfoil is, Drew hasted and killed Flavor Leaf, with FL activating his power N2, and the kill randomly landed on IceDragon and the haste on me. (This seems something FL

would

do.)

FL claimed not activating it N2.

[Pink Ball]

with FL activating his power N2

Would a track not work on a Nexus?

[Ranger]

My tinfoil is, Drew hasted and killed Flavor Leaf, with FL activating his power N2, and the kill randomly landed on IceDragon and the haste on me. (This seems something FL

would

do.)

FL claimed not activating it N2.

I'm aware. Inherent in the tinfoil is FL lying. (Not necessarily him being scum, although quite likely in the scenario.)

with FL activating his power N2

Would a track not work on a Nexus?

A good question. One which you should ask and so should I.

A default Nexus is a passive role, as Vengeful, Bomb, Bulletproof, etc. all are: it doesn’t count as performing an action.

An activated Nexus is more situational. For similarly passive roles requiring activation, there’s no universal standard I know of. An activated BP for instance: you can argue it’s still a passive and thus doesn’t visit; you can also argue by virtue of activating, it does.
Not all activated roles are visiting; example: criers post a public message. You can argue it visits everyone, nobody, or even just the player themselves. The most common is not visiting, yet all 3 remain valid.

By

default

, if your action landed on a Nexus and couldn't be redirected by the Nexus, it

should

show as the Nexus not visiting.
It could also show as visiting everyone.
It could also show as visiting themselves.

This is also dependent on your action not being redirected after I redirected it.

There’s a reason I called it tinfoil. It’d require a very specific interpretation of multiple roles interacting with each other.

Like I said; I don’t

really

have answers. I'm trying to find some for you tomorrow; I've yet to succeed. I'll continue brainstorming as I can.

[GuyInFreezer]

PB got “Flavor Leaf didn’t visit anyone” on N2.
He got his name so he wasn’t redirected. So FL didn’t pop his fog N2.

[Enchant]

You want to implue that mafia Drew attacked Flavor, own teammate for sake of using fog of redirection.

That's correct?

[Pink Ball]

PB got “Flavor Leaf didn’t visit anyone” on N2.
He got his name so he wasn’t redirected. So FL didn’t pop his fog N2.

Yeah this, it doesn't matter what result it would show, I can confirm it wasn't activated 'cause I would've been redirected if he activated it in the first place

[Ranger]

Tou want to imply that mafia Drew attacked Flavor, own teammate for sake of using fog of redirection.
That's correct?

Mostly, yes.
More aptly, the tinfoil theory goes: scum knew FL's role, knew he'd activate it N2, hasted it to guarantee it resolved first, then killed FL. Except instead of hasting FL, FL's redirect caused the haste to land on me.

I don’t know why scum wouldn’t just haste the player making the nightkill, but we already know

for whatever reason

, they didn’t.

In short,

Doctor Drew made the kill N2;
Doctor Drew hasted me;
Why did Doctor Drew make the kill?

Maximum efficiency

should

be,
Doctor Drew hastes a scumbuddy,
The hasted scumbuddy makes the kill.

We Know they

didn’t

do so. Doctor Drew, the one doing the hasting, made the kill. Not the player he hasted.

I feel part of answering why I was hasted is reliant on figuring out why Doctor Drew hasted

and

killed, instead of the more optimal hasting a scumbuddy who then kills.

My best guess is the tinfoil theory right now.
I wish I had better. I don’t, not yet.

PB got “Flavor Leaf didn’t visit anyone” on N2.
He got his name so he wasn’t redirected. So FL didn’t pop his fog N2.

Yeah this, it doesn't matter what result it would show, I can confirm it wasn't activated 'cause I would've been redirected if he activated it in the first place

You misunderstand.

My theory isn’t "PB got redirected off FL, to someone who didn’t visit".

My theory is "PB visited FL, but FL's power didn’t display as a visit".

This theory does rely on PB being unable to be redirected off an activated Nexus.

It’s actually a common interaction by NAR:
Actions are often only able to be redirected

once

--and I redirected PB

to

FL.

The interactions are messy. It works in theory as so:
Drew kills+hastes FL.
FL's nexus redirects the kill to IceDragon, and the haste to me.
I get hasted.
I redirect PB to FL.
FL's Nexus would

normally

redirect PB elsewhere, but I--with a hasted redirect--redirected PB to FL.
FL's nexus redirection is in conflict with my redirection.
Since I got hasted, my redirect took priority, causing PB to land on FL.

This is a chain requiring half a dozen mechanical assumptions on my part. I called it tinfoil for good reason. It still is my best answer right now, despite how convoluted it is.

[Ranger]

Quick caveat;
I know my theory violates Ockam's Razor.
The simplest explanation objectively is scum hasted a scumbuddy who redirected.
I

know

the simplest explanation is wrong, because I'm town.

So to be clear and reiterate, I do die today, to verify the simplest explanation doesn’t apply.

You'll be left tomorrow to figure out what non-simple explanation makes things fit; my efforts are meant to support you there.

[GuyInFreezer]

I want explicit protection on me, either from GiF or Grandpa. I want one of them to explicitly state that they're protecting me

I have 0 reason to not be on you

[GuyInFreezer]

anyway we have 12 days ish for deadline (surprise) so we don’t need to rush things

We can actually take it easy for once

[Pink Ball]

The next simplest explanation if you're town is that you had shitty reads and the scumteam didn't feel threatened by you and the scumtead had no other active powers to haste. Your mech theory is not that good.

[Enchant]

The next simplest explanation if you're town is that you had shitty reads and the scumteam didn't feel threatened by you and the scumtead had no other active powers to haste. Your mech theory is not that good.

Mafia always has nightkill to haste which makes this kill unable to be redirected.