TM 2023 | Open: PYP S_TM | Endgame

[Menalque]

jingle said the 6s thing is crap btw, on a statistical level, but I guess mith already kinda went into that, but THEN he said that 6s might be slightly higher than rand bc of the possibility of the scum gambiting and taking the same number

on the draft for datisi: (paraphrased) "I didn't care if you took 1 bc being early in the draft isn't great and you can't really work the mech side of things until the order is published and can try to work out what's a good pick considering the people who drafted early"

koba wants to know why you think he would care that much about the mechanics pre-game @dats

jingle also thinks Ali town from what he's managed to read, but koba is still thinking Ali scum, Ali you asked why, the reason is that they think your play is kinda aimless (tbf this is from yesterday evening idk if they read anything overnight while I was asleep), oh wait, I'm still reading the discord and now they think Ali looking a bit better but still worth watching bc of how e's playing around lld in any worlds where she's town

[Menalque]

@dats koba wants you to know that reading Ali is more of an energy thing related to if they look like they're solving or if they're manipulating

[Alisae]

Koba things aimlessness is a wolf trait for me?

[Menalque]

yea, I think so? they used a particular word but not sure if that goes against the rules so I don't wanna quote it even though it's not like a full sentence of anything

but that combined with a tendency to be actively manipulating when you are doing things seems to be what their measure for your scumgame is

[Menalque]

VOTE: marashu

[Alisae]

I’m pretty sure it should be fine considering you’re still paraphrasing.

As town I’m like the wind. My reads change a lot and I’m always trying to solve. My solving should be obv. Lld also mentioned I’m chaotic and if that’s true, I do think chaos is +town

As wolf I’m a lot more manipulative, but also rigid in my stances. I know what I want and I try to put a lot of energy into trying to get what I want. I prefer things to be a lot more orderly when I’m a wolf because those are the gamestates that are easier to control.

[Alisae]

If anything I would say as a wolf I can be predictable where as villager me is unpredictable

[Alisae]

What posts did I come across as aimless to Koba?

[Alisae]

Mena can u give me reads on cephrir, Bella, Mith, and lld?

[Alisae]

Oh another thing I like doing as a wolf is I like taking the path of least resistance

[Alisae]

Generally speaking when I rand wolf I’m the person willing to get their hands dirty

[Menalque]

What posts did I come across as aimless to Koba?

I'll ask but I think with relative confidence it would've been from within the first 15 pages or so

Mena can u give me reads on cephrir, Bella, Mith, and lld?

mith town
lld I have been told how to read/approach from team and am waiting to see if she does any of the things I was advised to look out for before providing read

I liked Bella from when I was reading interactions in the thread but looking at her in ISO to refresh my memory I'm more meh. I don't get the datisi take of "openly scum posting", I think don't have datisi nailed down yet in either direction but I don't think datisi has done anything even close to openly scum posting. I think klick being engaged with this game is also probably +town so I guess I'm sticking with my leantown there from earlier on balance

ceph has a really good scumgame and I have no idea what alignment he is based on what he's posted so far

[Alisae]

I think this is town!ceph because he is struggling which reminds me of warrior cats

[Alisae]

I can see a Bella-Ceph-Mith team though if I squint really hard

[Menalque]

how are you reading the other two anyway? and why lld town?

[Menalque]

also Ali when do you sleep lol

[Alisae]

I’m not putting my read on lld at this time

[Alisae]

also Ali when do you sleep lol

It’s 5am I stayed up cuz it’s what I do and also I was hoping I could talk to ya

[Alisae]

I think my current scumread of LLD is more to do with the volume and attitude of the numbers discussion more than with disagreeing over her conclusion (I don't currently have any reason to think she doesn't believe what she's been pushing about the scum-in-triple probability). It completely flooded the early game in a way that doesn't strike me as productive for town, where I can see plenty of benefit for scum to try to push on a particular group of players (potentially stifling other D1 discussion; and the argument about it has certainly had the effect of stifling my willingness to read through everything). I particularly don't care for the start of the argument with Ythan.

Like reading this, it seems like you think LLD's actions are something that could come from a wolf but I feel like if you're a wolf, it's pretty easy to want to push a read like this and hang onto it.
You could also be a villager and this is a valid concern. This is something I'm thinking about as well but I hoping I can get a clearer answer as to what's going on if I just let the game develop and just let LLD do what she wants to do.

This is my biggest worry regarding mith

[Menalque]

okay so just mith and Bella then?

also what do you see as scum for dats if ur serious there

also I will NOT BE POCKETED THIS GAME. no pockets. I don't like them they're scratchy and too warm

[Menalque]

I mean I kinda think that mith is exactly right there even if I'm reserving judgement on lld for a bit longer, and that's part of why I think he's town

[Alisae]

Bella is someone who I initially have down as town for the “can we get on with scumhunting” appeal. On a cursory view she’s fine but I can imagine myself wanting to revisit the player deeper into the day phase

[Menalque]

also koba doesn't know what you meant by "aimless"

[Alisae]

okay so just mith and Bella then?

also what do you see as scum for dats if ur serious there

also I will NOT BE POCKETED THIS GAME. no pockets. I don't like them they're scratchy and too warm

I just thought their tr one me is fake but I’m chillin cuz I introduced them into new information and meta and I wanna see what read they come out with on me after doing more research

[Alisae]

also koba doesn't know what you meant by "aimless"

It was what u said