I'll do it at the end of the gameIn post 2846, Klickwork wrote: I deman apology and green m&m
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Do you have a reason?In post 2847, Enchant wrote: Please don't speedlim yet-
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So people don't claim "Oh wait i forgot to tell NAMEROLE to do ACTION"In post 2854, Klickwork wrote:
Do you have a reason?In post 2847, Enchant wrote: Please don't speedlim yetWizard-Mercenary
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Hello.
I'm unopposed to my lim today. I recognize the damning evidence implicating me, and I've no real explanation* for it.
Despite this, I'm town. Tomorrow, you'll be left scratching your heads confused at what's happened. Itdoesn’tmake sense.
I want to try my best to leave you with the best chances tomorrow.
I've a fullclaim to make, as well as another round of questions for the mod, regarding redirection role interactions.
I've reads to give. Regardless of what you believe my alignment is, you should want me to share.
We've had a massclaim. I'm both a mechanically-oriented player and a flavor expert; I can share my knowledge and give my theories.
I'm currently incapacitated, so I need approximately 20 hours of leniency. I shouldn’t need a full 24 hours, just about 20. (16-18 hours incapacitated, 2-4 to share my role, thoughts, theories, etc.)
Can I please have that amount?AKA, rBree2. Casual tryhard. I've Quite the RANGE. #pluralgangGame History"Interestingly though, town winrate in Blitzes has been really high."- RadiantCowbells |"Ranger's been town in most of them."- Plotinus
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The asterisk is because I've tinfoil theories.In post 2859, Ranger wrote:Hello.
I'm unopposed to my lim today. I recognize the damning evidence implicating me, and I've no real explanation* for it.
Despite this, I'm town. Tomorrow, you'll be left scratching your heads confused at what's happened. Itdoesn’tmake sense.
Obviously, it’s within Klickwork's scumrange to bus. I don’t think they did, so I am trying to figure out alternatives.
No further town redirection has been claimed, outside of Flavor Leaf's Nexus claim.
My tinfoil is, Drew hasted and killed Flavor Leaf, with FL activating his power N2, and the kill randomly landed on IceDragon and the haste on me. (This seems something FLwoulddo.)
I need to ask the mod about the mechanics; it doesn’t seem it should work as so.
I should be clear; my attempts at finding an answer aren’t to save myself. Simply seeking the truth today, as you'll be forced to tomorrow. I realize I should be flipped today, I objectively have been guiltied. Still, I know the guilty iswrong.
I don’t understand how or why, and after my flip, neither will you.
Unclaimed redirection, Klickwork lying, my tinfoil theory being right, scum deliberately hasting town, I don’t have an answer. I want to try in the next 20 hours to leave you one after I die today.AKA, rBree2. Casual tryhard. I've Quite the RANGE. #pluralgangGame History"Interestingly though, town winrate in Blitzes has been really high."- RadiantCowbells |"Ranger's been town in most of them."- Plotinus
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FL claimed not activating it N2.In post 2862, Ranger wrote:
My tinfoil is, Drew hasted and killed Flavor Leaf, with FL activating his power N2, and the kill randomly landed on IceDragon and the haste on me. (This seems something FLwoulddo.)Wizard-Mercenary
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Would a track not work on a Nexus?In post 2862, Ranger wrote: with FL activating his power N2-
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I'm aware. Inherent in the tinfoil is FL lying. (Not necessarily him being scum, although quite likely in the scenario.)In post 2863, Enchant wrote:
FL claimed not activating it N2.In post 2862, Ranger wrote:
My tinfoil is, Drew hasted and killed Flavor Leaf, with FL activating his power N2, and the kill randomly landed on IceDragon and the haste on me. (This seems something FLwoulddo.)
A good question. One which you should ask and so should I.In post 2864, Pink Ball wrote:
Would a track not work on a Nexus?In post 2862, Ranger wrote: with FL activating his power N2
A default Nexus is a passive role, as Vengeful, Bomb, Bulletproof, etc. all are: it doesn’t count as performing an action.
An activated Nexus is more situational. For similarly passive roles requiring activation, there’s no universal standard I know of. An activated BP for instance: you can argue it’s still a passive and thus doesn’t visit; you can also argue by virtue of activating, it does.
Not all activated roles are visiting; example: criers post a public message. You can argue it visits everyone, nobody, or even just the player themselves. The most common is not visiting, yet all 3 remain valid.
Bydefault, if your action landed on a Nexus and couldn't be redirected by the Nexus, itshouldshow as the Nexus not visiting.
It could also show as visiting everyone.
It could also show as visiting themselves.
This is also dependent on your action not being redirected after I redirected it.
There’s a reason I called it tinfoil. It’d require a very specific interpretation of multiple roles interacting with each other.
Like I said; I don’treallyhave answers. I'm trying to find some for you tomorrow; I've yet to succeed. I'll continue brainstorming as I can.AKA, rBree2. Casual tryhard. I've Quite the RANGE. #pluralgangGame History"Interestingly though, town winrate in Blitzes has been really high."- RadiantCowbells |"Ranger's been town in most of them."- Plotinus
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PB got “Flavor Leaf didn’t visit anyone” on N2.
He got his name so he wasn’t redirected. So FL didn’t pop his fog N2.Show"I used to think you had this elegant-trolly, minimalist playstyle. Then I realized the playstyle is ~Lazy~
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You want to implue that mafia Drew attacked Flavor, own teammate for sake of using fog of redirection.
That's correct?Wizard-Mercenary
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Yeah this, it doesn't matter what result it would show, I can confirm it wasn't activated 'cause I would've been redirected if he activated it in the first placeIn post 2866, GuyInFreezer wrote: PB got “Flavor Leaf didn’t visit anyone” on N2.
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Mostly, yes.In post 2867, Enchant wrote:Tou want to imply that mafia Drew attacked Flavor, own teammate for sake of using fog of redirection.
That's correct?
More aptly, the tinfoil theory goes: scum knew FL's role, knew he'd activate it N2, hasted it to guarantee it resolved first, then killed FL. Except instead of hasting FL, FL's redirect caused the haste to land on me.
I don’t know why scum wouldn’t just haste the player making the nightkill, but we already knowfor whatever reason, they didn’t.
In short,
Doctor Drew made the kill N2;
Doctor Drew hasted me;
Why did Doctor Drew make the kill?
Maximum efficiencyshouldbe,
Doctor Drew hastes a scumbuddy,
The hasted scumbuddy makes the kill.
We Know theydidn’tdo so. Doctor Drew, the one doing the hasting, made the kill. Not the player he hasted.
I feel part of answering why I was hasted is reliant on figuring out why Doctor Drew hastedandkilled, instead of the more optimal hasting a scumbuddy who then kills.
My best guess is the tinfoil theory right now.
I wish I had better. I don’t, not yet.
You misunderstand.In post 2868, Pink Ball wrote:
Yeah this, it doesn't matter what result it would show, I can confirm it wasn't activated 'cause I would've been redirected if he activated it in the first placeIn post 2866, GuyInFreezer wrote:PB got “Flavor Leaf didn’t visit anyone” on N2.
He got his name so he wasn’t redirected. So FL didn’t pop his fog N2.
My theory isn’t "PB got redirected off FL, to someone who didn’t visit".
My theory is "PB visited FL, but FL's power didn’t display as a visit".
This theory does rely on PB being unable to be redirected off an activated Nexus.
It’s actually a common interaction by NAR:
Actions are often only able to be redirectedonce--and I redirected PBtoFL.
The interactions are messy. It works in theory as so:
Drew kills+hastes FL.
FL's nexus redirects the kill to IceDragon, and the haste to me.
I get hasted.
I redirect PB to FL.
FL's Nexus wouldnormallyredirect PB elsewhere, but I--with a hasted redirect--redirected PB to FL.
FL's nexus redirection is in conflict with my redirection.
Since I got hasted, my redirect took priority, causing PB to land on FL.
This is a chain requiring half a dozen mechanical assumptions on my part. I called it tinfoil for good reason. It still is my best answer right now, despite how convoluted it is.AKA, rBree2. Casual tryhard. I've Quite the RANGE. #pluralgangGame History"Interestingly though, town winrate in Blitzes has been really high."- RadiantCowbells |"Ranger's been town in most of them."- Plotinus
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Quick caveat;
I know my theory violates Ockam's Razor.
The simplest explanation objectively is scum hasted a scumbuddy who redirected.
Iknowthe simplest explanation is wrong, because I'm town.
So to be clear and reiterate, I do die today, to verify the simplest explanation doesn’t apply.
You'll be left tomorrow to figure out what non-simple explanation makes things fit; my efforts are meant to support you there.AKA, rBree2. Casual tryhard. I've Quite the RANGE. #pluralgangGame History"Interestingly though, town winrate in Blitzes has been really high."- RadiantCowbells |"Ranger's been town in most of them."- Plotinus
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I have 0 reason to not be on youIn post 2845, Pink Ball wrote: I want explicit protection on me, either from GiF or Grandpa. I want one of them to explicitly state that they're protecting meShow"I used to think you had this elegant-trolly, minimalist playstyle. Then I realized the playstyle is ~Lazy~
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anyway we have 12 days ish for deadline (surprise) so we don’t need to rush things
We can actually take it easy for onceShow"I used to think you had this elegant-trolly, minimalist playstyle. Then I realized the playstyle is ~Lazy~
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The next simplest explanation if you're town is that you had shitty reads and the scumteam didn't feel threatened by you and the scumtead had no other active powers to haste. Your mech theory is not that good.-
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Mafia always has nightkill to haste which makes this kill unable to be redirected.In post 2873, Pink Ball wrote: The next simplest explanation if you're town is that you had shitty reads and the scumteam didn't feel threatened by you and the scumtead had no other active powers to haste. Your mech theory is not that good.Wizard-Mercenary
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