Mini Normal 2299 | Postgame [Village win]

[Theta Alpine]

well
and i think alianna is the traitor but

Literally zero chance of this.

i mean from my perspective it has to be you or alianna and i think it is alianna

[Theta Alpine]

i think they are a watcher
and yes that means they are disabled by the watcher-enabler dying

but i think they are a traitor as well
just kind of makes sense mechanically

i think flippy being lazy and 2 shot is a result of review
they were always going to be lazy
review said that would still be too powerful so
two shots as well

that is
answers to the questions that have been directed my way i think

You are seriously just trying to justify the reads even you don't believe.

Mech speak as a defense of Flippy now?

i even said yesterday it would be smarter to elim flippy then and then move to bristep or whoever we deemed was final group scum today if the game continued
i was fully expecting to go in and elim flippy

the only reason i did not elim flippy today is because i just
legitimately do not see any reason lazy would be included on scum
in a traitor game especially

and also my assumption of you having lazy was what was keeping me from suspecting you yesterday

[Deltabreedy]

Theta can you quote for me the traitor crumbs?

[Theta Alpine]

on my phone so i will do a post tag instead

52
and to a lesser extent the self vote later on could potentially be another signal but that i do not like as much

alianna and drew also did the weird sort of defense of enchant on day 2

[Alianna]

i think they are a watcher
and yes that means they are disabled by the watcher-enabler dying

but i think they are a traitor as well
just kind of makes sense mechanically

i think flippy being lazy and 2 shot is a result of review
they were always going to be lazy
review said that would still be too powerful so
two shots as well

that is
answers to the questions that have been directed my way i think

You are seriously just trying to justify the reads even you don't believe.

Mech speak as a defense of Flippy now?

i even said yesterday it would be smarter to elim flippy then and then move to bristep or whoever we deemed was final group scum today if the game continued
i was fully expecting to go in and elim flippy

the only reason i did not elim flippy today is because i just
legitimately do not see any reason lazy would be included on scum
in a traitor game especially

and also my assumption of you having lazy was what was keeping me from suspecting you yesterday

What does this prove?

Doesn't really look like it. Quotes from start of yesterday:

but to put things in perspective

if everyone except scum have claimed truthfully so far
then flippy is town
but i need flippy to claim and then i can confirm this

kitty has told us that there is a lazy modifier in play
which is a town modifier pretty much all of the time

none of the claims or flips have this
so someone did not tell the full truth about their role and oddly enough it was probably town that did it

i can actually probably assume who has it though at this point
and even though it would not be flippy

i still think flippy is not the correct lim today

i think bristep is the correct elimination for today

at the moment from a game setup stance i believe the game is solved if the remaining wolves are bristep with delta or me as traitor
though i would have to say it is delta
though really who the traitor is does not matter if we get the last main wolf anyways

flippy being a tracker fills in the missing tracker from flavor leaf
drew i believe has the lazy role and did not mention it
last main wolf - bristep - i would guess is a tracker enabler and probably something else as well

leaving each of towns power roles either disableable or useless against a specific scum member
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You definitely went into it with bristep as your first choice and were only really considering flippy on the side. Even though you did put them in the pool later in the day, I don't see where you ever wanted or intended to execute them that day.
My guess is that you intended to pivot onto redFF today instead, but didn't predict them being killed.

[Alianna]

Oof, screwed up quoting. The last piece in purple is mine.

[Deltabreedy]

Quote those for me too please - I don't want to have to go searching for your argument.

Ninja'd:

So in this scenario for you Aliana, Theta is traitor and Emperor is Groupscum?

[Theta Alpine]

there is also the point of
existence of lazy was included in the information kitty had
i think to make flippys role more useful and serve as a conf for one person after one of our more powerful investigatives revealed and would get subsequently killed

[Alianna]

on my phone so i will do a post tag instead
52
and to a lesser extent the self vote later on could potentially be another signal but that i do not like as much

alianna and drew also did the weird sort of defense of enchant on day 2

I already explained why I posted the way I did about Enchant (829). I didn't want to out myself for no reason. I was not trying to defend Enchant.

[Alianna]

Quote those for me too please - I don't want to have to go searching for your argument.

Ninja'd:

So in this scenario for you Aliana, Theta is traitor and Emperor is Groupscum?

Yes.

[Doctor Drew]

only 2 wolves hmm

must be a 3rd party then as well

Nah, he probably just slipped that it's a traitor game.

'The game should have at least one Mafia or Werewolf group (of at least two members). In mini games (at most 13 players), there must be exactly one such group, with no third parties'

Quoted from the wiki on normal games.

Pre Edit: Shut your mouth Alianna

Lol.

[Theta Alpine]

989 and 990 are the two i was talking about

947 was with the assumption that flippy had lazy
then they did not claim it and i switched to conf towning drew for an assumption that they then had lazy

[Alianna]

989 and 990 are the two i was talking about

947 was with the assumption that flippy had lazy
then they did not claim it and i switched to conf towning drew for an assumption that they then had lazy

That could easily be you thinking you had a way to "confirm" your scumbuddy and then realizing you didn't (realizing feels like the wrong word since they had the modifier anyway, but you get what I mean).

[Theta Alpine]

and in the very back of my mind is the faint possibility that it might be flippy traitor with drew group scum

which would be hilarious but like
that is the only other situation we could be in for me

[Alianna]

989 and 990 are the two i was talking about

947 was with the assumption that flippy had lazy
then they did not claim it and i switched to conf towning drew for an assumption that they then had lazy

I think my point still stands here. 1201 says you would have preferred flippy over bristep, but 990 says the exact opposite.
This is a contradiction and a flat-out lie.

[Alianna]

and in the very back of my mind is the faint possibility that it might be flippy traitor with drew group scum

which would be hilarious but like
that is the only other situation we could be in for me

That would be hilarious.

[Deltabreedy]

I simultaneously love and hate being given the hammer at the death.

I actually did a vote for Emperor earlier which was interrupted by a P-edit.

Nothing is moving me from that at present. The AtE over anything else today and then Theta explaining it away for them just swayed it for me. Had yous left it I may well have simply voted for Aliana but it all just stinks. I've spent some time now trying to unwrap this thread ball of claims and results and actions and I think it's more likely for Emp to be scum than not.

I haven't quite figured out the claims. Does a lazy scum tracker make sense?

[Alianna]

I simultaneously love and hate being given the hammer at the death.

I actually did a vote for Emperor earlier which was interrupted by a P-edit.

Nothing is moving me from that at present. The AtE over anything else today and then Theta explaining it away for them just swayed it for me. Had yous left it I may well have simply voted for Aliana but it all just stinks. I've spent some time now trying to unwrap this thread ball of claims and results and actions and I think it's more likely for Emp to be scum than not.

I haven't quite figured out the claims. Does a lazy scum tracker make sense?

Like I've said in the past, I don't actually know that much about setup design. I know it's possible because Emperor has to be scum in my POV. I'm also not ruling out scum lazy tracker + something else.

[Alianna]

#VoteEmperor2023

[Theta Alpine]

well great now i am thinking about it and it would explain flippys defeatism earlier

unless that was just them wanting to get elimd not realizing it was lilo


ughhh why can we not just have a drew vote instead then it would not matter as much

[Deltabreedy]

It comes down to if a Scum Tracker with a Lazy modifier is possible.

I'm struggling to conceptualize what that would look like - when and how the lazy modifier would kick in.

[Theta Alpine]

I simultaneously love and hate being given the hammer at the death.

I actually did a vote for Emperor earlier which was interrupted by a P-edit.

Nothing is moving me from that at present. The AtE over anything else today and then Theta explaining it away for them just swayed it for me. Had yous left it I may well have simply voted for Aliana but it all just stinks. I've spent some time now trying to unwrap this thread ball of claims and results and actions and I think it's more likely for Emp to be scum than not.

I haven't quite figured out the claims. Does a lazy scum tracker make sense?

as much sense as it does in any content
that is to say little at all
lazy is almost always town exclusive

[Theta Alpine]

the only thing giving me a tiny bit of doubt is that the presence of the lazy modifier was informed

meaning it could be a red herring

but i do not think that is the case

[Alianna]

well great now i am thinking about it and it would explain flippys defeatism earlier

unless that was just them wanting to get elimd not realizing it was lilo


ughhh why can we not just have a drew vote instead then it would not matter as much

What, do you think I wouldn't be pushing flippy so hard if Drew was the counterwagon?

[Theta Alpine]

i think it is more likely that one of the enablers was a red herring then for the lazy modifier to be a red herring