TM 2023 | Open: PYP S_TM | Endgame

[Alisae]

Ari?

[Staeg]

VOTE: marashu

What's up with this btw? Bit of an odd spot in time to vote marashu, did something change between your last burst of posts after Maru's last sighting and here?

[Alisae]

A few of Ari's posts feel like red flags, but I want to discuss this with my team.

who are you talking about and which posts?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

LLD could be intentionally not posting though if they feel like they're a wolf in control of the gamestate.
One of the things she wanted me to take away from Election is that as a wolf, playing your hand reactively and not playing when you don't need to play and only playing it when you're in trouble and you need to move the thread in the direction you want it to go is quite a powerful strategy

oh yes b'y i'm in control of this game state

how can you legitimately believe this when 1) I posted all of yesterday when I said I wouldn't and 2) I'm attempting to detilt and bring the thread back to normal levels.

I'm reading along and trying to let things besides me exist because of anger.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

more importantly, Ali, this tinfoil hat theory you've got going on is never killing anyone in the top 4 given how many epople came out in support of not doing that today.

So voting Staeg is something you need to know is fruitless.

So I'm just going to ask you plainly. Is this a setup to find a reason to vote me by proxy without having to flip onto me day 1 with 0 trajectory?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Cause I'll tell you what

you want to pursue this theory, I'll "bus" Rad right here right now I could not give less of a fuck.

I still believe it's very likely there is a scum in the 6s given how things have played out, but if it means people's theories about me get cornered down and I can't have these crack pot "LLD is gambiting" theories going on, then let's just go for it.

If Rad's town, you listen to me tomorrow and we murder someone who actually might flip scum.

If Rad's scum tomorrow, I'll embrace sweet death for the sake of paranoia remvoval on the understanding my reads be listened to once I die.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

But we're not killing voting or running up anyone in the top 4 today, and attempts to accomplish this by making weird associative tells on day 1 in an unflipped game is anti-town behaviour

[Alisae]

LLD could be intentionally not posting though if they feel like they're a wolf in control of the gamestate.
One of the things she wanted me to take away from Election is that as a wolf, playing your hand reactively and not playing when you don't need to play and only playing it when you're in trouble and you need to move the thread in the direction you want it to go is quite a powerful strategy

oh yes b'y i'm in control of this game state

how can you legitimately believe this when 1) I posted all of yesterday when I said I wouldn't and 2) I'm attempting to detilt and bring the thread back to normal levels.

I'm reading along and trying to let things besides me exist because of anger.

I townread
Ceph
mith
Bella
Marashu
Imaginality
Ythan
Gimli

I am also townleaning Datisi because I think if Datisi is a wolf they're a bit more cooperative and right now I am getting feelings I got in the Micro I just played with them where I shitpushed them as a wolf and I suggested a massclaim and they told me your mech is stupid and doesn't tell me anything and they were masons with the mason who was informed of the same information I was informed.

That's a...stupidly long run on sentence...

But like that's like, 7 solid townreads
Datisi and Mena is pending, but I townlean Datisi.

ok so that's 9 town
who does that have me left with?

[Rad]

@LLD any reason you're super comfortable taking out #5 but definitely not one of the top 4?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

So go on, Ali. Make your choice.

If you want to pursue this theory, vote Rad and I'll ride that wave with you.

Otherwise, I'm real confused what you're trying to accomplish here unless this is some kind of attempt to pivot onto me because you think I'm killable today (I am, I very much am and am seeing a lot of lines where I just die today)

But you're currently stated as someone who is standing in the way of that and suddenly swapping would look weird so we're not going to have this whole excuse.

If you vote me, and I flip town Ali, you die tomorrow.

[Rad]

I townread
Ceph
mith
Bella

Marashu

Wait wait wait... you townread marashu? How? Why?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

@LLD any reason you're super comfortable taking out #5 but definitely not one of the top 4?

There's an arbitrary cutoff line at some point. I think that around pick 5 your ability to say "I will pick this powerful ability and get it" diminishes a lot, and it doesn't tell that much.

Personally, I'd still prefer to kill a 6 today. It's not changed.

But this is... let's say this is me calling Alisae's bluff and being fully willing to followthough.

[Rad]

@LLD any reason you're super comfortable taking out #5 but definitely not one of the top 4?

There's an arbitrary cutoff line at some point. I think that around pick 5 your ability to say "I will pick this powerful ability and get it" diminishes a lot, and it doesn't tell that much.

Personally, I'd still prefer to kill a 6 today. It's not changed.

But this is... let's say this is me calling Alisae's bluff and being fully willing to followthough.

I guess my problem is your arbitrary cutoff point (agree, it's arbitrary) goes from DO NOT TOUCH THESE PLAYERS to FUCK THIS GUY instantly. I'd kinda expect a bit more of a slow drop off between #4 and #5 ya know? Like... "I really don't want to murder #5 just in case they're town and got a good PR but ehhhh if I must to prove a point..."

[Lady Lambdadelta]

LLD could be intentionally not posting though if they feel like they're a wolf in control of the gamestate.
One of the things she wanted me to take away from Election is that as a wolf, playing your hand reactively and not playing when you don't need to play and only playing it when you're in trouble and you need to move the thread in the direction you want it to go is quite a powerful strategy

oh yes b'y i'm in control of this game state

how can you legitimately believe this when 1) I posted all of yesterday when I said I wouldn't and 2) I'm attempting to detilt and bring the thread back to normal levels.

I'm reading along and trying to let things besides me exist because of anger.

I townread
Ceph
mith
Bella
Marashu
Imaginality
Ythan
Gimli

I am also townleaning Datisi because I think if Datisi is a wolf they're a bit more cooperative and right now I am getting feelings I got in the Micro I just played with them where I shitpushed them as a wolf and I suggested a massclaim and they told me your mech is stupid and doesn't tell me anything and they were masons with the mason who was informed of the same information I was informed.

That's a...stupidly long run on sentence...

But like that's like, 7 solid townreads
Datisi and Mena is pending, but I townlean Datisi.

ok so that's 9 town
who does that have me left with?

right

so you're casually trying to PoE solve the game with 0 flips because you're so confident you have 0 scum in those 9 town that you think you can just... do this?

Same thing as I said above, Ali.

If you vote me today, and I flip town, you need to die tomorrow.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

@LLD any reason you're super comfortable taking out #5 but definitely not one of the top 4?

There's an arbitrary cutoff line at some point. I think that around pick 5 your ability to say "I will pick this powerful ability and get it" diminishes a lot, and it doesn't tell that much.

Personally, I'd still prefer to kill a 6 today. It's not changed.

But this is... let's say this is me calling Alisae's bluff and being fully willing to followthough.

I guess my problem is your arbitrary cutoff point (agree, it's arbitrary) goes from DO NOT TOUCH THESE PLAYERS to FUCK THIS GUY instantly. I'd kinda expect a bit more of a slow drop off between #4 and #5 ya know? Like... "I really don't want to murder #5 just in case they're town and got a good PR but ehhhh if I must to prove a point..."

I really don't care. This conversation you're trying to have is, as I understand it, trying to save yourself or paint me to look worse but what you have to understand is that I would happily kill a 6 today.

I'm calling Alisae's bluff. That's the beginnign and end of this.

[Alisae]

If you vote me, and I flip town Ali, you die tomorrow.

I don't want to flip you. I actually want to be able to call you town confidentially as soon as I am able if you're town. If anything you're like, null.

Accusing you is not something I take lightly. You're the type of player where if you're wolf, you're playing to some kind of gameplan and there will be pieces that support that gameplan somehow. In a sense, to accuse you I feel like I have to flip the chessboard around. I have to see what I feel like you would see and I have to identify your strategy, all of the pieces. If you're mafia, what's your gameplan and your strategy? I need to be able to identify these things to confidentially call you mafia.

It's really draining to accuse you otherwise.
I want you to tell me who the mafia is. Do you think Rad is likely to be mafia?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Infact, let me change happily to "enthusiastically" kill a 6 today.

But I have very little thread control, I'm at the bottom of read lists and I'm essentially LHF this game but I still trust my reads and my alignment more than yours so if I'm going to corner Alisae, and she's trying to kill a top 4 which is STRICTLY WRONG then I'll happily kill you instead and see if she wants to take that.

[Rad]

@LLD any reason you're super comfortable taking out #5 but definitely not one of the top 4?

There's an arbitrary cutoff line at some point. I think that around pick 5 your ability to say "I will pick this powerful ability and get it" diminishes a lot, and it doesn't tell that much.

Personally, I'd still prefer to kill a 6 today. It's not changed.

But this is... let's say this is me calling Alisae's bluff and being fully willing to followthough.

I guess my problem is your arbitrary cutoff point (agree, it's arbitrary) goes from DO NOT TOUCH THESE PLAYERS to FUCK THIS GUY instantly. I'd kinda expect a bit more of a slow drop off between #4 and #5 ya know? Like... "I really don't want to murder #5 just in case they're town and got a good PR but ehhhh if I must to prove a point..."

I really don't care. This conversation you're trying to have is, as I understand it, trying to save yourself or paint me to look worse but what you have to understand is that I would happily kill a 6 today.

I'm calling Alisae's bluff. That's the beginnign and end of this.

Yes I would like to save myself, please, thank you.

Let's arbitrarily move the line and say flipping the top 5 is a shit idea and we should start at #6 if we're trying to prove LLD/Rad isn't paired.

[Alisae]

I townread
Ceph
mith
Bella

Marashu

Wait wait wait... you townread marashu? How? Why?

Alisae could be town (have we been in a game where I was town?

This is more likely to come from a villager than a wolf.
It's not much of anything but it's a start?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

If you vote me, and I flip town Ali, you die tomorrow.

I don't want to flip you. I actually want to be able to call you town confidentially as soon as I am able if you're town. If anything you're like, null.

Accusing you is not something I take lightly. You're the type of player where if you're wolf, you're playing to some kind of gameplan and there will be pieces that support that gameplan somehow. In a sense, to accuse you I feel like I have to flip the chessboard around. I have to see what I feel like you would see and I have to identify your strategy, all of the pieces. If you're mafia, what's your gameplan and your strategy? I need to be able to identify these things to confidentially call you mafia.

It's really draining to accuse you otherwise.
I want you to tell me who the mafia is. Do you think Rad is likely to be mafia?

yes and I'm trying to figure out if this is Election "let me post this thing that is chaotic and makes me look townie while advancing my objectives" alisae or Anything UPick "I'm going nuts with wild theories that end in me QUICK HAMMERING A FORMER TOWNREAD OF MINE" Alisae.

and calling your bluff is one way to see how this goes.

[Rad]

I townread
Ceph
mith
Bella

Marashu

Wait wait wait... you townread marashu? How? Why?

Alisae could be town (have we been in a game where I was town?

This is more likely to come from a villager than a wolf.
It's not much of anything but it's a start?

Yeah it's nothing. So null, not high confidence town

[Lady Lambdadelta]

@LLD any reason you're super comfortable taking out #5 but definitely not one of the top 4?

There's an arbitrary cutoff line at some point. I think that around pick 5 your ability to say "I will pick this powerful ability and get it" diminishes a lot, and it doesn't tell that much.

Personally, I'd still prefer to kill a 6 today. It's not changed.

But this is... let's say this is me calling Alisae's bluff and being fully willing to followthough.

I guess my problem is your arbitrary cutoff point (agree, it's arbitrary) goes from DO NOT TOUCH THESE PLAYERS to FUCK THIS GUY instantly. I'd kinda expect a bit more of a slow drop off between #4 and #5 ya know? Like... "I really don't want to murder #5 just in case they're town and got a good PR but ehhhh if I must to prove a point..."

I really don't care. This conversation you're trying to have is, as I understand it, trying to save yourself or paint me to look worse but what you have to understand is that I would happily kill a 6 today.

I'm calling Alisae's bluff. That's the beginnign and end of this.

Yes I would like to save myself, please, thank you.

Let's arbitrarily move the line and say flipping the top 5 is a shit idea and we should start at #6 if we're trying to prove LLD/Rad isn't paired.

hey congratulations you've learned self preservation

have you answered your own fucking question yet or do I need to continue to spell this out until the drumbeat in my head drives me mad again

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Readwise I think Rad's reaction to this is town, if only because it comes across as the townie panic when you think you're about to die and not the scum controlled removal of pressure/redirect/leaning on scumbuddies to make sure somehting doens't happen.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Personally I think Mith is being far to hands off in how he reads me. There's not a lot of confidence in there which admittedly years away can provide but there's just something inside me that screams "this is a player who is pushing me as their main choice to die today and is hedging their take on my slot the whole way.

They describe how my "Reaction" is bad but that's the second person in this game to vote me on a reaction and barely explain why it's bad. Ythan, at least, I believe sees something she doesn't like.

But I'm struggling with Mith.

So why are you townreading Mith, Ali?

Again, however Mith is top 4 so I'm not voting there today.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

anyway I'm gonna go use the bathroom and then get back to my majora's mask randomizer so I'm gonna disappear for a while, but if I had to GTH pick 3 scum....