Pokemon Battles 2 - Attack on Giratina [GAME OVER]

[Firebringer]

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Squirtle town
Firebringer town
Norwee town
Chandra town
Klick town lean
Pink Ball town lean
Not mafia town lean
Patchwork little sus

I feel like StD would scumread me here. Highly sus

[Firebringer]

sheep is scum, 100% sure at this point

heavily disagree with this btw. Sheep is playing townie

[Pink Ball]

You're on the top of the unsorted but I respect your game too much to call you town right off the bat. Same with FL

didn't u call me town in the early game though.

I'm inclined to believe that you're town because you're not clogging the thread in an Ali game and because I think you don't actually think I'm scum, but you wanted to put pressure on me to see if my reaction was the classic town!Pink Ball reaction under pressure.

You're one of the players that I expect to know that early pressure on me used to shut me down so I can't fully call you town.

[Pink Ball]

sheep is scum, 100% sure at this point

heavily disagree with this btw. Sheep is playing townie

I can be wrong on sheep and I don't mind acknowledging it, I may be biased

[SquirtleSquad]

I just checked and contingent on who blue is I think PB is the second best scum player in this PL.

But im in this game yo

You're like 4th at best.

[Blue.]

im up for wagoning black actually

I think pressuring Black is a lot more likely to be revealing than a wagon on someone who is a typical Day 1 elim.


For a fun exercise, look through Black's ISO and try to tell me what she actually believes about this game.

[Pink Ball]

I'm up to wagon Black if one of you leads the wagon so she doesn't try to turn this into a 1v1 with me because honestly I won't give her the pleasure

[Chandra Nalaar]

This is a good example of a Blue post that has contributed to my thus far ignoring the things I find scummy about him, i.e. tossing around defenses like candy, the "hostile" interactions, and treading into others' lines of questioning. The tone works well, it has a way of coming off as earnest. I am in the process of considering whether this player could simply be skilled at replicating tone, because their actions have largely said scum to me I don't ignore my gut.

Assume my scum range is infinite and that's why I'm alting (It's not, but for the purposes of this thought exercise I need you to pretend). Why do any of the things you listed work to further a scum win condition, especially defending a large number of players?

Pocketing townies and being able to defend partners definitely further a scum win condition.

Answering questions for others prevents scumhunting.

Do you think I'm posting like I'm trying to pocket people? Who do you think are my teammates I'm defending? Why can't I just have those reads as town? If you're going to make that accusation, get specific.

Yes.

I don't have to solve it all at once - and I'm not even coming at you yet. When I am, you'll know.

If you're town, shut the hell up and let others scumhunt. Your constant defenses make sense from someone who believes they are perfect or someone who has complete knowledge of all players' alignments, and I don't think you're the former.

You realize you literally answered a question for me and made a joke about it, right? Not to go

tu quoque

on you, I recognize I might have butted in at times when it was poor form to do so, but that does not actually make me scum. Sometimes people do things that are unhelpful despite being town. Do you actually think that thing is a reliable indicator of finding mafia? Like, at all?

Yes I did that exactly once, because the question was dumb, while acknowledging that my action was mildly antitown.

I find this last question to be a veiled discredit and am choosing to ignore it.

[SquirtleSquad]

im up for wagoning black actually

I think pressuring Black is a lot more likely to be revealing than a wagon on someone who is a typical Day 1 elim.


For a fun exercise, look through Black's ISO and try to tell me what she actually believes about this game.

I seem to remember me and PB pushing her for exactly this in the just finished Team Mafia game.

The problem is we were scum and she was town.

[Firebringer]

I just checked and contingent on who blue is I think PB is the second best scum player in this PL.

But im in this game yo

You're like the ultimate scum player wouldn't be fair to compare you

so true

[Blue.]

This is a good example of a Blue post that has contributed to my thus far ignoring the things I find scummy about him, i.e. tossing around defenses like candy, the "hostile" interactions, and treading into others' lines of questioning. The tone works well, it has a way of coming off as earnest. I am in the process of considering whether this player could simply be skilled at replicating tone, because their actions have largely said scum to me I don't ignore my gut.

Assume my scum range is infinite and that's why I'm alting (It's not, but for the purposes of this thought exercise I need you to pretend). Why do any of the things you listed work to further a scum win condition, especially defending a large number of players?

Pocketing townies and being able to defend partners definitely further a scum win condition.

Answering questions for others prevents scumhunting.

Do you think I'm posting like I'm trying to pocket people? Who do you think are my teammates I'm defending? Why can't I just have those reads as town? If you're going to make that accusation, get specific.

Yes.

I don't have to solve it all at once - and I'm not even coming at you yet. When I am, you'll know.

If you're town, shut the hell up and let others scumhunt. Your constant defenses make sense from someone who believes they are perfect or someone who has complete knowledge of all players' alignments, and I don't think you're the former.

You realize you literally answered a question for me and made a joke about it, right? Not to go

tu quoque

on you, I recognize I might have butted in at times when it was poor form to do so, but that does not actually make me scum. Sometimes people do things that are unhelpful despite being town. Do you actually think that thing is a reliable indicator of finding mafia? Like, at all?

Yes I did that exactly once, because the question was dumb, while acknowledging that my action was mildly antitown.

I find this last question to be a veiled discredit and am choosing to ignore it.

I get that you're doing some kind of playstyle experiment, and I respect the spirit of that, but it's really brutally unpleasant to interact with. Telling me to "shut the hell up" for daring to speak opinions is a completely uncalled for level of hostility relative to what I have done. I have said I was wrong to interrupt people when they were questioning someone and will endeavor to interfere less in the future.

I'll continue to defend my townreads, because that's how I believe people should play the game. I think your reads are unlikely to be very accurate thus far, but it's possible you are seeing some things I have not. Best of luck.

[Blue.]

im up for wagoning black actually

I think pressuring Black is a lot more likely to be revealing than a wagon on someone who is a typical Day 1 elim.


For a fun exercise, look through Black's ISO and try to tell me what she actually believes about this game.

I seem to remember me and PB pushing her for exactly this in the just finished Team Mafia game.

The problem is we were scum and she was town.

Appreciate the perspective, I'll give it a look.

[Pink Ball]

I don't remember pushing Black because of that to be honest, I'll have to check that too

[Black]

im up for wagoning black actually

I think pressuring Black is a lot more likely to be revealing than a wagon on someone who is a typical Day 1 elim.


For a fun exercise, look through Black's ISO and try to tell me what she actually believes about this game.

I'm fine with pressure. I'm actually surprised you haven't voted me here considering you a) think I'm scum and b) think a wagon on me would productive

I don't think being slightly lost on D1 of a huge game is scummy though. I think I'm doing just fine actually. I have some townreads and scumreads and I'm assuming you know this since you pointed everyone to my ISO. I may not have that many or much conviction behind them but I'm doing the best I can

[Black]

if she was town this game she wouldn't be so sure about my alignment after Team Mafia

I'm not sure about your alignment

[Pink Ball]

Lol

[Pink Ball]

Your avatar looks broken to me, is it just me?

[Black]

I think it's just you?

[SquirtleSquad]

I think black frequently tends to look kind of directionless and unfocused as town.

[SquirtleSquad]

Seems to be a playstyle thing to me.

[Blue.]

Your avatar looks broken to me, is it just me?

It's not showing up for me either.

[Doctor Drew]

sheep is scum, 100% sure at this point

heavily disagree with this btw. Sheep is playing townie

I can be wrong on sheep and I don't mind acknowledging it, I may be biased

Why do you say you are biased?

[Pink Ball]

Why do you say you are biased?

I tend to scumread the kind of playstyle he's portraying

[Firebringer]

when is one of the elite 6 gonna lead the game for me.
i don't want to lead the game. i am here for shit posts and memes

[Firebringer]

the more i look at my pokemon the more i am not excited about pokemon battles.