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[Hu Tao]

I really don't like this goading of the vigilante. I don't know if it's all that AI....but it's bad firm in a way I can't articulate.

I'm worried vig will shoot wrong based on how today is going. Who knows if we have a vig or if they will listen to me. But I'd rather shoot in the block than shoot terribly wrong

[Andante]

VOTE: sheepsaysmeep

also, curious is definitely town, so no don't go there tomorrow thanks. just get sheepsaysmeep tomorrow, that slot is scum

[Flavor Leaf]

FL I think my worldview is currently growing kinda different from urs lol sorry

how much is based on stuff ive read so far / are there any main posts I should direct attention to

Eh, just for the record, I started Day 2 with a hard town read on Andante, and specifically think Vibe/Emotion reads on Andante shouldn't be trusted.

I have a really large case, but it's almost better if you read as much as you wanna read, and then check out my pov.

Specifically the best reason Andante is scum is for how the end of the day wagon on Kitty with, and that with all the supplementary reasons indicates Andante is always scum here, imo.

[Flavor Leaf]

when ppl say andante ATE is nai, is that the specific definition as a self-defense tactic, or is that general emotion

im feeling her overall emotions so far to be real, like genuine investment in her reads, genuinely wanting to see the changes in the game that she wants etc

does the meta say anything about that

I would say this applies to ScumAndante too, though. It's a personality thing. Goes both ways for the people trying to defend with just that.

The Meta reasons I'm pushing on Andante is the waffle bus, then the "Aaaaah Im scared" line, the VT claim, the calling me out on silly contradictions and saying I'm setting up misfades.

A lot of towns also naturally town read scumAndante because they're going off vibes, but Andante specifically stated they're strong at mirroring their town game too, which I believe. Their tone and vibes will be consistent no matter their alignment.

[Flavor Leaf]

Hu Tao went from 'not sure on Venmar' to 'this is the right play for the day' without having any sort of explanation for that trajectory. It's purely responsive imo.

That's a lie. I've always wanted venmar since yesterday.

Oh, my mistake.

What were the reasons?

@Hu Tao - I admitted the mistake, don't act like I'm misrepping.

I also asked for the reasons other than that claim shenanigan.

[Hu Tao]

Reasons are in the quotes

[Flavor Leaf]

Which of these are reasons? The 'setting up' of mis elims, off of one post here? Can you explain the other ones, because they seem like you're just asking questions about Venmar and 'seeming pretty scummy'. These were also pretty early Day 1, so want to see how your read has changed/evolved over, because I remember beginning of Day 2 you weren't as sold here, so odd you're acting like it's been there since Day 1. I'm sure some of it would have.

Spoiler:

Also the more I read back on Hu and Andante I feel like one has to be scum and one has to be town

Posts like this ping me as setting up one after the other votes

I think Ceph and Hu might be scum together, those skygazer votes stink hard

So you think as scum I'd try to get vote off town in your scenario to another town? Cause you said me and adante can't be scum together already

Definitely not the fact that this day has gone on for an eternity and you and Hu (the person you kept telling me to te) are trying to pointlessly derail to skygazer atm, or am i the clown rn

I'm confused. Do you think adante is town or scum. Cause you stated that you think one of us is scum and you're voting her yet still posting that you think I'm scum with Ceph [which is hilarious btw]

If people want a Venmar wagon I'm more than happy to do that. Actually would prefer that. Venmar's posting defense or Sky seems like scum defending a Townie for no reason. He hasn't given a good reason for the defense either. But I could be overthinking. Thoughts?

I'm a sucker for AtE. I don't want Ceph. I think their spouse would be able to tell of they are faking it. Unless they are scum together but I don't think Dragons is scum.

I think sky is still the best vote and I think Venmar has been quite scummy in the last few pages

I think Ceph and Hu might be scum together, those skygazer votes stink hard

This post in particular seems bad. Because he already stated 1 scum in me and adante and he's still voting adante and still pushing Ceph after this. Also I just think Ceph and my interactions from even early game should show we likely aren't aligned but that's my bias opinion from me knowing I'm town I guess.

I'm a sucker for AtE. I don't want Ceph. I think their spouse would be able to tell of they are faking it. Unless they are scum together but I don't think Dragons is scum.

I think sky is still the best vote and I think Venmar has been quite scummy in the last few pages

Would scum nonchalantly do the exact same thing she got wagoned for before?

Yeah I'm kinda seeing that. What's your thoughts on venmar?

VOTE: venmar

New train is leaving the station. All aboard

Vote Venmar then. I would prefer that over sky I think

I see no reason for this wagon on NJAC to have been dropped. Nothing has fundamentally changed about their play since it first formed, they remain fairly quiet and cautious in their play in a way I find believable in scum, and I don't think all that many people have particularly moved their read on the slot? That it was so close to working out and yet seems to have faded away seems suspicious to me, don't like it at all.

The vote on Skygazer isn't great either given that wagon has sort of popped up out of nowhere.

VOTE: NJAC

That vote isn't happening today. What do you think about venmar though?

I'm fine with sky but I still think venmar is scum

Flavor what are your thoughts on venmar

@flavor you saying you iso'd me and I never scumread venmar day 1 is a lie. Your posts keep getting more suspicious

[Flavor Leaf]

Also I'm not voting venmar at the moment cause i want to give them a 2nd look and I think we can solve way more things today.

you basically just went into the claim thing being bad after this, but it doesn't make sense for scum in that setup. I can see why a townie would push outing as bad, though, I just don't think it makes logical sense for Venmar scum to out there. It just doesn't effect scum in anyway if they were scum. It doesn't out anything because they would have already known NJAC's role.

[Flavor Leaf]

The hop on Venmar looks like scum trying to pounce on a townie that they perceived to be outing information, and the only reason that Hu Tao thought that Venmar was outing information with it is because they got information out of it.

This means if Hu Tao ends up being scum, both Venmar and NJAC are conf town unless we get some next level weird plays.

[Flavor Leaf]

The hop on Venmar looks like scum trying to pounce on a townie that they perceived to be outing information, and the only reason that Hu Tao thought that Venmar was outing information with it is because they got information out of it.

This means if Hu Tao ends up being scum, both Venmar and NJAC are conf town unless we get some next level weird plays.

this is a really weird loop because I can see townies seeing the outing of it and thinking similar to it too, but yeah.

[Flavor Leaf]

@Sheep - join Andante. I wanna see if CKD hammers like they say they would.

[curiouskarmadog]

@Sheep - join Andante. I wanna see if CKD hammers like they say they would.

LOL, dont like this peer pressure post. I said I would hammer if needed and I will. What was the purpose of this post?

that being said, if I were scum and Andante was also scum, I would also hammer at this point.

was checking this morning to see if it was needed.

[Flavor Leaf]

@Sheep - join Andante. I wanna see if CKD hammers like they say they would.

LOL, dont like this peer pressure post. I said I would hammer if needed and I will. What was the purpose of this post?

that being said, if I were scum and Andante was also scum, I would also hammer at this point.

was checking this morning to see if it was needed.

i think the purpose is stated in the quoted post.

[Flavor Leaf]

i just wanna see

[Flavor Leaf]

i have a retort of a question back to that

do you think i dont wanna see it? am i lying?

[Skygazer]

VOTE: andante

fineee

[Venmar]

I really don't like this goading of the vigilante. I don't know if it's all that AI....but it's bad firm in a way I can't articulate.

It's called shitposting by Hu tbh

Hu's quote wall about me is also great because it's clear their read on me likely hasn't evolved or grown in like 2000 pages. It's just blind pushing through shitposting.

[Andante]

VOTE: sheep

[NJAC]

@Andante:

Please answer 3118.

[Andante]

Hey everyone!

Can you please order these six players from the scummiest to the least scummy?

{Enchant, Venmar, GIF, Malcolm, Eira, Sky}

Eira/Sheep is scum yes

[NJAC]

And the other five?

[Andante]

enchant/gif probably town
sky town pr, and if not, sky is sucm
malcolm scum, but I'm more confident is sheep being scum
and idk anything venmar has done

[curiouskarmadog]

okay I am here. intend to hammer.

anybody want to say anything before I do?

[Andante]

also, curious is town, I'd rather yall not go auto yeet curious tomorrow, ty

[Andante]

Town needs to deal with FL/Gimli... there's a scum in there for sure, and they're just gonna derail town