Pokemon Battles 2 - Attack on Giratina [GAME OVER]
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SquirtleSquad He/HimGoonHe/Him
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I could summarize the first paragraph just by "you seem to have an agenda" if it makes it more easy to understand.When it retracts its long neck into its shell, it squirts out water with vigorous force.-
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A big example of the opportunism was the fight we had about the "only 5 scum reads" comment where you continually tried to paint me as simply being upset and hostile to you in order to ignore and minimize the point I was making. I wasn't mad, I was making a point that I still believe, and your response to it was essentially to be like "stop being so hostile bro" while ignoring the meat of my argument.When it retracts its long neck into its shell, it squirts out water with vigorous force.-
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but I ain't like trying to convince you that you're scum so like, I'm not super interested in having a protracted argument about this either.When it retracts its long neck into its shell, it squirts out water with vigorous force.-
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I'm too used to my usual way.In post 1632, Skygazer wrote:In post 1628, patchwork wrote: SHIT YOU GOT PAGETOP BEFORE ME
this button lets you combine a bunch of quotes which can help with the rapid fire catchup thing. i'm indifferent about thread clutter tbh but other people sometimes aren't lol-
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I don't think I've ever really expressed suspicion of you so I don't know where you get the impression I was being "opportunistic". I expressed displeasure with how you were interacting with the game but it wasn't a read on your alignment. (I don't really want to re-open old wounds here but felt it necessary to clarify. I would appreciate if we could play amicably even if you continue to believe I'm scum).In post 1825, SquirtleSquad wrote:
I don't like the directions you go in, I think the way you played around my slot has many times been extremely opportunistic. I think you tend to chime in during situations where I think it shifts thread momentum in a way I don't like. I think you've played to discredit or prop up slots at times where, if I were scum, I would also be inclined to do so.In post 1822, Blue. wrote:
Because...?In post 1819, SquirtleSquad wrote:
I think you're scum. I thought that should be obvious.In post 1816, Blue. wrote:
Yeah, I'm trying to pocket him because I want to work with him. I'm being pretty upfront about what I'm doing. In this game, you have to choose to trust people if you want to win, I'm opting to trust him, if he wants to say no he's free to do so.In post 1811, SquirtleSquad wrote:
noting that this post is doing exactly what it says it is wary of in exactly the situation it says it is wary of it.In post 1804, Blue. wrote: Ah, okay, that's good, was worried you were on full tilt. Would like to discuss your view of the game when you're feeling up for it and have a better grasp of things. I was kind of paranoid of you because you townread me when I was getting some heat, and I'm wary of pockets in a situation like that, but I'm willing to trust you now and want to work together.
What is your problem with me, exactly? I feel like I can't breathe without you throwing shade in my direction.
I think there isn't appetite to get you limmed right now and I don't feel super confident in knowing exactly what you were trying to accomplish with the aforementioned slots until I get some flips, and to preempt the question I'm not going to go pull quotes for you or anything, though I think I've called out a bunch in real time. (the shade you are referring to)
But I am cataloguing the things I see that I don't like as I go along.
Thanks though, I appreciate the answer. It clarifies a lot for me - really.-
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I don't think you really need an answer for this questionIn post 1823, SquirtleSquad wrote:
so if you're not saying people voting you are scummy what information do you glean from this?In post 1813, Pink Ball wrote:
People jumping on a town wagon. That's useful information to me and to everyone who will trust that I'm town in the not so distant futureIn post 1812, Firebringer wrote: what information are u gathering from ur own reaction?-
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I think you were testing the waters of a scum read multiple times and never got there because of thread politics.In post 1830, Blue. wrote:
I don't think I've ever really expressed suspicion of you so I don't know where you get the impression I was being "opportunistic". I expressed displeasure with how you were interacting with the game but it wasn't a read on your alignment. (I don't really want to re-open old wounds here but felt it necessary to clarify. I would appreciate if we could play amicably even if you continue to believe I'm scum).In post 1825, SquirtleSquad wrote:
I don't like the directions you go in, I think the way you played around my slot has many times been extremely opportunistic. I think you tend to chime in during situations where I think it shifts thread momentum in a way I don't like. I think you've played to discredit or prop up slots at times where, if I were scum, I would also be inclined to do so.In post 1822, Blue. wrote:
Because...?In post 1819, SquirtleSquad wrote:
I think you're scum. I thought that should be obvious.In post 1816, Blue. wrote:
Yeah, I'm trying to pocket him because I want to work with him. I'm being pretty upfront about what I'm doing. In this game, you have to choose to trust people if you want to win, I'm opting to trust him, if he wants to say no he's free to do so.In post 1811, SquirtleSquad wrote:
noting that this post is doing exactly what it says it is wary of in exactly the situation it says it is wary of it.In post 1804, Blue. wrote: Ah, okay, that's good, was worried you were on full tilt. Would like to discuss your view of the game when you're feeling up for it and have a better grasp of things. I was kind of paranoid of you because you townread me when I was getting some heat, and I'm wary of pockets in a situation like that, but I'm willing to trust you now and want to work together.
What is your problem with me, exactly? I feel like I can't breathe without you throwing shade in my direction.
I think there isn't appetite to get you limmed right now and I don't feel super confident in knowing exactly what you were trying to accomplish with the aforementioned slots until I get some flips, and to preempt the question I'm not going to go pull quotes for you or anything, though I think I've called out a bunch in real time. (the shade you are referring to)
But I am cataloguing the things I see that I don't like as I go along.
Thanks though, I appreciate the answer. It clarifies a lot for me - really.
The way you interacted with my slots at multiple points felt as if you were scum reading me but the fact that you never got there but also left me off your list of people you wouldn't vote for is something that has pinged me a lot. Basically you've directed a lot of negative attention towards my slot without actually committing to trying to push me.
You say you were trying to stop antagonism but I continue to reject that framing. Here is the post you claimed was antagonistic.
It's just simply not. You chose to say I was not fun at parties and a buzz kill because of this post. Which is simply just a normal mafia post.In post 276, SquirtleSquad wrote: I responded to his saying nope to my firebringer town read with what I thought was pretty good reasoning.
Even if he didn't agree with that, I was attempting to start a dialogue, I would expect a town player to be interested in using that hook to try to sort me, or at least to have some sort of interaction which was readable.
He responded by ignoring it completely and interaction with the fluff post directly above it to continue fluff posting. All the things he's said seem either contrived or actively unhelpful.
The antagonism debate, like it or not, is also a big part of my read on you because I thought and still think you were being completely unreasonable as was pointed out by multiple other players in the game at the time.
So since I don't really believe I was actually being antagonistic, I look for motivation for why you want to paint me that way and I get to the debate about "5 scum reads" and I see how you used what you were projecting my emotions to be as a way to minimize my thread impact and I think the conclusion draws itself.When it retracts its long neck into its shell, it squirts out water with vigorous force.-
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Is there a post restriction where people have to talk about 'thread politics' constantly?'dREW DID IT BETTER' - T-Bone
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Just like build an half-assed wagon with enough votes to matter and i’ll join it i guess.
If y’all can even manage that.Norwe is spontaneous, has a stream-of-consciouness posting style, usually posts on catch-ups by commenting on past pages posts, gets rather fired up in certain moments in games, is relatively as playful as me in games and likes casual shitposting
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there are two wagons right now.
how about you take some stances?When it retracts its long neck into its shell, it squirts out water with vigorous force.-
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people like to think mafia is a game about votes and wagons but it's not. Those things are primarily symptoms. Mafia is a game about power and thread momentum.In post 1834, Doctor Drew wrote: Is there a post restriction where people have to talk about 'thread politics' constantly?When it retracts its long neck into its shell, it squirts out water with vigorous force.-
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I got beat by the previous posts, so I'll just amend that I acknowledge 1826 and will again state that at no point in that interaction was I actively expressing a scumread of you
To be perfectly honest?In post 1833, SquirtleSquad wrote: I think you were testing the waters of a scum read multiple times and never got there because of thread politics.
The way you interacted with my slots at multiple points felt as if you were scum reading me but the fact that you never got there but also left me off your list of people you wouldn't vote for is something that has pinged me a lot. Basically you've directed a lot of negative attention towards my slot without actually committing to trying to push me.
I thought you might be town but left you off the list because your interaction with me made me feel bad and so I wouldn't care if you died. That's harsh but it's the truth, I'm not immune to feeling petty. I am a bit surprised people put so much weight on their non-inclusion on that list, although maybe I shouldn't be.
Some time later I began to wonder if you had actively manipulated me by guilt tripping me for expressing vaguely negative sentiment toward you. The whole thing left me feeling dirty.
This was partly why I questioned you. If there's a behavior that qualifies as "testing the waters of a scum read", surely taking potshots at me at every available opportunity must qualify as such. I couldn't fully understand where you were coming from with your read on me, so I asked you directly to see what your mindset was, because interrogating people directly about their reads on me is one of the best tools I have for determining. I think your explanation is plausible to me as a legitimate thought process. I mostly see where you're coming from now and understand it. I think your impression of me is misguided but genuine, and I clearly got off on the wrong foot with you, but I am hopeful this can be resolved in the future.
So, basically, I don't mind if you're paranoid of me.-
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Who do you feel like fading?In post 1840, Flavor Leaf wrote: I misfade Cakez this week already, I don’t really feel like doing it again-
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EBWOPIn post 1839, Blue. wrote: because interrogating people directly about their reads on me is one of the best tools I have for determiningtheir alignment.-
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In a completely out of game sense you should consider that your impact matters more than your intention and maybe when someone tells you something you've said is insulting to them, you should apologize and move on with your life. This goes double for if you see someone referring to something as insulting when it is said by someone else and you choose to pile on and double down on that insult.In post 1839, Blue. wrote: I got beat by the previous posts, so I'll just amend that I acknowledge 1826 and will again state that at no point in that interaction was I actively expressing a scumread of you
To be perfectly honest?In post 1833, SquirtleSquad wrote: I think you were testing the waters of a scum read multiple times and never got there because of thread politics.
The way you interacted with my slots at multiple points felt as if you were scum reading me but the fact that you never got there but also left me off your list of people you wouldn't vote for is something that has pinged me a lot. Basically you've directed a lot of negative attention towards my slot without actually committing to trying to push me.
I thought you might be town but left you off the list because your interaction with me made me feel bad and so I wouldn't care if you died. That's harsh but it's the truth, I'm not immune to feeling petty. I am a bit surprised people put so much weight on their non-inclusion on that list, although maybe I shouldn't be.
Some time later I began to wonder if you had actively manipulated me by guilt tripping me for expressing vaguely negative sentiment toward you. The whole thing left me feeling dirty.
This was partly why I questioned you. If there's a behavior that qualifies as "testing the waters of a scum read", surely taking potshots at me at every available opportunity must qualify as such. I couldn't fully understand where you were coming from with your read on me, so I asked you directly to see what your mindset was, because interrogating people directly about their reads on me is one of the best tools I have for determining. I think your explanation is plausible to me as a legitimate thought process. I mostly see where you're coming from now and understand it. I think your impression of me is misguided but genuine, and I clearly got off on the wrong foot with you, but I am hopeful this can be resolved in the future.
So, basically, I don't mind if you're paranoid of me.
That's the last I'll say about this except to discuss it in the sense of what I view as your thread manipulation.When it retracts its long neck into its shell, it squirts out water with vigorous force.-
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The fact that you seem like an otherwise reasonable human being makes me more suspicious of your slot not less.When it retracts its long neck into its shell, it squirts out water with vigorous force.-
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Also I am not testing the waters of a scum read, I have a scum read on you. I have expressed several times that I think you are scum.When it retracts its long neck into its shell, it squirts out water with vigorous force.-
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The same goes to you. The way you spoke to me feel incredibly uncomfortable. I understand and recognize you felt insulted by what I posted and I apologize for that, but it does not change the fact your response to this was hostile and painted everything I did as a personal affront, to the point I no longer felt comfortable interacting with you.In post 1843, SquirtleSquad wrote: In a completely out of game sense you should consider that your impact matters more than your intention and maybe when someone tells you something you've said is insulting to them, you should apologize and move on with your life. This goes double for if you see someone referring to something as insulting when it is said by someone else and you choose to pile on and double down on that insult.
It's clear that although the tone of this discussion is a lot more civil, I think the fundamental issue still remains, and I feel like you are taking away the space for me to interact with you as an equal in this game.
The distinction remains semantic at best when you're not fully committing to a case.In post 1845, SquirtleSquad wrote: Also I am not testing the waters of a scum read, I have a scum read on you. I have expressed several times that I think you are scum.-
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You still haven't apologized for insulting me and then when i got upset about it essentially going 'u mad bro lighten up'
Outside of some barbed words right after it happened i have not treated you differently than i would any other slot in this game.tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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nice slipShow"You are the Joker of mafia players" - Oversoul
"last time I was scum with Firebringer
his first post in the scum PT was "yes I rolled scum!"
I decided to post "haha just don't post that in the main thread", but to get up to date on the main thread first.
His first post in the main thread was "yes I rolled scum!" -popsofctown-
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Nah.
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I should get TOS 2 heh. I forgot about it releasing.
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