Pokemon Battles 2 - Attack on Giratina [GAME OVER]

[Black]

mala will get back to you in 3-5 business days

[$elene]

Patchwork has requested replacement

[Blue.]

I feel like we're going to talk until deadline here, have 200 pages of useless info that nobody wants to read, and then need to rush some wagon that might be ill-adviced.
And i've tried to encourage wagon-building but it's been shut down.

So who wants to vote Drew?

Some friendly advice: While I agree that the way things are going isn't great, idly complaining about it isn't likely to achieve much other than maybe annoying a few people. In order to get things done, you need to actively persuade people to join your wagon. Not just by going "who wants to vote Drew?" but by appealing to them directly, arguing your case, and trying to create some level of cohesion. Building a wagon takes work, they don't materialize magically.

I don't really agree with you on Drew, and I trust my own instincts above those of other players generally, so I'm not going to help you out with that, but I encourage you to try being a leader if you really care about getting things done.

I like Blue now

You like me for a post that is objectively completely NAI.

You have defended like half the slots in the game at this point. At some point, you have offered scum shelter and comfort.

I don't doubt my reads aren't perfect, because literally no one has perfect reads, but the majority of players in a game are going to be town, and so I'm going to end up defending most players. I don't think that's an incorrect way of playing at all. Town has a limited number of eliminations and if you can prevent them from being used on townies that's a good thing. I think I'm relatively good at identifying when a wagon is bad, and on Day 1 most wagons are going to be bad, because people are flailing about randomly. I'm not really that concerned if I'm townreading scum somewhere because nothing prevents that read from being re-evaluated down the line.

This is a good example of a Blue post that has contributed to my thus far ignoring the things I find scummy about him, i.e. tossing around defenses like candy, the "hostile" interactions, and treading into others' lines of questioning. The tone works well, it has a way of coming off as earnest. I am in the process of considering whether this player could simply be skilled at replicating tone, because their actions have largely said scum to me I don't ignore my gut.

Assume my scum range is infinite and that's why I'm alting (It's not, but for the purposes of this thought exercise I need you to pretend). Why do any of the things you listed work to further a scum win condition, especially defending a large number of players?

[Black]

You like me for a post that is objectively completely NAI.

I didn't say it gave me town vibes. I just like you for posting it

[Black]

Patchwork has requested replacement

[Skygazer]

Patchwork has requested replacement

same

[Blue.]

Game feels a bit cooked between the replacements and multiple people hitting prod range.

[$elene]

Prodding Klick and Magical Girl

(I totally was going to do this but forgot in the moment woops)

[Pink Ball]

That's the third player that hits the right spot. Blue, I didn't know were to place it, you're town now.

[Skygazer]

I think it's really funny that a hydra only has 5 more posts than squirtle's altslips in an 83 page game

granted i mean i can understand not being able to keep up w this.

[Chandra Nalaar]

This is a good example of a Blue post that has contributed to my thus far ignoring the things I find scummy about him, i.e. tossing around defenses like candy, the "hostile" interactions, and treading into others' lines of questioning. The tone works well, it has a way of coming off as earnest. I am in the process of considering whether this player could simply be skilled at replicating tone, because their actions have largely said scum to me I don't ignore my gut.

Assume my scum range is infinite and that's why I'm alting (It's not, but for the purposes of this thought exercise I need you to pretend). Why do any of the things you listed work to further a scum win condition, especially defending a large number of players?

Pocketing townies and being able to defend partners definitely further a scum win condition.

Answering questions for others prevents scumhunting.

[Pink Ball]

Ok if we're going to talk about activity, is time to go all in about it.

Lack of activity is not scummy, but pretending to be active is. Y'all have to understand how the game works in a big game like this: there will be scum trying to control the narrative of the game, sure, but they can't make their partners be better at it magically.

How much scum members will this game have? Let's assume 5 to 6 just for quick meassure. Let's say I'm scumreading FL. Do you think it's optimal to go after him during D1? In mafia you don't aim for the head with your first shot because you'll probably miss. You get closer and closer and aim for the limbs so the head is easier to shoot.

Who would be FL's partners that you could go for? Metens with their 7 posts? Sure, they could be, but it's a wild lucky guess. But the actual sweet spot is between the middle, players that would be happy being at the bottom of the postcount list but feel the pressure to not be there, and that are actually not contributing at all but just hanging around.

VOTE: KittyTacky

Good riddance, and see you at the endgame when I get to speak again after I get nightkilled for being right.

[Pink Ball]

Oh and I'll work on that case on myself so you can all learn how to actually scumread me

[Pink Ball]

Town:
STD
Cakez
Wheme probably?
Blue
Drew
Chandra
Klick
Patchwork
Squirtle
Norwee

Probably town:
Titus
Ranger

Unsorted and/or I don't care until later:
FB
FL
Not_Mafia
Metens
Magical Girl

Need to step up in my mind:
Invis
Sky

Scum:
Sheep
Black
Kitty

[Pink Ball]

That's for all of you to follow after I die!

[Blue.]

This is a good example of a Blue post that has contributed to my thus far ignoring the things I find scummy about him, i.e. tossing around defenses like candy, the "hostile" interactions, and treading into others' lines of questioning. The tone works well, it has a way of coming off as earnest. I am in the process of considering whether this player could simply be skilled at replicating tone, because their actions have largely said scum to me I don't ignore my gut.

Assume my scum range is infinite and that's why I'm alting (It's not, but for the purposes of this thought exercise I need you to pretend). Why do any of the things you listed work to further a scum win condition, especially defending a large number of players?

Pocketing townies and being able to defend partners definitely further a scum win condition.

Answering questions for others prevents scumhunting.

Do you think I'm posting like I'm trying to pocket people? Who do you think are my teammates I'm defending? Why can't I just have those reads as town? If you're going to make that accusation, get specific.


You realize you literally answered a question for me and made a joke about it, right? Not to go

tu quoque

on you, I recognize I might have butted in at times when it was poor form to do so, but that does not actually make me scum. Sometimes people do things that are unhelpful despite being town. Do you actually think that thing is a reliable indicator of finding mafia? Like, at all?

[NorwegianboyEE]

That's for all of you to follow after I die!

Can you explain why Black is a scumread?

[Firebringer]

mala will get back to you in 3-5 business days

i laughed

[Pink Ball]

Because she picked a shitty reason to jump on my wagon and if she was town this game she wouldn't be so sure about my alignment after Team Mafia

[Firebringer]

Unsorted and/or I don't care until later:
FB
FL
Not_Mafia
Metens
Magical Girl

interesting how i went to unsorted
i wonder if this is a town pinkie sign
hmhmmhmmm

[Firebringer]

im up for wagoning black actually

[Pink Ball]

Like, I've been scummy, no one's denying it. But she took the "oh I won't fall for this AtE again" train to look like she can actually justify a scumread on me when that's not true. I pointed out earlier that her being so understanding was weird and her reaction was "don't try to meta me, a lot of players have failed doing that" so I think she got worried that I would push her today.

I won't push her today, I don't care about her that much and my scumread on Kitty is bigger.

[Pink Ball]

Unsorted and/or I don't care until later:
FB
FL
Not_Mafia
Metens
Magical Girl

interesting how i went to unsorted
i wonder if this is a town pinkie sign
hmhmmhmmm

You're on the top of the unsorted but I respect your game too much to call you town right off the bat. Same with FL

[Firebringer]

I just checked and contingent on who blue is I think PB is the second best scum player in this PL.

But im in this game yo

[Firebringer]

You're on the top of the unsorted but I respect your game too much to call you town right off the bat. Same with FL

didn't u call me town in the early game though.