Amnesiac Mafia: The Movie! That's a Wrap!

[Frozen Angel]

popcorn GIF though

GIF was a commuter. They

also

claimed.

wait didn't they claim commuter day 1

or was that drixx?

[Dunnstral]

Drixx was commuter day 1, GiF was commuter day 2

[Dunnstral]

GiF claimed commuter on day 2 though, right after their day 1 claim. Which is where the confusion comes from, likely.

[Klick]

hmmm.

if black is less stupid than I am that does make targeting fb a little more likely than I was giving it credit for. Although maybe not because she did still put gif in the poe.

Still think the most likely thing is she targeted klick but if she did forget and target gif that would explain it being randed to fb as well.

I'm surprised that you think 'Black forgot about GIF's commute and targeted him' is plausible but 'Black targeted Firebringer' isn't.

[Frozen Angel]

There was no point for an early claim as it doesn't mess with watcher/tracker its just an extra explainable result anyway if those role even exists.

If a tracker targets you they are wasting their action

No, they are getting a result that confirms my claim and theirs. I made sure there was no escape from me claiming this role in day 2. I went on explaining how rare the role is how passive it is, how RB has no effect on it, how not important the role is in general, and I used literal words of the claim and explicitly said I claimed it on my first post of day 2 which doesn't have any other crum in it to be used for fake claims, so my claim would still be irrefutable

and some one else must be with the role today anyway so the existance of this role is not a mystery in a setup with roles that swap hands like this - wont stay a mystery forever.

so no the track wouldn't be wasted at all

[Klick]

We kinda also limmed the jailkeeper so that’s one less interference. I think role magically randomly on FB is kinda too coincidental so I think it’s safe to assume FB is town and got the role?

This!

People are talking about FB randing it as someone in the PoE like that's some particularly likely occurrence.

[Dunnstral]

It doesn't confirm your claim because mafia can also be seen targeting the night kill, even if they have that role as their fake claim

[Frozen Angel]

We kinda also limmed the jailkeeper so that’s one less interference. I think role magically randomly on FB is kinda too coincidental so I think it’s safe to assume FB is town and got the role?

This!

People are talking about FB randing it as someone in the PoE like that's some particularly likely occurrence.

If FB is town and got the role cause black targetted them, I still think the black night kill means scum were worried he would target a scum and they didn't want her to claim action.

So I think regardless of how FB got the role there is a scum in klick's POE

[Dunnstral]

We kinda also limmed the jailkeeper so that’s one less interference. I think role magically randomly on FB is kinda too coincidental so I think it’s safe to assume FB is town and got the role?

This!

People are talking about FB randing it as someone in the PoE like that's some particularly likely occurrence.

Well, see 4819

[Dunnstral]

I still think the black night kill means scum were worried he would target a scum and they didn't want her to claim action.

This I can get behind.

[Frozen Angel]

It doesn't confirm your claim because mafia can also be seen targeting the night kill, even if they have that role as their fake claim

The claim doesn't need to be confirmed with any investigation roles. The roles are being swapped hand to hand

only targets/actions need to be confirmed with investigation roles in this setup and they would understand why I was seen targeting even if it would not clear me.

So it doesn't waste the track itself. since track claim would be after me claiming, then it would confirm the tracker player did an action - hence they are town cause they could use the action they randed.

[Frozen Angel]

alright since gif is claimed I popcorn drixx

[Klick]

My claim cant be fixed its litteraly on that post in a pretty obvious manner already so I don't think I need to rush it

If it were obvious you wouldn't feel the need to slow roll it

[Frozen Angel]

My claim cant be fixed its litteraly on that post in a pretty obvious manner already so I don't think I need to rush it

If it were obvious you wouldn't feel the need to slow roll it

as I said its like that for people since its a rare role.

otherwise, I used the literal words of the role and explained how it is working in multiple posts during day 2 in regard with other actions.

[Thestatusquo]

hmmm.

if black is less stupid than I am that does make targeting fb a little more likely than I was giving it credit for. Although maybe not because she did still put gif in the poe.

Still think the most likely thing is she targeted klick but if she did forget and target gif that would explain it being randed to fb as well.

I'm surprised that you think 'Black forgot about GIF's commute and targeted him' is plausible but 'Black targeted Firebringer' isn't.

She literally put him in a list of players she was considering targeting. I think it is pretty clear at that point she HAD forgotten.

[Frozen Angel]

GIF as someone in POE why didnt you ask/hint town to not target you?

Also reading iso this interaction on day 2. This one just strikes me as interesting:

Also please don't use Demon Slayer as an example to dissuade mech.
That setup was at waaaaaaaaaay at the end of the spectrum.
We're not playing in a setup where we have 2 poisoners, 2 redirectors, a bus driver, and some sort of deathproof scum that can kill every town members.

Okay 'commuter'

Hey I stopped a nightkill, which was far better night actions than what most of the town did.

This was about the demon slayer game not this one

but still, I find it slightly weird that GIF had no reactions about "commuter" mention if that was their role in day 2.

[Frozen Angel]

where did gif claim commuter in day 2 itself that you would expect black to know about it?

[Dunnstral]

Anyway I’m p sure any sensible person has found out already so I’m gonna claim.

Yes I can confirm Drixx had a commuter role PM. He recognized the flavor as well so at least he’s not lying about having a commuter role PM.

Yes that means I have that role PM today. Idk why it made sense for Drixx to just go “ooh someone already confirmed my role!!!” this early but hey

And I

am

commuting tonight and no one can stop me (literally)

Bruuuuuh

[Frozen Angel]

oki ignore my last questions then, gif

[Klick]

Let's clear up mech a little here. Let's assume Firebringer is mafia and is in possession of the Caterer. The role does

not

need to specifically, coincidentally rand onto Firebringer. Any of Firebringer's teammates could have received the Caterer role, and then Firebringer can "switch" fake claims with that mafia player as a more advantageous player inside of the PoE. This increases the odds from 1/15 to hitting Firebringer to something like 4/15 of hitting Firebringer's team.


I'm not saying that this is what happened. I think the most likely explanation is that Firebringer simply received the Caterer normally, and 4/15 is still pretty low odds.

Yes this is fair and I was saying it yesterday

I agree that it's still rather unlikely

[Klick]

Popcorn Frozen Angel (hi!)

hi!

I claimed few posts above. I doubt you would miss that so this is wierd

I am reading these posts chronologically
I saw you in post preview

[Klick]

We kinda also limmed the jailkeeper so that’s one less interference. I think role magically randomly on FB is kinda too coincidental so I think it’s safe to assume FB is town and got the role?

This!

People are talking about FB randing it as someone in the PoE like that's some particularly likely occurrence.

If FB is town and got the role cause black targetted them, I still think the black night kill means scum were worried he would target a scum and they didn't want her to claim action.

So I think regardless of how FB got the role there is a scum in klick's POE

I think killing Black brings scum mechanical utility regardless of whether she's likely to get a guilty or an inno?

Like my immediate thought which I discussed last night was that they killed Black to stop her from confirming someone as town by being present to discuss who she targeted

Stopping a Cop check brings value whether or not it is likely to hit town or scum

[Klick]

I still think the black night kill means scum were worried he would target a scum and they didn't want her to claim action.

This I can get behind.

I disagree that this is conclusive, see above
Scum being in that PoE is still likely by play but not for those reasons and not more than any other particular configuration of 4 scum.

[Klick]

hmmm.

if black is less stupid than I am that does make targeting fb a little more likely than I was giving it credit for. Although maybe not because she did still put gif in the poe.

Still think the most likely thing is she targeted klick but if she did forget and target gif that would explain it being randed to fb as well.

I'm surprised that you think 'Black forgot about GIF's commute and targeted him' is plausible but 'Black targeted Firebringer' isn't.

She literally put him in a list of players she was considering targeting. I think it is pretty clear at that point she HAD forgotten.

Firebringer is also on this list

[Klick]

I think there are two somewhat reasonable possibilities

1 - Firebringer is town and was targeted
2- Firebringer is scum and him or one of his buddies randed the role, so they knew the Caterer hit scum