Micro 1082 - I’m the Real Tracker (Day 4)

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Well then G'Day little lady, i think we ought to lead this town to a good place, so i suggest that after each night that passes it might be worthwhile to claim the person we targeted to the entire town, so that we are able to have our information gatherers gather more useful information.

this sounds like a good idea

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anyways, VOTE: invisibility cause why not

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Here is the way i imagine D2 starting as a whole with what i am saying just FYI.

Every player claims their night target.
Once this has completed, every player can also claim whether the night targets make sense to them (Allows for Tracker/Inspector/Loyal Checker to give their info, while protected by pretenders/People claiming Roleblocked with no visits on them.)

Examples as follows;

X is a doctor, they attempted to protect Y
Y was killed at night, no one claims to visit X at night, therefore X claims that they believe there is False information. if someone claims to have visited X, then they claim that they believe they have true information.
Y wasn't killed at night, X will claim that they believe there is true information.

X is a Tracker, They visited Y and got that they visited Z
Y claims to have visited X at night, therefore X claims that they believe there is False information.
Y claims to have visited Z at night, therefore X claims that they believe there is True information.

X is a Loyal Checker, they checked Y at night
For a failure, If no one visited X at night, they claim False information, If someone visited X at night, they claim they have true information.
For a completion of the action, if someone visited X at night, they claim False information, If someone didn't visit X at night, the claim True information.

X is an Inspector, they checked Y at night.
For a positive, if no one claims to have visited Y at night, they claim False information, if someone claims to visit Y at night, they claim True information
For a negative, if no one claims to have visited Y at night, they claim True information, if someone claims to visit Y at night, they claim False information.

The rest can claim randomly.

Note that the above allows truthful claims from Tracker/Loyal Checker/Inspector that the scum can't cleanly identify before a flip, and post a flip, town can have truthful information as to who the PR has visited, and their result.

The random and Pretender claims also cleanly hide each of these PR's fairly well.

Note: i don't think this really breaks the setup all that much, it just hinders scum from lying in their claims.

doesn't checker just see if their action succeeded?
so, loyal checker would only know if a) target is unaligned with them, b) they were blocked

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ah.
read up now.
i see what u mean now

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i'm going to agree with merlyn on kowah.
from memory, they tend to have scummy plans even as town.
so at best, it's nai.

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that being said i don't agree with kowah's plan either.

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and if i was invest, kowah totally would be a good target to check

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I feel a no lim is still our best option. Even with people disagreeing with me. Everyone has a power this game, even if you're a pretender, you're going to do something and get information. Which means everyone is going to be playing for their survival more than to solve today because everyone will be of the opinion they're important and need to see out the day so they can hopefully avoid the NK and get their ability off to save the day for town.

I do however think it's probably more advantageous than my usual "just end the day asap" to spend more time trying to solve the game and get a good feel for everyone so that everyone can target appropriately. We should not lim today.

annoyingly u raise a good point that people may feel inclined to protect themselves over solving.
however, a flip can help us get some info and may help invest decide on who to check

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@mod

v/la 4 june to 11 june

i'll still try to be active but it'll prob be less frequent

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catching up
will post later when i get time

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But yes, most roles especially roleblockers should be on jingle no matter what.

they should?

Sure, if he is neighbour then he has no use for his night action. If he isn't and is faking it for some reason, then obviously roleblocker should also be on him as he wouldn't be trustworthy.

Besides, roleblocker has a 1/8 chance of stopping the night kill. Much higher likelihood of stopping an usefull role like inspector or loyal checker than stopping mafias kill, meaning we're not giving up an invaluable asset with our n1 roleblock either. Of course all these are assuming a town roleblocker.

Don't you think it would make more sense for the RB to block who they think is scum? I mean yeah if they are wrong then they potentially block a useful role, but I still think that's a better play than blocking someone you townread

agreed.
though, bingle has claimed a weak pr and other seeking neighbor can always target him.

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tbh i don't get the don votes.

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i prob need to reread tho.

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I'm vaguely okay with Black's content at the moment, but that could be a playstyle thing. I think she's being pretty reasonable with her interactions with people, and also I've liked a few of her takes, but that could well be that I'm wrong about things and she's taking advantage of it.

I think JW arguing that something is simultaneously mechanically proscum to push me and mechanically protown to make the thing more mechanically proscum is scum indicative. I think that's pretty clear from my posting?

Honestly, I've been kind of glazing over your back and forth with Black tonight and if I were to try and give it a read atm I'd say it feels like a TvT, but that's also not fair at all to the interaction because I'm burned out from 11 hours at work and skipping lunch, so I'll get back to you when my brain is a little bit less of a pile of mush. If you want, you could give me a teal dear of what you're picking up and I can give you an impression, but I'm certainly going to read it more closely tomorrow.

going to agree on black here
she's been really trying to poke and prod

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I'm vaguely okay with Black's content at the moment, but that could be a playstyle thing. I think she's being pretty reasonable with her interactions with people, and also I've liked a few of her takes, but that could well be that I'm wrong about things and she's taking advantage of it.

I think JW arguing that something is simultaneously mechanically proscum to push me and mechanically protown to make the thing more mechanically proscum is scum indicative. I think that's pretty clear from my posting?

Honestly, I've been kind of glazing over your back and forth with Black tonight and if I were to try and give it a read atm I'd say it feels like a TvT, but that's also not fair at all to the interaction because I'm burned out from 11 hours at work and skipping lunch, so I'll get back to you when my brain is a little bit less of a pile of mush. If you want, you could give me a teal dear of what you're picking up and I can give you an impression, but I'm certainly going to read it more closely tomorrow.

going to agree on black here
she's been really trying to poke and prod

can you give me an example of where and how you thought that was particularly townie.

i think 198 and 235 were good examples.
in that, black was trying to sort others and get their thoughts.

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i've caught up now and ngl 376 is kinda weird given pc seems more interested in abnegation's thoughts on black being tvt with them over don who they've hopped onto the wagon off but i can't remember why.
VOTE: pc

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taking a break from this thread for a few hours because, like i said, my eyes are starting to glaze over.

and this is why i said i was done with alting. i just like playing on this account. can't go a day without mainslipping though.

relatable

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in that i've been trying extremely hard this game to not slip.

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i am questioning why doc took issue with invis questioning me.
i thought that question was a fair one, given that all my reasons were in spoilers.

on the contrary, i actually find it townish for drew to poke on that

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i am questioning why doc took issue with invis questioning me.
i thought that question was a fair one, given that all my reasons were in spoilers.

on the contrary, i actually find it townish for drew to poke on that

it makes more sense after 469.

got that.
ngl invis would be worth checking, depend on pc flip.

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what's up with you talking about who you think the investigatives should check? this wouldn't be the first time you've done that today.

i'll explain tommorow
(it's to do with my role)

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what's up with you talking about who you think the investigatives should check? this wouldn't be the first time you've done that today.

i'll explain tommorow
(it's to do with my role)

interesting.
i am debating whether to ask you which investigatives you think should be on invis.
is that a question you can answer?
because it's kind of useless for a tracker to go there now if they're trying to catch a killer, and inspector is just worse watcher.

u forgot checker.

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well i didn't say they had to answer. i'm just confused by it. also i don't see how that helps me determine what invis' role is, which would be the point of rolefishing if i'm not misunderstanding.

i think drew was prob talking about rolefishing me.

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yep, i said invis when i meant appearance. my bad.

got that.
btw to let u know, my reasons for announcing who i think should be checked are linked to why i was ok with bingle being blocked.

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ok.
invis is town.
i checked her last night and my action succeeded.

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and if it wasn't clear from yesterday, i'm loyal checker.

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hence why i made 49, 476, 478 and 488.

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Drew becomes defacto lim if everyone else is confed. Can’t conf him over you/me because we need his action to keep vizzy alive.

If black blocks doc and kills vizzy that creates a 1v1 between black and doc, which is solved by appearance on black. There is a loophole here for black scum to win by killing appearance, but we should be able to close that with a slight rework.

Vizzy on black, appearance on drew should work I think?

sure.
since if drew docs invis and invis is on black, i feel like it feels pretty safe.

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also, knowing myself to be town, if neither me nor invis get a guilty, don/u will be confscum fmpov.

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if a kill happens.

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also, knowing myself to be town, if neither me nor invis get a guilty, don/u will be confscum fmpov.

I mean one of u/don, if it wasn't clear.

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so i think ur plan is definitely a good idea.
(and maybe towny, considering that it doesn't really help u if u were scum.)

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VOTE: no lim

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something i just realised tho is black could always get killed and i could get framed.

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gg.
@gif u can release my notes

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lol tho that i had considered targeting black but decided to go for invis due to crumb

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tho i don't think i ever would've expected black to be scum as they were my one of my top trs.