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[MalcolmTucker]

I see no reason for this wagon on NJAC to have been dropped. Nothing has fundamentally changed about their play since it first formed, they remain fairly quiet and cautious in their play in a way I find believable in scum, and I don't think all that many people have particularly moved their read on the slot? That it was so close to working out and yet seems to have faded away seems suspicious to me, don't like it at all.

The vote on Skygazer isn't great either given that wagon has sort of popped up out of nowhere.

VOTE: NJAC

That vote isn't happening today. What do you think about venmar though?

Looks townie to me so far. Solid independent contributions, helpful to town thus far.

[MalcolmTucker]

like skygazer cares more about "haha I got to beetle juice!!!" than doing literally anything, like why are you concerned about this wagon unless... oh wait, partners

I'm inherently suspicious of fairly late-day wagons that haven't been floated for much of the day when other, viable options are suddenly cast aside even though there's still little to indicate they are town.

[Cephrir]

i dont know if it's fair to suggest that skygazer hasn't been floated for much of the day

[MalcolmTucker]

gut says FL is also scum with Malcolm+Skygazer, but I'm not as confident on that one yet.

Sure, the other player who has suspected you is conveniently scum as well, checks out.

[MalcolmTucker]

i dont know if it's fair to suggest that skygazer hasn't been floated for much of the day

I'll admit I've probably not read this game as closely as some others so I could have missed some vital exchanges but I just don't feel like it was being seen as a likely elimination until relatively recently? Hu/NJAC seemed like the closest we were to consolidating on one of two options once the heat on CKD faded away post-claim.

Given there was noted reluctance to pushing NJAC over the line, without there ever necessarily being a strong defence of them, I still don't really get why this wagon sort of just fell by the wayside, not seeing anything the slot has done to look more townie. People noted at the time there was a scummy feel to the inability for us to mount that final push.

[MalcolmTucker]

Spoiler:

vote count 1.7 !

curiouskarmadog (4):

Hu Tao, Bub Bidderskins, KittyTacky, KawaiiKame

Andante (3):

curiouskarmadog, GuyInFreezer, Flavor Leaf

Skygazer (3):

Save The Dragons, Cephrir, ballpointpen

Greeting (2):

NJAC, Kowahbunga

Hu Tao (2):

Glitch, Andante

Glitch (1):

Greeting

Cephrir (1):

Skygazer

not voting (1):

MalcolmTucker

with 17 alive, it takes 9 to put someone in the machine. day 1 ends in (expired on 2023-04-02 13:48:07)

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Spoiler:

isabelle ikpeme

vote count 1.8 !

curiouskarmadog (3):

Hu Tao, Bub Bidderskins, KittyTacky

Skygazer (3):

Save The Dragons, Cephrir, ballpointpen

Hu Tao (3):

Glitch, Andante, KawaiiKame

Greeting (2):

NJAC, Kowahbunga

NJAC (2):

Flavor Leaf, GuyInFreezer

Andante (1):

curiouskarmadog

Glitch (1):

Greeting

Cephrir (1):

Skygazer

not voting (1):

MalcolmTucker

with 17 alive, it takes 9 to put someone in the machine. day 1 ends in (expired on 2023-04-02 13:48:07)

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This was the worst danger Skygazer really seemed to face early on in terms of vote counts. Wagon then faded away and has only come back more recently. I don't think the slot's necessarily done much impressive and in isolation I wouldn't lose much sleep over voting them out based on play alone, but not keen how that wagon has formed at the expense of other slots who looked primed for a lim.

[Cephrir]

i thought njac's content was town, can't speak for others

[MalcolmTucker]

i thought njac's content was town, can't speak for others

Yeah there are obviously players who have consistently TR'd NJAC which is fair enough.

[MalcolmTucker]

If Ceph and Greeting wagons are not happening, then between Andante and Hu Tao I prefer the former. I'm not a fan of her erratic play, and her logic is bad.

VOTE: Andante

Andante, do you not think this vote looks terrible? It was opportunistic at the time, and the reasoning is quite bad - I feel like your push of me is frustrating and jumps the gun hugely but I'm trying to think rationally and not just scumreading you for it. This is one of the few cases where I think you could argue someone is using your playstyle as justification for the vote, and bad logic doesn't automatically mean scum because scum often work hard to ensure their logic seems solid above all else, it's a lazy and opportunistic vote at its core.

[NJAC]

Mmm. Malcolm could be scum after all.

[Cephrir]

Mmm. Malcolm could be scum after all.

You got anything besides omgus? He doesn't look scummy to me at all

[NJAC]

Mmm. Malcolm could be scum after all.

You got anything besides omgus? He doesn't look scummy to me at all

I'm trying to understand this late push on me, I don't find it particularly town motivated. But you are right, maybe is just OMGUS, because I had that slot leaning town.

It's just that the reasons for his case on me don't seem genuine.

[Cephrir]

What seems not genuine about them

[NJAC]

The push on me was originally motivated for my lack of participation, AFAICT. Malcolm says my posts haven't improved, but if the push was originally for the lack of participation and my participation improved, then it's not clear what have not improved. He apparently doesn't like that the wagon on me dissolved, and he seems to try to divert attention from the wagon on Skygazer.

[NJAC]

The push on me was originally motivated for my lack of participation, AFAICT. Malcolm says my posts haven't improved, but if the push was originally for the lack of participation and my participation improved, then it's not clear what have not improved. He apparently doesn't like that the wagon on me dissolved, and he seems to try to divert attention from the wagon on Skygazer.

[Cephrir]

Did he vote you for lack of participation tho. I don't think he did, maybe he disliked them all along

Without knowing skygazers alignment I can't do much with this (so help me kill skygazer I guess?)

[Cephrir]

Like I don't think that's him being disingenuous I think it's you not agreeing and that's not a scumtell

[Cephrir]

You could also choose to question him before going to the attack zone tho

[KittyTacky]

I don't see Ceph scum tbh.

[NJAC]

Okay, I see your point. I don't remember that Malcolm expressed before some particular reasons for voting me, but I must check.

I'm already voting Skygazer, BTW.

PEDIT: That's another reason to suspect him, he didn't ask me anything. He just voted me and expressed his "reasons". I was just pointing that he could be scum.

PEDIT2: This is in response to Ceph.

[Andante]

The timing of this is amazing I know, but I'm dealing with something in real life right now, I'm gonna just say I'm V/LA till like monday, unless I get good news tomorrow then no V/LA, but I don't see how it'll be good, so yeah sorry, I can try and check in sat/sun, but who knows, sorry. hopefully we yeet scum before then! but yeah my mind is in worst case scenario right now, and I.. yeah.

TLDR: V/LA till like monday

[Greeting]

Prod dodge, uphold my past reads. I don’t see anything unusual about

Andante

’s play either.

[Hu Tao]

Hopefully a replacement soon

[Venmar]

I think Ceph and Hu might be scum together, those skygazer votes stink hard

Skygazer has done nothing all game and you wanna protect them for ??? Reasons

I'm just interested in ending this day tbh, my read on Skygazer is officially null/neutral and I just feel like there's better options out there

[Venmar]

Malcolm is definitely town btw

Cephrir's posts on this page are actually... good? Not sure what to make of it now tbh

Someone give me a TL;DR on why Skygazer is of interest because I don't feel like figuring it out on my own right now, thanks