Amnesiac Mafia: The Movie! That's a Wrap!

[Save The Dragons]

Like I KNOW I'm town, so from my PoV you attacking the clears is attacking town clears when scum needs to attack town clears to expand the PoE. You're just not going to convince me that there isn't scum motivation for doing that.

Maybe you'll convince some other people but not me.

PB is not clear and neither are you

i think kuribo and ircher are pretty clear at this point but i'm naturally paranoid

[Save The Dragons]

I could possibly see PB not being town but that's a problem for later because I have 2 independent reasons to think he could be clear and I don't see any reason to explore that right now when the PoE is so small and certainly contains scum.

And the way you came into today it almost felt like you were putting out feelers for which conf town the rest of the town might be willing to consider limming.

why would town lim a "clear"

why would i try to see that if i were scum, wouldn't i know that's unlikely to happen? why not just try to slide onto someone in the POE

[Thestatusquo]

Indeed why would TOWN come into today trying to discredit all the clears.

It's an interesting question.

Because the game state doesn't get better for you if you're scum. If you're a scum group of 3 and all in the PoE and I clear someone else tonight then you're in a worse position tomorrow. If you're in a scum group of 4 the point makes a little more sense but if you don't succeed you have the same issue all over again and are possibly in a worse position if more clears happen. Fundamentally if scum are all in the PoE they lose this game unless they get a mislim today.

[Thestatusquo]

Should note that limming me today is the best possible outcome for scum group of 3 today because then there's no caterer clear tonight.

[Save The Dragons]

ok we don't have to lim you i don't think i suggested that i have a wide POE after all plenty of targets

[Save The Dragons]

what do you think happens if scum get a mislim on me today

[Thestatusquo]

I don't think you're a miselim but either the game ends of the scum have to deal with more clears tomorrow depending on the size of the team.

Personally I think it has to be 4 with this level of town ability to confirm themselves, so I think we will lose the game.

[Thestatusquo]

I'm gunna dip from the thread for a bit because I don't think we're saying anything new or worthwhile at this point and go play some rocket league. If you have more words you want to say at me I'll see them later.

[Save The Dragons]

have you stated who you think the team is

[Ircher]

what do you think happens if scum get a mislim on me today

The game ends.

[Pink Ball]

@Ircher and @FA if you had two votes...

@Ircher Drixx and StD in that order I assume by your posts?

[Ircher]

Yes.

[Ircher]

For clarity, my reads are:

Ircher, kuribo
Pink Ball
Thestatusquo
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GuyInFreezer, Dunnstral
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Frozen Angel
Save the Dragons
Drixx

[Pink Ball]

kuribo: STD/FA
GiF: Dunn/FA
PB: Drixx/STD
Dunn: GiF/Drixx
Shea: STD/Drixx (based on 5785)
Drixx: Dunn/GiF
StD: PB/FA
Ircher: Drixx/STD

[Frozen Angel]

1212 shea pushes FA without voting her and kind of explains what he's seeing
1219 FA says she's bothered by shea and klick
1221 shea backs off, helping to dismantle the pressure on her

not a smoking gun by any means but i could see it as a partnered reaction

I was not "bothered" I was "angry" and I had every right to be. It felt like shea commented on my post without even checking it cause 1/3rd of the post was conclusive results. but while klick was insisting on my analysis being baseless and soulless, shea stoped pushing it and actually argued klick against it.

like klick was 100% on the wrong there so was shea initially but then klick went at shea for some reason for a while too

for me, it still feels like shea was just commenting on my posts (maybe based on his impression of my earlier posts) without reading them. but shea is almost 100% on same alignment as kuribo and ircher with visionary caterer interaction so this is just a leading nowhere thaught process.

[Frozen Angel]

have they even meaningfully interacted with each other

give me a minute

Has FA meaningfully interacted with anyone?

what does this even mean? I have 260 posts filled with analysis and interactions whenever I could. I was less active day 2 and day 3 with that quick hammer happening but Its not like I flatline lurked the game

[Frozen Angel]

but why why would scum perform those actions

This is such a naive comeback.

If you're scum then you didn't perform the actions cause you didn't have the roles actually, you randed the actions and knew they exist but couldn't use them.

So a scum mind set knows how to fake claim a role but not the "target" which is why I was insisting to at least have mass claim of targets - and we can mass claim roles on later days in day 1. and I think this is what happened with your ircher vig shot. You clearly haven't been thinking about the catalyst aspect of the role before today, cause all you were focused on was claiming that you had the role (cause it was scum!you 's fake claim). but even if you were thinking about it for 2 sec you would have tried to get a town investigation to target a scum read of yours to shoot them which would confirm you as town and get a scum read killed in this setup.

but you shot ircher without considering you're a catalyst saying today you were expecting this scum read of yours o be targeted by a scum power role without even thinking why would a scum non protective power role target your scum read in first place.

you not analysing this before this day phase - specially since you had tracker and knew it exists in game - makes me think this is fitting on a scum mind set.

Furthermore, in last few pages you're dropping random allegations against almost everyone not you not lover basically saying the scum can be anyone else but is not me which is a panic argument at best. Now I agree town can panic too, but how you trying to make an associative between me and shea based on that lame argument to push your theory, it feels like panic "forging"/"reaching" not panic reaction which is scum panic.

[Frozen Angel]

kuribo: STD/FA
GiF: Dunn/FA
PB: Drixx/STD
Dunn: GiF/Drixx
Shea: STD/Drixx (based on 5785)
Drixx: Dunn/GiF
StD: PB/FA
Ircher: Drixx/STD

STD/{GIF/Dun} for me, but I dont know which of the two to go next

there is a scum there though cause if both are town that means the scum team is something like drixx, std ,PB or something

[Pink Ball]

kuribo: STD/FA
GiF: Dunn/FA
PB: Drixx/STD
Dunn: GiF/Drixx
Shea: STD/Drixx (based on 5785)
Drixx: Dunn/GiF
StD: PB/FA
Ircher: Drixx/STD
FA: STD/GiF

[GuyInFreezer]

Won’t be really here for next 2 days btw

[Save The Dragons]

but why why would scum perform those actions

This is such a naive comeback.

If you're scum then you didn't perform the actions cause you didn't have the roles actually, you randed the actions and knew they exist but couldn't use them.

So a scum mind set knows how to fake claim a role but not the "target" which is why I was insisting to at least have mass claim of targets - and we can mass claim roles on later days in day 1. and I think this is what happened with your ircher vig shot. You clearly haven't been thinking about the catalyst aspect of the role before today, cause all you were focused on was claiming that you had the role (cause it was scum!you 's fake claim). but even if you were thinking about it for 2 sec you would have tried to get a town investigation to target a scum read of yours to shoot them which would confirm you as town and get a scum read killed in this setup.

but you shot ircher without considering you're a catalyst saying today you were expecting this scum read of yours o be targeted by a scum power role without even thinking why would a scum non protective power role target your scum read in first place.

you not analysing this before this day phase - specially since you had tracker and knew it exists in game - makes me think this is fitting on a scum mind set.

Furthermore, in last few pages you're dropping random allegations against almost everyone not you not lover basically saying the scum can be anyone else but is not me which is a panic argument at best. Now I agree town can panic too, but how you trying to make an associative between me and shea based on that lame argument to push your theory, it feels like panic "forging"/"reaching" not panic reaction which is scum panic.

i like the strawman keep it up feel free to keep ignoring my question to do a complete and unprecedented 180 on me

[Save The Dragons]

i like how kuribo asked me to form an association with shea and FA and i get shat on by everyone for doing so

[Save The Dragons]

like it's pretty obvious scum is dunking on me at this point?

[Save The Dragons]

but noooooooo i'm the bad townie or oh noooooo i guess scum was too good

[Save The Dragons]

oh no he's complaining again

let's ignore the fact he spent hours of this game trying to argue in good faith with people