BooneyToonz XVI: Boons Ahoy! - [END]

[Here There Be Dragons]

I think that TL's reads were most likely poor, since we had outed neighborhoods for him to work with.

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[Here There Be Dragons]

here's a late day 2 lead rist as I sense the day is ending soon

[Town]

Klick - Pretty much confirmed town, also towny mindset
Enchant - Unlikely to be scum, however late Day 2 posts are pretty much NAI
NorwegianboyEE - Thoughtstreaming town mindset still, obvious town
Peregrine - quite towny indeed actually
Firebringer - Even townier than early Day 2
Doctor Drew - Day 2 posts still good
frogs - Late Day 2 posts are good actually...
Kitty Trauma Team - I want to scumread here for the Enchant interaction but I want to townread here for the genuine emotion, no posts since the early D2 lead rist
Here There Be Dragons - Same upward trend in towniness, currently reading as null
Emperor flippyNips - Theta Alpine flip suggests emperor flippynips is scum, not much content and the Day 2 posts are strange, No posts since the early D2 lead rist
Ranger - Lockscum, scummy mindset and scummy explanation for claim

[Scum]

This person most likely targets Klick and flippy, no? They could go for me I guess, but that doesn't seem the most likely scenario with the Ranger flip in play.

I'm not seeing clear indications of what he could have done night 1. Frogs seems like a possibility, except that he arrived to Day 2 still calling Frogs scum which would be contradicted by what amounts to a result on them.

Of course, this player is ridiculous, so trying to divine their actions may be a fruitless endeavor.

[Here There Be Dragons]

I bet this is why my role has the specific restriction that it does.

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[Here There Be Dragons]

I don't think these nightkills make much sense if they were made by the consensus scumreads.

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[Here There Be Dragons]

I'd be pretty happy if I were scum!Dragons and town!Ranger was about to go through under the current logic

Who has an agenda and is controlling the narrative? I know my answer.

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[Here There Be Dragons]

So that must mean it's confirmed that scum shot Wheme and Mala hydra vigged Theta.

Actually... at first glance I agreed with this, but upon looking at Wheme's role again, it looks to me like the scum kill should have been disabled regardless of whether Wheme was killed directly or not? How do we know that this ability works on the factional kill again?

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[Here There Be Dragons]

If it does work on the mafia kill then I think the most likely explanation actually is that Wheme holstered for some reason

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[Here There Be Dragons]

Ah yes, obviously i must be the mafia.

We have potential PT Cop shot from Firebringer.
We claiming hoods.


That's not for discussion.

Wouldn't it be a shame if scum had a role that lets them explain this away? Such as, let's say, a neighborizer?

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[Here There Be Dragons]

If it does work on the mafia kill then I think the most likely explanation actually is that Wheme holstered for some reason

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Wheme USEd ability because Firebringer got disabled.

Yeah i just remembered.

Oh, right.

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[Here There Be Dragons]

So we have no inventions. Sick.

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[Here There Be Dragons]

VOTE: Klick

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[Here There Be Dragons]

I approve of klick vote. I'd also probably vote Dr Drew I think?

The start of d2 is a cluster fuck. Will try to read what I missed soon

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[Here There Be Dragons]

So we have no inventions. Sick.

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This is what I am kinda confused about, how are we getting clears from PTs with no inventions?

We're not

Ya i got Flippy's fruit

What did you do last night?

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[Here There Be Dragons]

...Also, how do you know whose fruit it is?

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[Here There Be Dragons]

cool that's super helpful thanks!!!!

[Here There Be Dragons]

Okay cool, frogs is like conf town to me now

Why?

I approve of klick vote. I'd also probably vote Dr Drew I think?

The start of d2 is a cluster fuck. Will try to read what I missed soon

~std

Why klick?

He's leading us to ruin. He is controlling the narrative and, imo, protecting scum in probably one of frogs/drew.

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[Here There Be Dragons]

How do people feel about here there be dragons?

their failure to deliver on their promise to vig you is not very poggers

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[Here There Be Dragons]

Hint: I did not read any words that were not there

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[Here There Be Dragons]

...you know, I only looked at the order of names, I didn't actually read it, and now I am remembering other posts.

VOTE: Frogs

[Here There Be Dragons]

Also I still think that Emperor is a good vote but!! I have the feeling I am missing something because no one has jumped on voting him despite his end of day hammer and if there is a reason I shouldn’t vote him, I would appreciate it being shared!

I do sort of agree, I'm just nervous about it - something feels off

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[Here There Be Dragons]

I should be on that list, you're just leaving me off because I don't like your pet townreads. =_=

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Dragons is there a fairly good reason flippyNips shouldn't full claim today?
(I am assuming from context that they have full claimed to you in hood but that could be wrong)

He hasn't. I would support a full claim from him.

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[Here There Be Dragons]

forever burdened by proficiency ;_;

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[Here There Be Dragons]

Well, on that we agree.

I'm happy assuming you're clear via TL until I have a reason to think otherwise.
I'm still pretty sure Peregrine is town. It's a little weird they're still alive, but eh.
Enchant is town.
I will begrudgingly townbin kitty for now.

And that only leaves a handful of options.

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[Here There Be Dragons]

It's a little weird they're still alive, but eh.

On further thought, no it isn't. I can explain this sequence of events.

And norwe is pretty likely town by firebringer's claimed action.

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[Here There Be Dragons]

It's page 4 can we not start trying to do meta

This is boring, someone do something zany

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be the change you want to see

Oooh, locktowning FB for now.

nonsense

Do we chop the heads off from Frog or Here there be Dragons then...

Why only those options

Need you even ask?

Is it cause their hydras why everyone hate hydras

Why not ranger mala or zoro

Why Ranger or Zoro?

They’re also slots with 0 content

Frogs has done fuck all, and bonus....they are a hydra!

interesting take from someone who has also done fuck all to this point... which drew my attention to the usefulness value of his posts going forward

Unless you assume my post about not voting a hydra was talking about frogs specifically which is understandable butits more so the fact that ppl just want to vote hydras cause they are hydras

Well before that you said you want to pressure low/no content people yet left Frogs off the list.

Was curious why, unless you are just deeply rooted in your protect all hydras belief lol.

But just seemed a bit odd to me, especially since you think it is because they are a hydra(I know I joke about it, but c'mon)

im just using this post as a standin for a bunch of posts more interested in talking about hydras than solving the game - dude is doing absolutely nothing to this point

Norwee didn't mention anything about content, and like I said Dragons has been fairly active.

You wanted to to push those lacking content.

Norwee literally had mentioned one of those(Frogs) in their post.

When I questioned you on why not Frogs, you turned it all about hydras......when Norwee had already said it was all about hydras.

And here we are.

'dragons has been fairly active' can be read a few different ways. one of them is 'dragons is not a mislim i can achieve easily'. and i kind of think this player might be weird enough to think he could get somewhere with this hydra joke. he certainly held onto it for something to make posts about longer than most of us

Theta, while I have you.

Can you elaborate a bit on Norwee? Maybe it is our shared desire to end all hydras, but what about their early play is that scummy?

user shows no followup indicating he actually cares about this question

Hero solve time?

Not the right time for you.

VOTE: Theta

Though it feels dirty knowing they aren't a hydra.

Why

You are new here, you will catch up.

Theta, you seem more calculated here than last game. You were definitely more stream of consciousness in Bianco's game.

i think it's interesting that a significant percentage of the few non contentless posts to this point are pointless interactions with theta

[Here There Be Dragons]

and theta's answer to 463 was his usual stack of waffles - probably shouldn't be satisfying

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[Here There Be Dragons]

Yeah Fire is town in this game.

Honestly, I have seen him do almost the same spiel as scum.

maybe the "locktown" on firebringer was a joke? but if it wasn't, this discredit of an agreement with his own position seems odd

I will say, liking Dragons more and more for town. Expect a signed certificate of towniness in the mail in the next few days or so.

The AtE from Theta is being layed on thick. I get it that Normal game had all of us saying WTF at the flip, but I find it hard to believe you are letting it affect you that much here.

Who said Wheme is scum hunting? Huh?

I really feel it in my gut TL is town, just feel like they are doing their thing despite the sentiment from a few that they are scum, don't see my acquiescing from them.

Frogs is confusing me, felt Cakez entrance was towny....but now...meh. And I Alisae says they don't care about the game at the moment, yet keeps posting.

Lastly for now, it isn't crazy to think that there is a good chance of scum being in your hood when there are multiple members. As someone said(dragons I believe?), it is a requirement but as Klick said(again I believe it was them), not a bad place to do a mini sorting.....of sorts.

That being said, the fact that Enchant is such a topic of discussion on D1 is lulz.

i guess my quote from theta responding to this didn't make it into my post, but they more or less say "you should know this is normal for me." i wonder if that statement from theta is actually true and this is coming from an informed perspective? not sure, i might be trying to fit my gut feeling into the facts here.

i have never been defensive and i have never omgus'ed TL

You literally got defensive when called out about Frogs, which caused TL to push you, which then caused you to call for more votes on TL all while trying to discredit their read on you.

Ranger inadvertently just did all the work posting links if you wanna go check it out again.

You can say I am wrong about you being scum, or that I am wrong about my read on TL. But you can't say you weren't defensive or did not launch an OMGUS attack on TL.

i thought this whole line of attack on wheme (which others made as well) was crap at the time, and i still think it's crap

the me and frogs thing made 0 sense and just affirmed my thoughts that Tl was scum hows that omgus when he was one of my top scumreads at the time

Ugh, reading through that again(the posts that Ranger linked), and not trying to be tunnely, I guess I can see this. I think I have been having a hard time seeing TL as scum, and your discrediting of them after they called you scum seemed odd to me. As did your vote on Frogs after all this, but again was probably too tunnely.

I would like this promised post you were gonna make for me last night though lol.

VOTE: Theta

I want to turn my attention back to them.

hmm.

the phrasing of "my attention" might indicate a disinterest in a real wagon forming here? it certainly doesnt provide anything someone else could grok.

Ranger have you explained why you scum read prudence

I scumread them so idrc but maybe for other ppl because I’m bad at explaining thing

I always feel like Furt is scum early game, but nothing I have really seen from them so far seems out of the ordinary or scummy.

Also Ranger, you really to to expand on your Wheme read, I don't see any of that from them.

Agree with you on Dragons, and a little bit of a lesser extent on Peregrine though.

let's play a game of Trajectory Time (tm)

What happens to this defensive stance towards Students?

VOTE: Students of Prudence

r u sure we can't kill cephrir today they're so obvscum

Why obv scum on Dragons? Or just on cephir?

And I can't lock Furt as scum until at least a day or two.

Sounds like he still wants to play with Students for a minute!

Frogs is confusing me, felt Cakez entrance was towny....but now...meh. And I Alisae says they don't care about the game at the moment, yet keeps posting.

this take in particular from drew was ????????
dunno what to do w/ it

Why the ????

Cakez entrance was a source of discussion, but felt towny in nature despite what others said, but there posting after that has made me scratch my head. You keep saying you are not interested in the game currently, yet are posting a lot and adding actual content.

In a vacuum I feel like

you have more of a chance of flipping scum between you and Prudence

, but I feel like the people voting you are more wolfy then those voting Prudence.

Which brings me to TL, initially was thinking this is the same ol town TL I have seen. But after looking at Wheme in a different light I kinda feel worse about TL, I believe I gave them too much town cred just because.

No one seems interested in Theta, but I would much prefer TL over the two current top wagons.....but will acquiesce if I have to so we don't get a no elim.

VOTE: TL

bolded - still not interested in students

Students has some posts i hate and Furtive feels more muted than i’d expect from them.
Not saying i think Furtive would be super active in their games nowadays, but somehow here it seems even less than that.

I kinda of have the opposite problem, I used to always kinda scum read them early, and then I started to less.....and of course then they were scum lol. And I definitely have so low activity Furt as town.

But I need to check something in their scum game I mentioned that just popped in my head.

still indicating this could be town furtive

Both of these quotes are from Fire and Ice, ended about a month ago.

As for all the furtive lore talk...I haven't had as much time for mafia lately, and going on a bad run might have lessened my interest as well.

But...I will have more time soon - I'm moving in the next few days.

They were scum here.

I will say Re: Furtive

Never played with them as scum, but always gut read them as scum early on. Have learned that this is kinda par for the course townFurt in my experiences with him.

Forgot I made this post in that game, noticed when searching for the Furt post I quoted. I feel my bias on Furt my have transferred over to this game.

i'm not sure this is persuading me as a reason to go from defense to vote.

Don't like TL's jump onto them, but fuck it.

VOTE: Students

E-1

and the vote even comes with a statement that serves two purposes, not committing too hard to believing in a students scumflip and offering himself an avenue to go onto TL when this goes sideways.

i think this is scum

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[Here There Be Dragons]

I’m a Novice Weak Fruit Vendor Superstar

was the thing you said about "super fruit" last night just meant to throw me off?

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[Here There Be Dragons]

I think flippy's town and that means Frogs is like 99% town as well

What's the connection?

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[Here There Be Dragons]

Still at work, but trying to follow when I can.

Kitty seems a bit performative and over the top, but I agree with them about TL, and if they are faking anger it did make me chuckle at work so that is points for me lol

Enchant is quickly becoming my top town read....is a phrase I never thought I would make.

Norwee, to help with your read on me,

I wanted Theta limmed

yesterday as well, so with your logic I am confTown as well, right?

yeah, but did you? that was the milquetoastest vote i've ever seen

Well I was in a neighborhood with theta. Not that that has to do with why they said I’m a town read. It wouldn’t make sense for them to sr me based off of our last game together (right before this one) and seeing how terrible I am at scum. I have a whole different vibe here which would make it hard for them to say I’m scum without me calling them put for it. DD was there too

Why are you looking at me to defend you?

there is certainly some evidence to support the idea that doctor drew is willing to defend others based on meta (see: glance, furtive)

Well I was in a neighborhood with theta. Not that that has to do with why they said I’m a town read. It wouldn’t make sense for them to sr me based off of our last game together (right before this one) and seeing how terrible I am at scum. I have a whole different vibe here which would make it hard for them to say I’m scum without me calling them put for it. DD was there too

Why are you looking at me to defend you?

I’m not, just a fact

This seems eerily similar to how Theta was using that game to defend their play in this game. Maybe I should look back at that game, but there isn't anything you have done here that says to me 'oh scum Flippy was wildly different'

i don't think flippy is a very likely partner here, could be wrong but

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[Here There Be Dragons]

I think flippy's town and that means Frogs is like 99% town as well

What's the connection?

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Flippy's Weak
Flippy targeted Frogs
Flippy didn't die

oh.

Dragons did flippy claim to you that they were targeting Frogs overnight?

no. he did ask that i not do anything to stop his action from going through when i threatened to vig him, which... makes sense now. i also see that he claimed this weak thing to me like half an hour ago and i didn't notice.

If we trust the setup info that's in front of us and assume flippy town, these are all town:

Klick
Frogs
NorwegianboyEE
Emperor flippyNips

Leaving:

Kitty Trauma Team
Here There Be Dragons
Enchant
NorwegianboyEE
Peregrine

you have norwe in here twice

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[Here There Be Dragons]

VOTE: doctor drew

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[Here There Be Dragons]

Kuribo, are you really saying that Wheme couldn't have protected who scum tried to NK(and that Theta couldn't have been the one to do the kill) and that your 'vig' shot is the only explanation for Theta's death?

not sure why you make this post if kitty is your partner, idk tho

Anytime I talked about my feelings about Theta, no one really commented about it, can lead a horse to water......

And yes, I hopped on wagons for people I thought were scum at the time, all while

really hoping someone would see what I saw in Theta.

And I only really was scum reading Flippy recently when, to me at least, they seemed to be using the same sort of defense of their play that Theta was using. And unlike you I feel Dragons to be town so felt like a good time to sheep said town read onto someone I feel is scum.

And frogs is definitely in my 'would vote for today' pool, but I don't really trust your scum radar so far(at least in regards to me and Dragons). That being said, if it were between say Dragons and Frogs I would go frogs. If that makes sense lol.

gosh i just hoped so hard someone would see what i saw that i did nothing to even explain what i saw besides some easily batted aside meta

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[Here There Be Dragons]

if anyone received fruit, please claim so now

Haven’t sent fruit yet. I only have one to send and thought I couldn’t send one on night one so I read my role wrong

i'm confused by this post - explain? because it seems like you in fact couldn't send one on night 1, and i haven't heard "1-shot" ?

I’m gonna give a frog some fruit

but this one is pretty clear.

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[Here There Be Dragons]

Hello!!! I do not want to be a worry wart but I do not know if I believe Emperor!! The most that I can gather about their claim is that it would more likely mean Frogs is town unless they are paired together but it feels like a convenience to me after what happened yesterday!!!!

interesting.

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[Here There Be Dragons]

we should probably massclaim tomorrow at the latest

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[Here There Be Dragons]

i wonder if frogs can jail someone they already jailed

i am not posting this to get an answer from them, just to scare scum about it & give them the idea

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[Here There Be Dragons]

i checked what a superstar is and apparently it is feasible they could not reveal their modifiers. this town does feel pretty op as claimed though.

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[Here There Be Dragons]

If we trust the setup info that's in front of us and assume flippy town, these are all town:

Klick
Frogs
NorwegianboyEE
Emperor flippyNips

Leaving:

Kitty Trauma Team
Here There Be Dragons
Enchant
NorwegianboyEE
Peregrine

Why Norwegianboy is in conftown?

Wait a second I think you're right that Norwee isn't confirmed.

We know that Wheme targeted Norwee because of FB's redirected action. We DON'T know that Norwee was the nightkill, I believe?

good point

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[Here There Be Dragons]

gunsmith, privateer, weak fruit vendor, jailkeeper, inventor, [my role] vs goon, roleblocker or something, rolecop or something + 3p role that might serve as a distraction or might not

hmm

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[Here There Be Dragons]

Me being confirmed or not shouldn’t matter imo.
If anyone seriously thinks i’m scum then i’d rather they talk about it now than later.

id have to reread to decide, i have legit no idea right now

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[Here There Be Dragons]

if anyone received fruit, please claim so now

Haven’t sent fruit yet. I only have one to send and thought I couldn’t send one on night one so I read my role wrong

i'm confused by this post - explain? because it seems like you in fact couldn't send one on night 1, and i haven't heard "1-shot" ?

I’m gonna give a frog some fruit

but this one is pretty clear.

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@flippy there's a question for you here

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[Here There Be Dragons]

i haven't felt this good about a case i made in a while, so it's tragic that it doesn't seem to be thrilling anyone

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[Here There Be Dragons]

The setup we've seen so far seems to invite the Swashbuckler. Perhaps even a mafia version? Since it's pretty strong, that could be how a 3-scum team makes sense.

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[Here There Be Dragons]

I could also see a mafia buccaneer, interdimensional traveler or disabler making sense, but it seems like we would know by now if the interdimensional traveler or disabler existed since they notify. Maybe someone is hiding this info though? Two of those three roles, if mafia, seem like logical reasons for my role to exist.

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[Here There Be Dragons]

If my ability works against the swashbuckler that could make sense too, but I feel like it probably doesn't work.

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[Here There Be Dragons]

...a mafia swashbuckler would also explain the multiple fruit vendors.

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[Here There Be Dragons]

I feel like this setup might be really elegant in many ways and then also there is a gunsmith for some reason.

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[Here There Be Dragons]

Yes - I received fruit Night 1 which no one has claimed.

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[Here There Be Dragons]

what a terrible post

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[Here There Be Dragons]

i will crawl into a mafia hole and mafia perish mafia forever if this is a miss

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[Here There Be Dragons]

I could have bet money you would say this

Then you probably should have written a better post

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[Here There Be Dragons]

You want to insist on positioning in the high ground to disguise the fact that you know you can't give honest answers. You're waffling on pushback.

Yeah this feels right

What are talking about?

I wanted to talk more before voting, but if you push me in a corner.....as you put it, I will stand my ground.

I have been honest all game, wtf man.

Pre Edit: Lol, If I want Mafia advice I will ask your hydra partner.

I am not doing anything to warrant the insults from you.

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[Here There Be Dragons]

okay i need some help, are there people who are actually cleared? i suck at mech especially when i'm half paying attention to it

i'm not sure i'm feeling dr. drew but i'm also not super confident about anything.

~std

[Here There Be Dragons]

i'm not sure i'm feeling dr. drew but i'm also not super confident about anything.

~std

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[Here There Be Dragons]

Klick isn't clear clear, but we're speculating that TL had info clearing him. I am definitely not interested in voting him today.
Frogs should only be able to be scum with Emperor due to the latter's Weak claim. Maybe there's another explanation but I can't think of one.

no one else is legit clear

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[Here There Be Dragons]

we are getting to a point where the POE is getting narrower but i'm having a hard time finding the scum. im having trouble suspecting anyone at this point.

what are people's thoughts on norwee

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[Here There Be Dragons]

i guess my problem is

everyone feels pretty town

except for like people i don't want to go for

and when i look back at norwee's iso, i'm more meh on it than i initially was

i'm not sure if i scumread them yet. but why do you think they are town?

~std

[Here There Be Dragons]

i guess my problem is

everyone feels pretty town

except for like people i don't want to go for

What are these people because i kinda have them too

like klick and frog but i don't think they're mafia i think i'm just bad this game

~STD

[Here There Be Dragons]

i guess my problem is

everyone feels pretty town

except for like people i don't want to go for

and when i look back at norwee's iso, i'm more meh on it than i initially was

i'm not sure if i scumread them yet. but why do you think they are town?

~std

Are you saying this because i’ve been inactive recently?

no it's based on content

~STD

[Here There Be Dragons]

Seems pretty convenient for you StD to be "oh actually i was meh on them all allng when looking back. Wopsie hehe"
Like you sure that’s not you taking advantage of my RL situation to be fake as fuck?

no it's still based on content

~STD

[Here There Be Dragons]

there's a lot more fluff in your iso than i remembered.

even a lot of your content posts seem less content to solve and more just to provide content.

~STD

[Here There Be Dragons]

I am eagerly awaiting more votes or a serious argument that we should do something other than what I want to do. Or we can just keep chilling with scum on 3 votes I guess.

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[Here There Be Dragons]

Do you and std even talk about your reads?

no

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[Here There Be Dragons]

We're a night 3 stickyfruit vendor

In a void, this role seems pretty close to worthless, even antitown. So I've been looking for a scum role that could explain it.

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[Here There Be Dragons]

If you're wondering what that is, fair. It asceticizes the target for the night, and they can pass it on in the future to do the same.

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[Here There Be Dragons]

@mod what is the interaction between Ascetic and Swashbuckler?

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[Here There Be Dragons]

I will eat my tail before I vote outside drew/Flippy today

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[Here There Be Dragons]

K I think that's probably why our role exists

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[Here There Be Dragons]

What if mala slot is the swashbuckler

Also I'm unclear on whether they can still track someone or not

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[Here There Be Dragons]

doesn't that narrow them down to like, everyone

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[Here There Be Dragons]

doesn't that narrow them down to like, everyone

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I don't think Enchant is scum rn by this criteria
You feel town from it
I think Frogs stasis is town-indicative, scum!Alisae likes to do things

fair enough. i already didn't think those people were likely scum but i'll take it

My theory for this a couple of days ago was that Peregrine is scum, fakeclaimed Ascetic, received fruit, and claimed to receive the fruit out of some sort of concern of whoever sent the fruit knowing their action went through

But it feels kind of crackpot out loud

yeah, i know this is a bias on my part because scum DO make mistakes, but i just feel, not impressed by theories that require peregrine to make a terrible decision

im, at this moment struggling mechanically to figure out where scum live since like. apparently they have at least 2 fruit vendors????? this doesn't seem to square with the power level they would need for this setup to work

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[Here There Be Dragons]

If Drew was town I don't think Dragons and myself would be the only two slots voting him.

thumbs up emoji.

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[Here There Be Dragons]

maybe they have a swashbuckler and some sort of ascetic bypassing double fruit vendor for some reason

i dunno man

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[Here There Be Dragons]

Welcome,

TemporalLich

, you are a self-aligned

Kraken

.

Spoiler:

Abilities:

• You are a Kraken! At night, you must target 2 players. You may target a recently deceased scum player. (If they were just executed).
• You are unkillable during the night and if you are ever faded, you will stay alive and have a Night Action the following night before retreating.
• You will leave the game at the beginning of Day 3.
• This is a

Variant

Role.

Win condition:

You win when you successfully target 2 players in Private Threads from different alignments before Day 3.

Game thread is here. . Confirm by replying to this PM with your role name.

You have to assume this has somewhere near a balanced chance of winning, right?
What kind of scum setup would make this balanced?

if we eliminate scum either day they pretty much automatically win, yes?

4 scum + this role is just cruel and unusual punishment right

i wonder if your neighborhood needs to be all town to create some sort of actual difficulty for a swashbuckler - if they just know who's in a pt from the outset then what part of that restriction is interesting?

(joke) role concept: scurvy dog - a modified swashbuckler that can only kill players who don't have fruit

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[Here There Be Dragons]

wheme flipping as a variant 100% confirms the boon role exists, right

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[Here There Be Dragons]

i don't think a scum archaeologist really does much of anything so i am pretty convinced i'm right on that aspect

-c

[Here There Be Dragons]

Can frogs be scum yet? Please?

VOTE: Flippy and if it's drew I'm not taking the blame for the L

-c

[Here There Be Dragons]

Yeah that would be great tia

-c

[Here There Be Dragons]

Ah yes of course. Our master plan of having both of us make up fruit vendors that don't exist is coming full circle

-c

[Here There Be Dragons]

In order for peregrine to be town the scumteam has to be one weird fruit vendor and one boon role (I am rejecting the idea that it can possibly not exist based on wording in mod posts)

Which more or less excludes anyone with a proven night action I believe

So really you shouldn't be pairing us, you should be asserting I'm one of the only possible scum in the peregrine town world

Worth noting simple doctor has nonzero use to the scumteam

Why are we clearing norwe again?

-c

[Here There Be Dragons]

Can frogs be scum yet? Please?

VOTE: Flippy and if it's drew I'm not taking the blame for the L

-c

My gut response when reading this is to feel like you have no feelings on whether Drew actually IS town or scum, but you're annoyed that he is now being considered less.

I feel like a viable response you could have made as town here would have been to have a quick skim through Drew's meta yourself and confirm whether what I was saying was true or not.

I feel like the response you've given, while still possible as town, is kind of the response you'd need to give as scum because you want to come back to Drew as an option later.

I'm annoyed because I want to be right but I think you're town and you have concluded that the meta says otherwise. I both want him to be scum and know that nothing is happening without your approval.

I've been pretty town recently, so if this is where you are, maybe you should just kill me.

-c

[Here There Be Dragons]

Mala has a 1-shot Tracker left
Flippy has Weak modifier

Okay not that busted but still we get quite a lot of info in theory

And there's also a jailkeeper.

It is almost as though there's no fucking way all these roles are real.

[Here There Be Dragons]

It's like fucking mala or something and this is all completely pointless.

I would like to give up now. Just tell me where to vote even if it's myself.

[Here There Be Dragons]

VOTE: Dragons
For their shade on me

Yeah that makes so much sense. Town never question the assumptions! After all they're performing so well for us. Maybe you should try scumhunting if you don't want to be questioned. Sitting there like a lump and only bothering to participate when I annoy you is a great way to lose if you're town

It's funny how we pretended the ranger mislim was going to make us think and then came right back to me like we were lining up if she flipped scum. Good thinking team 10/20

[Here There Be Dragons]

I mean sure I could do that. But first I'd have to give a shit and I currently don't. Ask again later

[Here There Be Dragons]

Oh nooo~
How could i scumread you woe is me.

Yeah that is basically what your response was to a slight question. Glad you have that self awareness

[Here There Be Dragons]

I'm not solving right now I'm being mad I can't turn it off instantly

[Here There Be Dragons]

Like Klick is saying you kinda need to prove that our assumptions on some slot being town is wrong before any progress can be made at all assuming you’re not scum.

You’re saying we’re not solving when in reality we have solved already and the result of our thinking is that all other slots are more likely town than yours.

"Our" as though you did anything

[Here There Be Dragons]

Oh nooo~
How could i scumread you woe is me.

isn't this literally what you acted like in response to being slightly sr

~std

[Here There Be Dragons]

Enchant is never scum
Norwee is never scum
Frogs is like 99% never scum, and if they're scum it's with exactly flippy
Mala and Drew are very very towny

Flippy/Dragons/Peregrine.

why did you come to these conclusions

sorry i'm kind of jumping all over the place so if you answered let me know and i'll try to find it

~std

[Here There Be Dragons]

I've scumhunted this game. I've pushed where I think scum are. What has peregrine done besides emanate vibes

[Here There Be Dragons]

norwee is so slimey why is he clear

~std

[Here There Be Dragons]

cool

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[Here There Be Dragons]

i mean you can probably surmise the norwee one from recent posting

talk to me about that one

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[Here There Be Dragons]

I find that so massively unconvincing

I had the same thought process, I just figured it out before posting

-c

[Here There Be Dragons]

For real please tell me why scum can't be genuinely confused

-c

[Here There Be Dragons]

What i don’t like about StD is that they seem to mainly just complain about townreads on me rather than actually explain why i’m scummy and should be eliminated.

this is a grossly inaccurate view of my play

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[Here There Be Dragons]

yeah it is i have not complained about town reads and i have stated your content has been fluffy

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[Here There Be Dragons]

now you're just being a slimey eel saying things like "i should be town read" or whatever junk you're trying to pitch

~std

[Here There Be Dragons]

but i specifically want to know why klick thinks norwee is untouchable

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[Here There Be Dragons]

why

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[Here There Be Dragons]

i feel like there are scummier slots than flippy

if you wanna put it back that's fine i dunno cephy

UNVOTE:

i dunno i want to target "untouchable" slots so i dunno if i just skimmed over the mech that clears people or what but after TM i'm very skeptical of any supposed mech clears

[Here There Be Dragons]

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[Here There Be Dragons]

I have a n0 cop inno on Norwee sorry

No one is talking to you

Keep making posts that will look really dumb in postgane tho

-c

[Here There Be Dragons]

cephy can we talk

~std

[Here There Be Dragons]

maybe

i think i'm gonna VOTE: dr. drew

~std

[Here There Be Dragons]

i thought klick was around where did u go

~std

[Here There Be Dragons]

also has cakez made an appearance recently

pedit: thank you i'll wait here

~std

[Here There Be Dragons]

My reads could be awful in this game, but i stand by that this is my towngame to a T.

Not really interested in self meta especially with no support for it

-c

[Here There Be Dragons]

semi clearing people based on mech is bad

with that in mind, why are each of those slots immoveable

~std

[Here There Be Dragons]

*sits quietly in klick's office*

~std

[Here There Be Dragons]

Also Norwee has made it evident that he has a lack of understanding of the mech side of things. Scum would necessarily need to be understanding that at the moment and Norwee just doesn't. I don't expect this to carry much persuasive weight but I do think it makes him town.

great according to you i'm town

~STD

[Here There Be Dragons]

i think it reminds me of when you cased TGP in white flag to get heat off of them and you were scum with them

~STD

[Here There Be Dragons]

the meta argument is dubious at best

i'll take a closer look at drew with theta

i feel like the third post is just a rehash of the meta argument

~std

[Here There Be Dragons]

i dunno if theta was in real danger when dr. drew voted them a second time

but i think this is a more compelling argument

UNVOTE: lemme think

~std

[Here There Be Dragons]

i don't see examples?

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[Here There Be Dragons]

you kind of handwave the meta argument without examples so i'm not sure what you're expecting me to do?

~std

[Here There Be Dragons]

im also not saying all meta is bad (although i kinda think it's not great) i'm saying your argument that "look at drew's meta and see for yourself" is kind of dubious

~std

[Here There Be Dragons]

why can't you provide examples for me to argue with

i'm not going to meta someone if i don't really believe in meta

but i want to know what you've found

~std

[Here There Be Dragons]

i mean even like a direction to look is fine like "here's a scum game, he was X, Y, and Z in it" and "here's a town game, he was A, B, and C in it" and i'll look at those games for myself

saying "i meta'd" someone and then asking me to do something i don't know how to do isn't going to get results

pedit: i'm not interested in that argument either

~std

[Here There Be Dragons]

i also want to be very clear

"I don't really believe in meta" != "all meta is bad forever"

i do believe in some meta

~std

[Here There Be Dragons]

anyway looking forward to your help!

frogs, did you wanna answer the question i asked you

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[Here There Be Dragons]

im pretty obvtown today

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but for arguments sake, what is nonsense

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[Here There Be Dragons]

i think i've played with you enough for you to see it norwee

calling me boxed in scum is pretty lazy

~std

[Here There Be Dragons]

maybe i got the right vibes but the wrong person klick is protecting?

or maybe i'm just assbackwards who knows

VOTE: norwee

~std

[Here There Be Dragons]

When Norwee is making posts it is more... declarative?

StD is just boxed in scum arguing nonsense.
Let’s fortnite emote on their decaying corpse later.

My reads could be awful in this game, but i stand by that this is my towngame to a T.

What i don’t like about StD is that they seem to mainly just complain about townreads on me rather than actually explain why i’m scummy and should be eliminated.

I think i’ve been very townie in this game.

Seriously if anyone looks at my ISO this game and claims i’m scum do they think i’ve levelled up and become a master scum player or something.

Because i’ge been town all game?

I would also keep FB in this game if i was scum, they told me previously that if they were scum and i was town in a game they would want to keep me alive purely for amusement and i'm also wanting to do the same if i'm scum and he's town in a game.

seems pretty declarative

also fluff:

Now i’m scared to lolpost and shitpost.

If we trust the setup info that's in front of us and assume flippy town, these are all town:

Klick
Frogs
NorwegianboyEE
Emperor flippyNips

Leaving:

Kitty Trauma Team
Here There Be Dragons
Enchant
NorwegianboyEE
Peregrine

Am i schrodingers slot.

NorwegianboyEE killed, WhemeStar saved:

{NorwegianboyEE,

Firebringer

, Kitty Trauma Team, Enchant}
{TemporalLich, Peregrine}
{Here There Be Dragons}
{Klick}
{Doctor Drew}
{Frogs, Emperor flippyNips}

WhemeStar directly killed:

{Kitty Trauma Team, Enchant}
{Peregrine, TemporalLich}
{Here There Be Dragons}
{NorwegianboyEE,

Firebringer

}
{Klick}
{Doctor Drew}
{Emperor flippyNips}
{Frogs}

Feel like i should seriously consider Ranger's reads today as an act of apology.

@Frogs Current thoughts on the game?

[Here There Be Dragons]

but for arguments sake, what is nonsense

~std

[Here There Be Dragons]

come on norwee if you're town you can show me

~std

[Here There Be Dragons]

why don't you answer my question

~std

[Here There Be Dragons]

also that should give you a pretty big hint about my alignment

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[Here There Be Dragons]

i would be shocked if there was no scum in that bloc

[Here There Be Dragons]

~std

[Here There Be Dragons]

i have no idea what everyone is if that helps

~std

[Here There Be Dragons]

If we were pretty sure in flippy being scum or had good reason to eliminate them then I'd advocate for it simply because taking out a scum in this scenario would turn this from a good situation into probably autowin
If we can't meaningfully differentiate between the three on alignment then yeah I think flippy stays alive for checks

If you can't meaningfully differentiate us on alignment then like get good?? It's wild to me that you can generate 5 rock solid diamond tier townread with few to no doubts then you get to us vs. Someone who has not even played the game and throw up your hands and declare it impossible

I think something that lends credit to both Drew and flippy's claims is that in order to get a guilty check with them they have to die reducing our numbers, and innos aren't super reliable with all the blocking going around

They aren't as strong as they seem without careful coordination, and yeah I can see scum having the ability to mess with them as well

I'm more convinced in my townreads by behaviour than I am by role

"All the blocking"? All what blocking?

-c

[Here There Be Dragons]

I mean. You're putting up a wall where we are not allowed to play and you're not interested in reading me. Yes I could fake many things, so your solution is to not try to sort it out I guess. Which seems different to me from things I've seen you say in the past about parsing what scum could do from what they are in fact doing. Im not really interested in playing Cassandra if no one actually cares about anything I do.

-c

[Here There Be Dragons]

It may not be obvious but there is content you can read and evaluate and I don't see any desire to do so

If you insist on this pathway it would be optimal to eliminate the ascetic and give Flippy a chance to clear or fake clear me, but it's not optimal for my mental health. If I were alone in this slot I would have voted myself by now

-c

[Here There Be Dragons]

did u do a deep dive on us like u did with norwee and drew?

~std

[Here There Be Dragons]

norwee continuing to ignore content to fluff is telling

~std

[Here There Be Dragons]

i asked a simple question

what was nonsense of what i'm saying

you can't answer

~std

[Here There Be Dragons]

Ceph the first scum ISO of yours I clicked on you were adamantly pushing into the thread that you were obvious town the same way you are doing right now.

PEdit: lol that is what I am currently doing!

I'm not doing that right now I don't think? I'm pretty sure posts from the last few hours to that effect have been from STD

-c

[Here There Be Dragons]

If you're town here you should be more accommodating to my playstyle and if you're scum then you just keep doing whatever lol.

Hypocrisy level: infinite

-c

[Here There Be Dragons]

i asked a simple question

what was nonsense of what i'm saying

you can't answer

~std

I already answered if you look at my posts but ur too busy saying "lolooo NORWEE IGNORING MNY POST OMG HE GINOREING MY POSRTRS!"

point it out

~std

[Here There Be Dragons]

i mean it's not just the whole "klick is so obvtown" thing is it

~std

[Here There Be Dragons]

oh i ignored that because it was pretty dumb

~std

[Here There Be Dragons]

why do you think klick is obvtown

~std

[Here There Be Dragons]

like do you have examples

~std

[Here There Be Dragons]

i wonder if i've ever quintuple posted as scum

~std

[Here There Be Dragons]

wait your obvtown post for klick is a defense of yourself

srsly

~std

[Here There Be Dragons]

we are not and it's more your fault for not seeing how hypocritical you are being

like we've posted multiple examples of your hypocracy and you're just throwing words around

but w/e

~std

[Here There Be Dragons]

norwee can die that's my solve.

get on board or get on with it

~std

[Here There Be Dragons]

ill also support whatever ceph says

~std

[Here There Be Dragons]

but like you could have argued klick's post about Dr. Drew was townie

but your own defense? come on

~std

[Here There Be Dragons]

ok i'm taking a break

~std

[Here There Be Dragons]

i was expecting like "here's these three posts that make klick obv town" not "here's a post that could be pretty pockety if i'm town"

~std

[Here There Be Dragons]

Klick is making very good points in post 3013 and you're dismissing it like a professor taking a look at my exam paper.
You're being the most scummy and hypocritical player i've ever seen in my mafia career and fully deserving of being voted to death for this play regardless of what you actually are.
I won't shed a single tear. You lost all chance at making me trust you in this game anymore. You fucked up.

What? Does anyone else understand what this dude is so mad about?

-c

[Here There Be Dragons]

We should all be townreading Cephrir too or we are bad players and they are the only good player.

Project more??????

-c

[Here There Be Dragons]

Mildly syspecting norwegianboyee for 5 minutes: the ultimate heresy. We deserve to burn at the stake

I literally don't understand

-c

[Here There Be Dragons]

This is a response that would be more in line with if I had like, kicked your puppy

[Here There Be Dragons]

i was expecting like "here's these three posts that make klick obv town" not "here's a post that could be pretty pockety if i'm town"

~std

What a great point. Bow down everyone, this is the superior player. Flawless logic.

it's actually a very valid point

~std

[Here There Be Dragons]

Klick is making very good points in post 3013 and you're dismissing it like a professor taking a look at my exam paper.
You're being the most scummy and hypocritical player i've ever seen in my mafia career and fully deserving of being voted to death for this play regardless of what you actually are.
I won't shed a single tear. You lost all chance at making me trust you in this game anymore. You fucked up.

What? Does anyone else understand what this dude is so mad about?

-c

Yes

You asked for why I thought Norwee was town, I gave you my thoughts in good faith, and in response I got this:

Also Norwee has made it evident that he has a lack of understanding of the mech side of things. Scum would necessarily need to be understanding that at the moment and Norwee just doesn't. I don't expect this to carry much persuasive weight but I do think it makes him town.

great according to you i'm town

~STD

maybe i got the right vibes but the wrong person klick is protecting?

or maybe i'm just assbackwards who knows

VOTE: norwee

~std

When Norwee is making posts it is more... declarative?

StD is just boxed in scum arguing nonsense.
Let’s fortnite emote on their decaying corpse later.

My reads could be awful in this game, but i stand by that this is my towngame to a T.

What i don’t like about StD is that they seem to mainly just complain about townreads on me rather than actually explain why i’m scummy and should be eliminated.

I think i’ve been very townie in this game.

Seriously if anyone looks at my ISO this game and claims i’m scum do they think i’ve levelled up and become a master scum player or something.

Because i’ge been town all game?

I would also keep FB in this game if i was scum, they told me previously that if they were scum and i was town in a game they would want to keep me alive purely for amusement and i'm also wanting to do the same if i'm scum and he's town in a game.

seems pretty declarative

also fluff:

Now i’m scared to lolpost and shitpost.

If we trust the setup info that's in front of us and assume flippy town, these are all town:

Klick
Frogs
NorwegianboyEE
Emperor flippyNips

Leaving:

Kitty Trauma Team
Here There Be Dragons
Enchant
NorwegianboyEE
Peregrine

Am i schrodingers slot.

NorwegianboyEE killed, WhemeStar saved:

{NorwegianboyEE,

Firebringer

, Kitty Trauma Team, Enchant}
{TemporalLich, Peregrine}
{Here There Be Dragons}
{Klick}
{Doctor Drew}
{Frogs, Emperor flippyNips}

WhemeStar directly killed:

{Kitty Trauma Team, Enchant}
{Peregrine, TemporalLich}
{Here There Be Dragons}
{NorwegianboyEE,

Firebringer

}
{Klick}
{Doctor Drew}
{Emperor flippyNips}
{Frogs}

Feel like i should seriously consider Ranger's reads today as an act of apology.

@Frogs Current thoughts on the game?

It's about the response I expected, but it also shows your lack of respect for the thoughts being put forth and I can understand why it would upset Norwee
Especially considering Norwee has a similar site history to me in regards to people not respecting his thoughts

And you're now both basically trolling over the last page

So 'u mad' is about the most disingenuous thing you could be posting at the minute

1. You keep using you to refer to us as one person and it keeps confusing me
2. I do not see what is disrespectful about those posts.
3. I wasn't trolling, but I want to now. Get me out of here, I'm done.

-c

[Here There Be Dragons]

Who could possibly keep wanting to scumread me despite constantly receiving hard propf i’m playing to my town meta?

Could it be scum???!

Lol hard proof

[Here There Be Dragons]

Do we just wanna kill dragons?

Please

[Here There Be Dragons]

I'm just trying to play a game here and I don't appreciate the implications against my character

-c

[Here There Be Dragons]

wtf my responses were legitimate even if a little tongue in cheek. that is not bad faith

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[Here There Be Dragons]

Also I went and found a town and scum game of Drew's for you to look through to try and understand why I townread him as much as I do, and you both kind of just... ignored it after I found what you wanted

i mean even like a direction to look is fine like "here's a scum game, he was X, Y, and Z in it" and "here's a town game, he was A, B, and C in it" and i'll look at those games for myself

Here's a town game; look for these things in it:

As town he's very free and confident, significantly more sarcastic, comfortable, and has his filter off. He isn't afraid to upset.

Here's a scum game; look for these things in it:

His scum game is watered-down. On the whole he gives much more straightforward content. He projects the reads he wants to be seen by the thread before committing to them, giving a sort of trail to see his progression from. He isn't comfortable, he is much more reserved and tries to be friendlier.

i didn't ignore this, i thought about this but didn't post. i'm not sure what to think

~std

oops

~std

[Here There Be Dragons]

StD and Cephrir at this point is asking for deliberations and explanations because they want to keep up the appearance of solving the game and giving me "a fair read". But it’s obvious that’s a binch of fucking horseshit when looking at their play here.
StD: "You’ve yet to show me town thought process Norwee"
Fuck off.

you need to chill

~std

[Here There Be Dragons]

Here There Be Dragons: give StickyFruit to Enchant[/b]

PFFFFT hahaha funny joke

~std

[Here There Be Dragons]

let's leash the player we're antagonizing

good luck with that

~std

[Here There Be Dragons]

i dunno

i'll decide what to do with it later

~std

[Here There Be Dragons]

I'm not particularly interested in the discussion about anyone's character right now

Maybe you should have thought about that before you decided to back someone who is very interested in it and say their douchery was reasonable.

Bye

-c

[Here There Be Dragons]

maybe nobody gets a stickyfruit

~std

[Here There Be Dragons]

cool i see where trying got me

why the fuck would i try anymore

~std

[Here There Be Dragons]

StD and Cephrir at this point is asking for deliberations and explanations because they want to keep up the appearance of solving the game and giving me "a fair read". But it’s obvious that’s a binch of fucking horseshit when looking at their play here.
StD: "You’ve yet to show me town thought process Norwee"
Fuck off.

you need to chill

~std

I'm calm and think your slot is scum alignment that needs to die. The way you both have been reading me and reacting to Klick's posts is scummy.

no you've been an asshat to us with "fuck off" literally quoted in this post

you've taken it to another level and should apologize but hey it's your life do what you want

~std

[Here There Be Dragons]

taking a break don't let me post

~std

[Here There Be Dragons]

i'm sorry too i'm not trying to make this game miserable

do what you got to i'm gonna have a hard think over the night

~std