TM 2023 | Open: PYP S_TM | Endgame

[Bellaphant]

Radical and klick both agree that 9/10 jjh is just the lim here. If ythan is scum, I think she fakes a guilty on someone else (mith?? If mith is town). If mith is her scum buddy and they are both scum we're fucked anyway.

Rr says If town, probably datiai, If scum, alisea. I think klick had a similar thought.

[jjh927]

How does Ythan plausibly fake a guilty on mith after doing everything short of declaring a guilty on my slot for the previous part of the day

I think you're throwing in the towel a bit early on a Ythan/mith scumteam here. You're saying it's doomed but this mess can still be untangled without just following the prescribed path of the previous two days

[jjh927]

But yeah that's two separate things so probably best to unravel these one at a time

[jjh927]

Ythan had pretty clearly decided on a guilty on my slot today. Looking at the stuff from shortly before I replaced in the whole "shopping around" argument is kinda null in that sense.

If you're asking why they wouldn't guilty mith over my slot, I would basically just go with "mith is Ythan's scumbuddy" as the number 1 reason. The next reason would be that it doesn't particularly matter who gets guiltied here as long as they are town and people will believe it because the lim ends the game. That can be because mith scum, but could also be because scum have a jailkeep.

[jjh927]

On the morale issue, I don't see how a mith/ythan scumteam means we're fucked if you can potentially see it.

Like, don't get me wrong, this situation is definitely fucked. I don't think I've replaced into a worse situation before. Still winnable though

[Bellaphant]

Can you walk me through the guilty bit? I'm missing something?

[Bellaphant]

How does Ythan plausibly fake a guilty on mith after doing everything short of declaring a guilty on my slot for the previous part of the day

I think you're throwing in the towel a bit early on a Ythan/mith scumteam here. You're saying it's doomed but this mess can still be untangled without just following the prescribed path of the previous two days

The start here

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Vote: JJH

Shoot Datisi tonight in both cases frankly. I think Datisi is always scum here.

[jjh927]

I think a lot got confused by the weird thing with Ythan asking the thread who the guilty was gonna be on

The responses never mattered because it was extremely telegraphed on my slot at that point. It was always gonna be on me

[jjh927]

For the question "Why didn't Ythan guilty another slot", the answer is that mine was the most plausible slot to guilty and I'm pretty confident scum win with this mislim in some way or another

[jjh927]

Namely, there are 4 ways I can see in which scum win with a mislim here-

1. Scum!mith
2. Scum!datisi with scum!ythan that convince town!mith to shoot bulletproof ythan. Context on this was discussed but just to be 100% on the same page- Datisi has verified that Ythan is ascetic, therefore Ythan is not bulletproof unless Datisi is also scum.
3. Scum convince town!mith to shoot town
4. Scum have a jailkeeper that hasn't been claimed.

Scenarios 2 and 3 are intertwined in a particularly nasty way. We have LLD here calling for Datisi to be shot in the event of my townflip. If Datisi is town, that's game over. There is also the scenario where scum!Ythan picked the cop anyway for the ascetic, but the fact that scenario 2 is a possibility means that scum!LLD can divert attention to Datisi.

[mith]

Note to self that I have something to say about the most recent post, but I want everyone else to give their lim and shot answers first.

[jjh927]

Is your first question as written "Who is the lim today" or "Who do you want limmed"

[jjh927]

Ah what the hell I'll just answer every interpretation.

My preferred lim is Ythan

If it's on what we'd consolidate onto, then in addition to Ythan, right now I'd happily go for LLD and more hesitantly go for mith or menalque.
However, as Ythan has a result on LLD convention dictates that LLD should not be the lim. Convenient.

If it's a kinda redundant question on who the most likely lim is then that would be me


I think you should shoot LLD. Assuming that the lim is either me or Ythan you'll learn that Ythan's innocent on LLD is made up and I think shooting LLD has the best odds of making the game reach day 4.

[Datisi]

We're about 4 days from deadline at this point. In the next day or so I would like to hear from everyone regarding:

1. Who is the lim today? (Alisae, I would like you to answer this independent of your "doublevoter" status with LLD)
2. Who do I shoot tonight? (Contingent on the various flip possibilities)

assuming this is asking who i'd *want* to lim today

1. ythan - my actual preferred yeet is lld, but since she cannot be scum without ythan being scum, yknow
2. lld / jjh depending on the flip

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Am I remotely shocked that players on the scum team are focusing more on me than on the person that has to be scum for me to be scum, indicating their actual intent? No.

It's especially egregious from rhe player who is cross linked to Ythan

[Alisae]

ugggggggggggggh im heggin depressed

[Datisi]

*checks ythan's iso*

*she hasn't posted anything to "focus on" for god knows how long*

yes very cool

[Lady Lambdadelta]

*checks ythan's iso*

*she hasn't posted anything to "focus on" for god knows how long*

yes very cool

You have days of posts to look back on and make a case on.

You haven't done anything.

You are coasting on paranoia vibes.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

ugggggggggggggh im heggin depressed

Sorry to hear

[Alisae]

lld do u know who the third one is

[Lady Lambdadelta]

lld do u know who the third one is

Whichever one hesitates most to kill JJH I think.

Dats and JJH are both out and not even pretending anymore.

Lock stepped in.

So it's gonna come to it that the third one should and probably will resist.

It'll be that one.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

that or they'll deepwolf

it could be that dats and jjh are lock stepping because i'm not going to let dats go even if dats flips now and the third one is ducking because they think JJH will happen no matter what

if that's the case JJH will happen, Mith can shoot dats and we'll see where we stands at the end.

I'm fine if they want to deepwolf, personally. Makes my life a hell of a lot easier.

[Alisae]

i want a name

[Lady Lambdadelta]

right now my money's on Mena. I think Bella looks setup to be on JJH and looks town while doing it, I think you're town Ali and you're already here with me.

Mith being scum with that duo would be quite the twist, I admit. But if JJH flips scum and mith DOESN'T shoot dats, we'll have more concerns then.

So that just leaves me with Mena who admittedly is on vacation so I don't know what Mena plans to do.