i mean from my perspective it has to be you or alianna and i think it is alianna
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alter of rautherdir
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i even said yesterday it would be smarter to elim flippy then and then move to bristep or whoever we deemed was final group scum today if the game continuedIn post 1199, Doctor Drew wrote:
You are seriously just trying to justify the reads even you don't believe.In post 1197, Theta Alpine wrote: i think they are a watcher
and yes that means they are disabled by the watcher-enabler dying
but i think they are a traitor as well
just kind of makes sense mechanically
i think flippy being lazy and 2 shot is a result of review
they were always going to be lazy
review said that would still be too powerful so
two shots as well
that is
answers to the questions that have been directed my way i think
Mech speak as a defense of Flippy now?
i was fully expecting to go in and elim flippy
the only reason i did not elim flippy today is because i just
legitimately do not see any reason lazy would be included on scum
in a traitor game especially
and also my assumption of you having lazy was what was keeping me from suspecting you yesterdayalter of rautherdir
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Theta can you quote for me the traitor crumbs?Refer to me as 'Delta' or 'Tom'. Cheers! |'Black, if you're scum, I'll eat my shoe.'Never forget
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on my phone so i will do a post tag instead
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and to a lesser extent the self vote later on could potentially be another signal but that i do not like as much
alianna and drew also did the weird sort of defense of enchant on day 2alter of rautherdir
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In post 1201, Theta Alpine wrote:In post 1199, Doctor Drew wrote:
You are seriously just trying to justify the reads even you don't believe.In post 1197, Theta Alpine wrote: i think they are a watcher
and yes that means they are disabled by the watcher-enabler dying
but i think they are a traitor as well
just kind of makes sense mechanically
i think flippy being lazy and 2 shot is a result of review
they were always going to be lazy
review said that would still be too powerful so
two shots as well
that is
answers to the questions that have been directed my way i think
Mech speak as a defense of Flippy now?i even said yesterday it would be smarter to elim flippy then and then move to bristep or whoever we deemed was final group scum today if the game continued
i was fully expecting to go in and elim flippy
the only reason i did not elim flippy today is because i just
legitimately do not see any reason lazy would be included on scum
in a traitor game especially
and also my assumption of you having lazy was what was keeping me from suspecting you yesterdayWhat does this prove?
Doesn't really look like it. Quotes from start of yesterday:In post 947, Theta Alpine wrote: but to put things in perspective
if everyone except scum have claimed truthfully so far
then flippy is town
but i need flippy to claim and then i can confirm thisIn post 952, Theta Alpine wrote: kitty has told us that there is a lazy modifier in play
which is a town modifier pretty much all of the time
none of the claims or flips have this
so someone did not tell the full truth about their role and oddly enough it was probably town that did it
i can actually probably assume who has it though at this point
and even though it would not be flippyi still think flippy is not the correct lim today
i think bristep is the correct elimination for todayIn post 955, Theta Alpine wrote: at the moment from a game setup stance i believe the game is solved if the remaining wolves are bristep with delta or me as traitor
though i would have to say it is delta
though really who the traitor is does not matter if we get the last main wolf anyways
flippy being a tracker fills in the missing tracker from flavor leaf
drew i believe has the lazy role and did not mention it
last main wolf - bristep - i would guess is a tracker enabler and probably something else as well
leaving each of towns power roles either disableable or useless against a specific scum member
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You definitely went into it with bristep as your first choice and were only really considering flippy on the side. Even though you did put them in the pool later in the day, I don't see where you ever wanted or intended to execute them that day.
My guess is that you intended to pivot onto redFF today instead, but didn't predict them being killed.I townread Alianna.
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Oof, screwed up quoting. The last piece in purple is mine.I townread Alianna.
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Quote those for me too please - I don't want to have to go searching for your argument.
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So in this scenario for you Aliana, Theta is traitor and Emperor is Groupscum?Refer to me as 'Delta' or 'Tom'. Cheers! |'Black, if you're scum, I'll eat my shoe.'Never forget
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there is also the point of
existence of lazy was included in the information kitty had
i think to make flippys role more useful and serve as a conf for one person after one of our more powerful investigatives revealed and would get subsequently killedalter of rautherdir
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I already explained why I posted the way I did about Enchant (829). I didn't want to out myself for no reason. I was not trying to defend Enchant.In post 1203, Theta Alpine wrote: on my phone so i will do a post tag instead
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and to a lesser extent the self vote later on could potentially be another signal but that i do not like as much
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Yes.In post 1206, Deltabreedy wrote: Quote those for me too please - I don't want to have to go searching for your argument.
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So in this scenario for you Aliana, Theta is traitor and Emperor is Groupscum?I townread Alianna.
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Lol.In post 53, Doctor Drew wrote: 'The game should have at least one Mafia or Werewolf group (of at least two members). In mini games (at most 13 players), there must be exactly one such group, with no third parties'
Quoted from the wiki on normal games.
Pre Edit: Shut your mouth Alianna'dREW DID IT BETTER' - T-Bone
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989 and 990 are the two i was talking about
947 was with the assumption that flippy had lazy
then they did not claim it and i switched to conf towning drew for an assumption that they then had lazyalter of rautherdir
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That could easily be you thinking you had a way to "confirm" your scumbuddy and then realizing you didn't (realizing feels like the wrong word since they had the modifier anyway, but you get what I mean).In post 1211, Theta Alpine wrote: 989 and 990 are the two i was talking about
947 was with the assumption that flippy had lazy
then they did not claim it and i switched to conf towning drew for an assumption that they then had lazyI townread Alianna.
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and in the very back of my mind is the faint possibility that it might be flippy traitor with drew group scum
which would be hilarious but like
that is the only other situation we could be in for mealter of rautherdir
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In post 1211, Theta Alpine wrote:
947 was with the assumption that flippy had lazy
then they did not claim it and i switched to conf towning drew for an assumption that they then had lazyI townread Alianna.
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That would be hilarious.In post 1213, Theta Alpine wrote: and in the very back of my mind is the faint possibility that it might be flippy traitor with drew group scum
which would be hilarious but like
that is the only other situation we could be in for meI townread Alianna.
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I simultaneously love and hate being given the hammer at the death.
I actually did a vote for Emperor earlier which was interrupted by a P-edit.
Nothing is moving me from that at present. The AtE over anything else today and then Theta explaining it away for them just swayed it for me. Had yous left it I may well have simply voted for Aliana but it all just stinks. I've spent some time now trying to unwrap this thread ball of claims and results and actions and I think it's more likely for Emp to be scum than not.
I haven't quite figured out the claims. Does a lazy scum tracker make sense?Refer to me as 'Delta' or 'Tom'. Cheers! |'Black, if you're scum, I'll eat my shoe.'Never forget
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In post 1216, Deltabreedy wrote: I simultaneously love and hate being given the hammer at the death.
I actually did a vote for Emperor earlier which was interrupted by a P-edit.
Nothing is moving me from that at present. The AtE over anything else today and then Theta explaining it away for them just swayed it for me. Had yous left it I may well have simply voted for Aliana but it all just stinks. I've spent some time now trying to unwrap this thread ball of claims and results and actions and I think it's more likely for Emp to be scum than not.
I haven't quite figured out the claims. Does a lazy scum tracker make sense?Like I've said in the past, I don't actually know that much about setup design. I know it's possible because Emperor has to be scum in my POV. I'm also not ruling out scum lazy tracker + something else.I townread Alianna.
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well great now i am thinking about it and it would explain flippys defeatism earlier
unless that was just them wanting to get elimd not realizing it was lilo
ughhh why can we not just have a drew vote instead then it would not matter as muchalter of rautherdir
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It comes down to if a Scum Tracker with a Lazy modifier is possible.
I'm struggling to conceptualize what that would look like - when and how the lazy modifier would kick in.Refer to me as 'Delta' or 'Tom'. Cheers! |'Black, if you're scum, I'll eat my shoe.'Never forget
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as much sense as it does in any contentIn post 1216, Deltabreedy wrote: I simultaneously love and hate being given the hammer at the death.
I actually did a vote for Emperor earlier which was interrupted by a P-edit.
Nothing is moving me from that at present. The AtE over anything else today and then Theta explaining it away for them just swayed it for me. Had yous left it I may well have simply voted for Aliana but it all just stinks. I've spent some time now trying to unwrap this thread ball of claims and results and actions and I think it's more likely for Emp to be scum than not.
I haven't quite figured out the claims. Does a lazy scum tracker make sense?
that is to say little at all
lazy is almost always town exclusivealter of rautherdir
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the only thing giving me a tiny bit of doubt is that the presence of the lazy modifier was informed
meaning it could be a red herring
but i do not think that is the casealter of rautherdir
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What, do you think I wouldn't be pushing flippy so hard if Drew was the counterwagon?In post 1219, Theta Alpine wrote: well great now i am thinking about it and it would explain flippys defeatism earlier
unless that was just them wanting to get elimd not realizing it was lilo
ughhh why can we not just have a drew vote instead then it would not matter as muchI townread Alianna.
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i think it is more likely that one of the enablers was a red herring then for the lazy modifier to be a red herringalter of rautherdir
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and if you count large normal 204 then i won that game after replacing out as scum
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