Amnesiac Mafia: The Movie! That's a Wrap!

[Save The Dragons]

i am not trying to express a scumread of shea here, or really of drixx. im merely trying to figure out what's going on

[Titus]

{Titus, FA, Drixx, GIF} isn't ridiculous conceptually and fits both our worldviews PB
I'd probably say it's like 3/4 scum?

Putting forth me + Drixx is literally desperation.

[Thestatusquo]

shea is your team reading

sorry if i missed any but i don't recall a thought from your team

Yes they are reading. No I have not shared any of their thoughts because I fucking hate that part of team mafia.

[Titus]

I'm at Klick Dunn plus one of Drixx/FA/FB/GiF.

Everyone else has just felt pretty clear now no matter how I slice it.

[Thestatusquo]

I guess that's kind of unfair. I have shared their thoughts because their thoughts influence mine and I take them into account when I'm playing.

But I have not and I will not be attributing individual thoughts to individual players on my team. I tried to make my team make a group policy that we would all do this at the start of team mafia but they wouldn't agree to it.

[Klick]

i am not trying to express a scumread of shea here, or really of drixx. im merely trying to figure out what's going on

It's frustrating when you're just trying to answer a question and people take that as your primary point of view on the game

I don't think 'bus Klick' is a strong motivating factor for the hypothetical Klick scumteam in this position

[Pink Ball]

I don’t expect bussing in a game with too many confirmable roles

[Klick]

{Titus, FA, Drixx, GIF} isn't ridiculous conceptually and fits both our worldviews PB
I'd probably say it's like 3/4 scum?

Putting forth me + Drixx is literally desperation.

Why?

[Titus]

Shea, I really don't think FA is scum. Can you just talk me through my nagging concern?

I felt unsettled by FA telling me what my own words meant, how I had to use them, and how it was my responsibility to use language to make people reflect on everything in elo even if I was dead? I just had to knock her down for that. Part of me is paranoid that her objection to me saying locktown is psychological rather than concern over any of kuribo/ircher/pb/black being scum.

Still, she's much better than Drixx on my read list.

[Save The Dragons]

im gonna talk to my team about klick and tell people all about it but it might take some time so i might hold off on voting for a while

[Save The Dragons]

so give me 24 hours more

it has been a Jack Bauer since FA said this

[Titus]

so give me 24 hours more

it has been a Jack Bauer since FA said this

Just because I was forced to pull an all nighter and have a migraine does not mean it was the worst day of my life.

[Thestatusquo]

Shea, I really don't think FA is scum. Can you just talk me through my nagging concern?

I felt unsettled by FA telling me what my own words meant, how I had to use them, and how it was my responsibility to use language to make people reflect on everything in elo even if I was dead? I just had to knock her down for that. Part of me is paranoid that her objection to me saying locktown is psychological rather than concern over any of kuribo/ircher/pb/black being scum.

Still, she's much better than Drixx on my read list.

I got nothing on FA to be honest with you. I remember having pings in both directions but I don't really remember what those were. They're kind of in my blind spot.

[Firebringer]

StD is unvoting me? Unlucky me

[Firebringer]

I was asking Fire to go good cop/bad cop to get you to open up. When Fire didn't pick up on it, that's when I increased the aggression.

Titus i feel like u should know by now that i never pick up on your hints

[Titus]

I was asking Fire to go good cop/bad cop to get you to open up. When Fire didn't pick up on it, that's when I increased the aggression.

Titus i feel like u should know by now that i never pick up on your hints

True but my window for tricking scum!Black was small. I wasn't frustated with you specifically but the situation

[Firebringer]

anyways why am i in ur poe pile now

[GuyInFreezer]

FA seems like the type who hunts off of whoever is not townreading her. Kinda hard type for me to read. The only reason I have her as +town is because she was one of the more aggressive push towards DE, whenever she was here.

[Ircher]

Oh and there's also the chance that Black and PB are scum together. Assuming they are scum and they can get town roped today and get a kill through tonight, then Black can claim to have passed it along to someone who claims something else already and that gets a "mislim" tomorrow as well, and then another night kill ... I believe that would be LYLO, assuming 4 scum.

I'm pretty busy at work today ... would appreciate responses.

For what it's worth ... what Black and PB just did is the kind of play that appeals to me as scum. Make the town think I'm conftown (or very nearly so) and run the table.

Occam’s razor etc

Did you really just try to say "Occam's Razor" in response to me pointing out that it could be a (very good, if so) scum gambit? If we consider them conftown and then do what people naturally do and follow their lead, they literally get a free pass to LYLO from this claim.

Yes I said occam’s razor
Is it possible that it’s a scum gambit? Yes.
Is it likely that it’s a scum gambit? Hell no

this is actually a logical fallacy. You cant decide its likelihood from your perspective.

Think vice versa, if they/one of them are scum then its 100% a scum gambit of a sort
if they are town then they are telling the truth.

so without knowing their alignment you cant decide which is more likelier cause this is a conditional likelihood. you cant just assume people are telling the truth before applying occam's razor. that doesn't work like that.

Probability is the wrong concept to apply here. Occam's razor isn't so much about the likelihood as it is about the number of assumptions you have to make for an argument to work.

[Ircher]

I don't see why a theoretical scum!Klick chooses to repeatedly push a bunch of weak leads and then give up on them after getting predictably towny-looking content from each of them

Why are you supposing here that you would get "predictably towny-looking content"? If that's what you expected to have happen regardless, why make the push at all?

[T-Bone]

Spoiler: Scene 17 Again Again

The Movie

The camera opens to an elaborate stage set in the grand opera house, with a full orchestra warming up in the pit. The stage is set for a performance of La Traviata.

The lights dim and the curtain rises to reveal the stage set for the opening scene of the opera. The audience watches enraptured as the singers take their places and begin to perform.

Suddenly, the lights flicker and the music screeches to a halt. The audience gasps as they hear the sound of a gunshot.

From the wings, a group of armed men storm onto the stage, shouting and waving their guns. They make their way to the front of the stage where the lead soprano is standing frozen in fear.

One of the men steps forward and addresses the audience. It is the infamous gang leader, known only as "The Boss". He announces that he has taken over the opera house and demands a ransom for the safe release of the performers and the audience.

The audience is stunned into silence as they watch the drama unfolding before them. Suddenly, one of the performers, a mezzo-soprano, steps forward and begins to sing.

Her voice is clear and strong, and the music swells as she sings of hope and resistance in the face of adversity. The other performers and the audience join in, their voices blending together in a powerful chorus.

The Boss and his men are momentarily taken aback by the unexpected display of unity and defiance. But they quickly recover and aim their guns at the performers.

Just as the situation seems hopeless, the doors of the opera house burst open and a group of unlikely heroes charge in. Among them are the Detective, the Mechanic, and the Janitor from earlier in the movie.

They engage in a fierce battle with The Boss and his men, exchanging punches and gunfire. The audience and performers are caught in the crossfire, ducking and screaming for cover.

The battle rages on until finally, The Boss is defeated and the heroes emerge victorious. The performers and audience are safe, and the heroes take their final bow as the curtain falls.

The crowd erupts into thunderous applause, and the performers begin to sing once more, this time in celebration and triumph.

As the opera unfolds on stage, The Voice sits in a darkened control room, monitoring the situation through a bank of security cameras. With a satisfied smirk, they watch as the various characters play out their roles, completely oblivious to the danger that lurks just beyond the stage.

Suddenly, The Voice's phone rings, jolting them out of their reverie. They answer it, and a distorted voice on the other end informs them that there's been a breach in the perimeter. The Voice curses under their breath, realizing that one of their security systems must have been compromised.

Quickly, they jump into action, barking orders to their team of henchmen over the intercom. They scramble to fortify the building, setting up barricades and activating various traps and defenses to deter any intruders.

Despite the chaos, The Voice remains calm and focused, determined to protect their plans at all costs. As the opera reaches its climax, The Voice watches intently, knowing that the fate of their entire operation hangs in the balance.

Vote Count

Klick - 4

(Ircher, Titus, Thestatusquo, Black)

Titus - 4

(Drixx, Pink Ball, Klick, Dunnstral)

Thestatusquo - 1

(Firebringer)

Not Voting - 4

(Frozen Angel, GuyInFreezer, Kuribo, Save The Dragons)

With 13 Alive, It Takes 7 to Eliminate

Activity Check:

All good!

Deadline: (expired on 2023-05-05 21:00:00)

[Ircher]

Shea, you're right, this discussion about PB and Black makes me wanna yank my own teeth out of my face and swallow them

I am so not reading half that shit

Tf? I think it's an important conservation to read but ok

Fine I guess I'll read it at some point

Literally just glazes my eyes over and makes my brain feel smooth the more I read it though

I think you're fine to skip it for the most part.

[Ircher]

@FA from my point of view, Black is conftown. I am conftown from my perspective too lol. What I said is that is feasible that anyone else doesn’t conftown both of us, but I’d expect that at least people conftowned Black. Black would be town if I were scum too, there’s no way anyone really thinks this was coordinated

I shouldn't even really be conftown from your POV tbh. 95% town yeah, but I think we have to assume the role could have randomly found it's way back to me if I was scum

I still think that would be bastard.

I do agree with you, I just don't see how we can assume this game isn't a little bastard-y

Bastard means something very specific (or, rather, a couple things that are very specific.)

In order for a game to be allowed to run and be bastard those things have to be declared. This game has not been declared as bastard so it can't have bastard design or mechanics technically speaking.

I think I disagree with pinkball that this would be bastard though.

On which axis?

(see!? This is me trying to do mech are you proud of me yet?)

I agree with this. It is not lying to have "random assignment" result in the role going back to the target:

[Ircher]

In case my previous post isn't clear enough: I am of the opinion we treat those four as if they are town for today. I would encourage them all to give as much thoughts and reads as they can, for obvious reasons.

So in a world where they are off limits, the rest of the list is my current ordering.

I'm pretty happy with my Klick vote right now.

[Ircher]

Would people scumread drixx if the dayvig thing didn't happen

I didn't see the day vig thing, but I'm not town reading Drixx.