Mini Normal 2299 | Postgame [Village win]

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VC 4-II

Not Voting (7):

Alianna, bristep123, Doctor Drew, Emperor flippyNips, redFF, Theta Alpine, Deltabreedy (912)

With 7 alive, it takes 4 for an execution.

Modnotes:

• The deadline is due in (expired on 2023-05-17 14:00:00).
  
• Deltabreedy is V/LA today and part of tomorrow

[Emperor flippyNips]

N1 FL was targeted
N2 kittytacky was targeted

[Theta Alpine]

kitty has told us that there is a lazy modifier in play
which is a town modifier pretty much all of the time

none of the claims or flips have this
so someone did not tell the full truth about their role and oddly enough it was probably town that did it

i can actually probably assume who has it though at this point
and even though it would not be flippy i still think flippy is not the correct lim today
i think bristep is the correct elimination for today

[bristep123]

Ignoring the claims, if you think I led the charge on Hu Tao day 2 as scum then I don’t know what to tell you.

Right now I would verify delta and theta as town because I can’t see anything that would give the analyst a false result. Red and Alianna while their roles are not confirmed by the presence of an enabler (as there could be red herrings) the fact that they wouldn’t know that and made these claims at a point where they could be disputed by the real pr means it’s a real big risk for scum to fake claim like that.

Drew’s claim - would we have 2 finder roles? The existence of a finder-finder leads me to think yes, but since we have 4 claims one has to be fake so there must be a red herring out there. So it’s Flippy or Drew based on the above. I lean towards Flippy because they’ve done very little, and could have verified FL’s claim since they ‘tracked’ them on n1 but didn’t.

We need to hear from Alianna on their night results, but right now I urge the town to avoid the easy route of limming the only unverified villager claim (I.e me) because it gives you one less night to root out the scum.

[Theta Alpine]

flippy targeted doc drew both night one and two
they did not target flavor leaf night one
they saw drew target flavor leaf

[Theta Alpine]

at the moment from a game setup stance i believe the game is solved if the remaining wolves are bristep with delta or me as traitor
though i would have to say it is delta
though really who the traitor is does not matter if we get the last main wolf anyways

flippy being a tracker fills in the missing tracker from flavor leaf
drew i believe has the lazy role and did not mention it
last main wolf - bristep - i would guess is a tracker enabler and probably something else as well

leaving each of towns power roles either disableable or useless against a specific scum member

[bristep123]

Ah ok, I’ve misread that. Still puts them in the unverified side though, because Drew already revealed their targets. Confirms Drew though, either town flippy is truthing, or scum flippy is lying. That only leaves flippy as the one claimed role that could be reasonably disputed.

Theta, step away from the meta speculation, i was in on the Enchant wagon and immediately voted Hu Tao to get their wagon going. It makes no sense as scum to do that. You’re going to hand the game to scum, potentially that’s your intention though.

[Doctor Drew]

I was just gonna say Bristep, Tracker is an easy role to fake claim, and is a bit sus that Flippy would say he tracked me when I already outed who I visited. Whole lotta wifom going on here.

Also not sure if it is good to either confirm or deny Theta saying I am lazy.

[Theta Alpine]

in any situation

at this point i think the game is won for town if we lim through bristep and flippy in any order

i believe that bristep is actually the last wolf here so i would start there
but either way
i think town actually has it solved here

i will wait for alianna to claim their actions before voting though

i am unsure on whether the last main wolf is more likely to be tracker enabler or finder enabler but eh i will find out once the game is over

also
you going on enchant and hu tao is a bold move if scum
but not something i could not see happening
enchant was already lost when you voted them
hu tao i believe was an early bus to create distance
and then ended up being the lim anyways

[Alianna]

N1 - Doctor Drew (targeted by Emperor flippyNips and Flavor Leaf)
N2 - Flavor Leaf (targeted by no one - kill was made by the ninja)

[Theta Alpine]

VOTE: bristep

well there we go
it was a bold play i will say that

[bristep123]

It would be a totally wreckless move, especially to wagon a scum role that can’t be picked up by power roles. There’s something amiss here, one of the enabler or finder roles is a red herring and you need to establish which because if I do go I’m flipping town and you’re heading to lylo.

[bristep123]

You’re so keen to end the day quickly, avoid any further play to analyse tomorrow. You’re the traitor, I’ll put my hat on that now.

[Deltabreedy]

I still don't think that traitor is specifically within Theta and I - it's not mechanically confirmed is it?

I've disagreed with Theta a lot this game but I think that might be more playstyle than substance.

[Alianna]

Traitor is not confirmed to be within you and Theta. That’s just bristep’s read.

[bristep123]

Yep, just my take, assuming that the traitor wouldn’t also have a power role then from my perspective it can only be you or Theta.

[Theta Alpine]

with my understanding of the game state so far and my prediction for the full setup
i believe all of the claims to be more or less accurate and from town except for the current vanilla claims
the only non-vanilla claim that i have any doubt about is doctor drew
i believe they failed to claim that they have the lazy modifier as in my prediction for the full setup they should have it

with that in mind
me and delta are confirmed not group scum by kitty so one of us would have to be the traitor
and that would leave bristep to be the last group scum


if i am wrong about the full setup - that is to say if bristep does not flip scum - but correct that doctor drew has the lazy modifier as i believe in any case that they are the one that has that
then we should be looking between flippy | alianna | red for the final group scum

and in which case i would probably say it is flippy actually being a scum tracker as this creates the situation of both doctor drew and flavor leaf having two different finding abilities and more specifically
one for finding a town player and one for finding a scum player

anyways people can look over this and tell me what they think

[Doctor Drew]

Stupid question about traitors, they know who scum is but scum don't know who the traitors are, correct?

[Theta Alpine]

Stupid question about traitors, they know who scum is but scum don't know who the traitors are, correct?

in a normal game yes this is correct
unless one of the scum is also an informed role with the traitors identity though i do not know if that would be legal in normal games

[Doctor Drew]

N1 - Doctor Drew (targeted by Emperor flippyNips and Flavor Leaf)
N2 - Flavor Leaf (targeted by no one - kill was made by the ninja)

Did I miss that you were only 2-shot?

[Alianna]

Enabler.

[Doctor Drew]

Enabler.

Ahhh, ok Aliana

[Doctor Drew]

I mean, honestly I do like Theta's plan.

I kinda feel unless someone fake claimed well, we got this.

[Theta Alpine]

they got disabled when the watcher-enabler died

if i am correct at least
every town power role either had an enabler / limited number of shots / some other method of disabling its usefulness at some point before the game ended

red and alianna each having a scum enabler

flavor leaf and flippy only having two shots on each of their abilities

kitty losing effectiveness once there was only one group scum left and also just not being able to find the traitor in general
and you i believe having the lazy modifier and thus losing effectiveness when only one scum was left

[Theta Alpine]

i am honestly not sure anyone fake claimed a power role
someone obviously did not claim their full role but that person was almost certainly town so

my current top two game spec theories have either bristep being final group scum
or flippy being scum tracker - probably without limited shots but still

it is possible that one of red or alianna did a very bold move and claimed jailkeeper or watcher with heavy risk for a counterclaim but
i kind of doubt it and honestly i am fine with giving them the win for doing that in that case

really we are arguing for who the top two picks for group scum are cause that is the number of chances we get unless we somehow hit traitor in the process
i think it is bristep or flippy in that order
and i have not seen anyone except bristep argue otherwise except for swapping the order around