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[Doctor Drew]

@Mod:

V/LA for 30-ish hours from now.

Do we still have any claims outstanding? Don't think we've seen a flippy one.

@Alianna & Drew

To be honest I don't know what to make of the roles this game. I can't say it's something to rule out and I don't think a same-team watcher/watcher-enabler would count as bastard.

That said, there's been a trend for scum enablers to town PRs so it would be a bit of a stretch to suggest a scum watcher, in my opinion.

Again, we're missing claims so I feel pretty out of my depth when it comes to the massclaim.

I am saying that Alianna claiming watcher doesn't mean she is a watcher, especially after we just had a flip of watcher-enabler.

Post Edit: I don't want that to come off as I am dismissing it, one would assume there would be a watcher now.....but not gonna lock town her quite yet.

[biancospino]

@Mod:

V/LA for 30-ish hours from now.

Aknowledged.

[biancospino]

Votecount (unchanged)

VC 4-I

Not Voting (7):

Alianna, bristep123, Doctor Drew, Emperor flippyNips, redFF, Theta Alpine, Deltabreedy (912)

With 7 alive, it takes 4 for an execution.

Modnotes:

• The deadline is due in (expired on 2023-05-17 14:00:00).

[Alianna]

Flips

Mewtaph - Villager
The Bulge - Villager

Enchant - Werewolf Jailkeeper-Enabler Disloyal Unstoppable

Flavor Leaf - Village Multitasking JOAT (Tracker-Finder x2, Finder-Finder x2) - Doctor Drew not a tracker N1

Hu Tao - Werewolf Watcher-Enabler Ninja

KittyTacky - Informed Traffic Analyst (informed of Lazy modifier and Traitor) - Theta Alpine cannot communicate N1 - Deltabreedy cannot communicate N2

Claims

bristep123 - Villager
Emperor flippyNips - Unclaimed
Theta Alpine - Villager
Alianna - Watcher - Targets unclaimed - Role disabled D3
Doctor Drew - Odd-Night Informed-Finder, Even-Night Enabler-Finder - Flavor Leaf not informed N1 - KittyTacky not an enabler N2 - Alianna not informed N3
redFF - Jailkeeper - Jailed Deltabreedy N1 - Role disabled D2
Deltabreedy - Villager

[Alianna]

You fren

Quoting you to give you a notification, we're massclaiming and you're the last one.

[Doctor Drew]

Aliana, great work there.

Now Alianna, I am not too sure about.

[Alianna]

You've got it all mixed up! Alianna is town. Aliana, on the other hand, is practically lockscum and should be today's execution.

[Alianna]

It feels like you've reacted differently to my claim than to redFF's JK claim after the JK-enabler died. I don't recall you saying much about them, but it's like you're trying to emphasize that I shouldn't be treated as conftown. That's fine on its own, it's just that I don't think you've treated our slots the same way. Why is that?

[Doctor Drew]

It feels like you've reacted differently to my claim than to redFF's JK claim after the JK-enabler died. I don't recall you saying much about them, but it's like you're trying to emphasize that I shouldn't be treated as conftown. That's fine on its own, it's just that I don't think you've treated our slots the same way. Why is that?

That is fair, but a bit of recency bias I guess.

And that I checked you out last not and got the 'not an informed' message back, and just kinda focused on on you and your claim. Didn't really think about how my informed finder ability was probably to catch scum until after the flip on Hu.

But yes, Red should not get a free pass.

[Alianna]

Theta - Informed is part time of a role title, kittytacky was informed that’s how it was confirmed that we have a traitor. Stands to reason there may be an informed scum as well in that third slot but not for certain. Any rule speculation on whether any faction were inherently classed as informed would be moot, it’s specifically a role ability.

First off, I flip flopped my night abilities.....should be odd night informed finder, even night enabler finder. Hence finding out last Night that Alianna is not an informed role.

Second, I guess my role is possibly meant to find scum one night and possibly clear town another night? Thinking this because both scum have been enablers, and Kitty was informed.

So maybe it doesn't really clear Alianna as much as I first thought.

It feels like you've reacted differently to my claim than to redFF's JK claim after the JK-enabler died. I don't recall you saying much about them, but it's like you're trying to emphasize that I shouldn't be treated as conftown. That's fine on its own, it's just that I don't think you've treated our slots the same way. Why is that?

That is fair, but a bit of recency bias I guess.

And that I checked you out last not and got the 'not an informed' message back, and just kinda focused on on you and your claim. Didn't really think about how my informed finder ability was probably to catch scum until after the flip on Hu.

But yes, Red should not get a free pass.

I think you mean the other way around.

[redFF]

@Mod:

V/LA for 30-ish hours from now.

Do we still have any claims outstanding? Don't think we've seen a flippy one.

@Alianna & Drew

To be honest I don't know what to make of the roles this game. I can't say it's something to rule out and I don't think a same-team watcher/watcher-enabler would count as bastard.

That said, there's been a trend for scum enablers to town PRs so it would be a bit of a stretch to suggest a scum watcher, in my opinion.

Again, we're missing claims so I feel pretty out of my depth when it comes to the massclaim.

I am saying that Alianna claiming watcher doesn't mean she is a watcher, especially after we just had a flip of watcher-enabler.

i was thinking about this. I originally claimed cause i figured it would look bad me being a role enabled by scum, so i should claim asap. Def dont think having a pr enabled by scum makes u conftown.

[redFF]

Emp should claim tho

[Alianna]

To clarify, I'm not saying I should be conftown.

[Alianna]

Emp should claim tho

And yes.

[Doctor Drew]

Theta - Informed is part time of a role title, kittytacky was informed that’s how it was confirmed that we have a traitor. Stands to reason there may be an informed scum as well in that third slot but not for certain. Any rule speculation on whether any faction were inherently classed as informed would be moot, it’s specifically a role ability.

First off, I flip flopped my night abilities.....should be odd night informed finder, even night enabler finder. Hence finding out last Night that Alianna is not an informed role.

Second, I guess my role is possibly meant to find scum one night and possibly clear town another night? Thinking this because both scum have been enablers, and Kitty was informed.

So maybe it doesn't really clear Alianna as much as I first thought.

It feels like you've reacted differently to my claim than to redFF's JK claim after the JK-enabler died. I don't recall you saying much about them, but it's like you're trying to emphasize that I shouldn't be treated as conftown. That's fine on its own, it's just that I don't think you've treated our slots the same way. Why is that?

That is fair, but a bit of recency bias I guess.

And that I checked you out last not and got the 'not an informed' message back, and just kinda focused on on you and your claim. Didn't really think about how my informed finder ability was probably to catch scum until after the flip on Hu.

But yes, Red should not get a free pass.

I think you mean the other way around.

What do you mean?

[Alianna]

Post 917 implied that you thought the enabler-finder ability might be for catching scum (since both scum were enablers) and the informed-finder ability might be for clearing town (since Kitty was informed).

In 933, you said you thought the informed-finder was for catching scum. I assumed you meant to say enabler-finder since you referenced Hu Tao's flip.

[Alianna]

Am I wrong about one of those assumptions?

[Doctor Drew]

Post 917 implied that you thought the enabler-finder ability might be for catching scum (since both scum were enablers) and the informed-finder ability might be for clearing town (since Kitty was informed).
In 933, you said you thought the informed-finder was for catching scum. I assumed you meant to say enabler-finder since you referenced Hu Tao's flip.

Am I wrong about one of those assumptions?

Jesus H.

I wish I could tell you how many times I kept checking my role PM to know what action takes place what night.

And here I am still fucking it up.

[Doctor Drew]

I have a feeling Flippynips won't be claiming anytime soon

[Theta Alpine]

i kind of need them to claim though cause uh

there is something wrong right now and depending on what flippy claims that will change my approach to solving the game

[redFF]

Feel like emp->bristep ends it but it cant be that easy right?

[Theta Alpine]

with the information currently available

no that is not what i would suggest
but like i said i am really waiting for flippy to claim cause
aaaaaa i cannot really say more then just that something is currently wrong with the claims so far
i am not sure if flippy will resolve it or not

[Theta Alpine]

but to put things in perspective

if everyone except scum have claimed truthfully so far
then flippy is town
but i need flippy to claim and then i can confirm this

[Emperor flippyNips]

I’m a two shot tracker. I followed Dd night 1 and 2

[Theta Alpine]

hmmm okay then someone has not claimed their full role including modifiers

claim results then for both flippy and alianna and whoever did not fully claim their full role uh
please do