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Post Post #3650 (ISO) » Wed May 10, 2023 7:41 am

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I can't wait to find out!
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Post Post #3651 (ISO) » Wed May 10, 2023 7:42 am

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ok thanks i'll take a look when i get home

can you tell me what xou find scummy about my hood choices now?
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Post Post #3652 (ISO) » Wed May 10, 2023 7:42 am

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In post 3648, Ythan wrote: Strategically or incidentally?
Ydra is saying more incidental than strategic but I think every player except Koba likes to say their toxcicity is incidental because strategic admits to malice. and I also just think Ydra is nicer than I am in terms of these things. I think it's both. I think he funnels it.
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Post Post #3653 (ISO) » Wed May 10, 2023 7:44 am

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In post 3651, Datisi wrote: ok thanks i'll take a look when i get home

can you tell me what xou find scummy about my hood choices now?
i already told you

you picked the two lowest impact players in the game, mena after day 1 where mena only spoke through his team and ythan after day 2 when Ythan was more or less still checked out of the game.

I would never neighbour either of these people Ythan's motivation problems don't just go away when you do this (it seems like a pocket attempt if I see reasoning) and Mena was so far behind what would you have to talk about?
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Post Post #3654 (ISO) » Wed May 10, 2023 7:48 am

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i told you why i hooded mena (who was actually descently caught up on hood) and i would've expected you specifically to understand why i hooded ythan
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Post Post #3655 (ISO) » Wed May 10, 2023 7:48 am

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There is something about the choices that smells fishy but we can talk about that later you seem to have this under control for now~
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Post Post #3656 (ISO) » Wed May 10, 2023 7:50 am

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In post 3654, Datisi wrote: who was actually descently caught up on hood
Curious about this. Mena was caught up in the neighborhood but not in the game? Or am I misinterpreting here?
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Post Post #3657 (ISO) » Wed May 10, 2023 7:50 am

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In post 3654, Datisi wrote: i told you why i hooded mena (who was actually descently caught up on hood) and i would've expected you specifically to understand why i hooded ythan
okay now THAT is a weird comment

I'm not seeing a good reason at all why I should know specifically why you hooded ythan, but i'm also on painkillers so
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Post Post #3658 (ISO) » Wed May 10, 2023 7:51 am

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In post 3656, mith wrote:
In post 3654, Datisi wrote: who was actually descently caught up on hood
Curious about this. Mena was caught up in the neighborhood but not in the game? Or am I misinterpreting here?
yeah also, Mena apparently caught up in hood but was giving the same "talking only through my team" things in thread and you didn't thihnk to say anything?
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Post Post #3659 (ISO) » Wed May 10, 2023 7:52 am

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In post 3655, Ythan wrote: There is something about the choices that smells fishy but we can talk about that later you seem to have this under control for now~
aight bet

look, i'm relying on you and Mith today, tbh.

you me mith is my town core, Andante is my 4th but I know you have suspicions there.

We need to find our 5, today. Or convince scum to bus.
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Post Post #3660 (ISO) » Wed May 10, 2023 7:53 am

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Post Post #3661 (ISO) » Wed May 10, 2023 7:54 am

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we spoke about the game at some points throughout the day

i haven't been paying attention exactly how much was he caught up and what he was saying in thread, i can look later but at the time it didn't feel weird to me
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Post Post #3662 (ISO) » Wed May 10, 2023 8:00 am

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Has mena ever been disengaged enough to not know what's going on? They engaged a fair bit with the wagons day one afair
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Post Post #3663 (ISO) » Wed May 10, 2023 8:01 am

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On day 1 I literally engaged them to ask them to give me their own thoughts and not just Jingle and Koba's on the game.

They refused outright because they quote "had not read the game at all".

So... yes.
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Post Post #3664 (ISO) » Wed May 10, 2023 8:02 am

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Also, hi lld, talk to me not about me. You realise that if it's not you, from my pov it basically has to be alisae, who you wanted to vig n1? It would be great if you could try to engage with me.

P-edit mid? I noticed that a lot more from ythan.
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Post Post #3665 (ISO) » Wed May 10, 2023 8:03 am

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In post 3598, Lady Lambdadelta wrote: This angling they're doing on the remaining cast has no basis of thought behind it, she's saying things to say things and setting up to try and find an elimination she can accomplish today. She was angling on Andante but I just said I'll never do that so she's angling onto one of us and then just onto me if she can get you on board so she can box me out with Andante and not have to listen to my arguments from a town perspective.

Bella's reads make more sense as scum seeking a final elimination than as town trying to solve the game at this point
There is a ton of projection here. You saying you'll never do andante hasn't put me off, weirdly.
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Post Post #3666 (ISO) » Wed May 10, 2023 8:09 am

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@ythan, if we like wrong today, and mith is town, we get an extra shot at keeping the game where we were, in Melo.
If he's scum, we've lost anyway, basically. So it's overall pro town to keep the slot. It's just mech.
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Post Post #3667 (ISO) » Wed May 10, 2023 8:11 am

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What do you mean when you say that we've lost already if he's scum and we lim him today?
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Post Post #3668 (ISO) » Wed May 10, 2023 8:11 am

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Open question: Do Datisi and Mena gambit as scum and both pick 1?

[previewedit]I mean, I agree that not limming me is pro-town because I know I'm town, but "If he's scum, we've lost anyway" is weird. If you're town and think I'm scum, you lim me.

I would love to be able to argue that you shouldn't lim me even if you were 99% certain I was scum, but that's not how the math works.[/previewedit]
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Post Post #3669 (ISO) » Wed May 10, 2023 8:13 am

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well the idea that we are on 8, so we should always eliminate a non-mith today leaving mith the ability to save us with the vig if we kill a townie today by shooting a scum tonight is the idea i believe
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Post Post #3670 (ISO) » Wed May 10, 2023 8:14 am

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That part is fine it's the other part about if he's scum.
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Post Post #3671 (ISO) » Wed May 10, 2023 8:15 am

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Specifically, lld, I feel like the scum team are doing exactly what you are saying: looking for an easy lim. So...why wouldn't it worry you (or anyone) that suddenly the thread consensus is Bella's weirdly scummy? Like that didn't seem to be the vibe of the thread day one or two, but suddenly we have you, alisae, menna, andante slot, datisi, I think still ythan?

P-edit aren't we in Melo? Can I not count? If we lim him and he's town, sorry. I should've waited for bedtime.
Pp-edit yes.

If he's scum and we don't lim him he can kill twice? But I don't think we are in that world?
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Post Post #3672 (ISO) » Wed May 10, 2023 8:16 am

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Or are we assuming if he's scum he took another ability?
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Post Post #3673 (ISO) » Wed May 10, 2023 8:27 am

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[mathsaside]

If I were scum and had the vig, the extra shot isn't actually relevant (in the current gamestate). The reason it would be bad play (if you were that certain I was scum) is that town would be decreasing the chances of finding scum today (if leaving me alive) vs. tomorrow (if limming me, and then nolim to restore parity).

That's with no extra information of course (just a hypothetical setup where there are 3 Mafia, one having a one-shot vig, and 5 Townies). But I'm not going to speculate on what extra info we might have until massclaim finishes.

Since I'm town, limming me is just game over, whereas leaving me alive both improves our chances of hitting scum today (from 0 to 3/7) and gives us an out if we mislim. Our overall EV in the hypothetical no info setup would still be small (1/7) but obviously that's better than 0 (it's also quite a bit better than if I were just an IC with no vig, which is 1/35).
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Post Post #3674 (ISO) » Wed May 10, 2023 8:41 am

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jjh927 replaces Andante.

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