Micro 1082 - I’m the Real Tracker (Day 4)

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VOTE: Donempire fake tracker

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I think I kind of get it

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so do we just no lim and try to cut the discussion?

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Isn't it a bit odd that you say it isn't indicative, rather than 'I don't think it's indicative'?

what does this mean

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if it was a good plan it's probably too late now probably. We've talked too much

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I have to disagree with that and I find it actually inherently scummy to be suggesting a no-lim with the intensity that you are. This is the only thing you're pushing and my gut reaction is that it stinks.

if someone earnestly believes in a no lim in this situation then they shouldn't push anyone so that they don't give scum information

I find it weird that there's no hesitancy from Merlyn in calling it specifically 'Not Scum Indicative.

Like they very clearly say that 'It's not scum indicative of them', which isn't preceded by an 'I think or anything like that - it's a very definite statement backed up by absolutely nowt.

I don't think whether or not she said "I think" matters a whole lot? She isn't proclaiming absolute grandstanding confidence. It's not like, a binary thing lol. Disagreeing with the meta read is fine, but getting uppity about this is weird!

I don't like the reasoning for either of your votes

VOTE: Delta

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Vizzy was the first one to bring it up.

Kowah was in 21. Though yeah I do think it's valuable to question why Delta never brought what I said about no limming up. Also yeah you're right about no limming lolz. Plus it's not as fun

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sorry hi

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I have nothing to say about mechanical stuff cuz I am bad at mechanical stuff

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You should know Delta already better then this, so why exactly is Delta the person you are jumping on?

why should I know Delta already better than this? Does Delta get a free pass for making bad reads cuz it's their meta? That's silly

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like describe what you see here specifically in Delta town cuz it is not as obvious as you think it is

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Those of you with votes on me in particular, I'd encourage you to commit to game solving and telling me why it's worth eliminating me for calling out something I find scummy.

your reasons for your votes sounded nonsensical and contrived

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I'm a bit miffed at the focus on mechanical solving in D1 over plain old scumhunting - I do genuinely feel like Merlyn has something to hide on this because of how they described Kowah's actions as Not Scum Indicative, rather than intimating that it isn't certain.

Clearing someone of scumhood through purely meta reeds less than 100 posts into the game just doesn't scream town so my vote is on Merlyn for now.

okay actually I like this excerpt. I still don't like Delta getting into the weeds with not saying probably but I can forgive that since Delta seems to be saying Merlyn landed on that townread too easily which is reasonable and so like I can see Delta just getting overly granular here. This shows a thought process that makes sense for town to have (whereas Delta's previous posts focused primarily on the supposed absolute certainty)


41 is still a bad vote though

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Those of you with votes on me in particular, I'd encourage you to commit to game solving and telling me why it's worth eliminating me for calling out something I find scummy.

what are you insinuating with this question?

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Kowah, Invis and Delta- you are all saying that I have a weak read on Kowah, but I didn't say I was townreading Kowah at all.

I'm saying I see Delta's thought process, not that I agree with it.

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You didn't say it's NAI. You specifically said it's Not

Scum

indicative.

ok nvm we're just getting silly again

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Delta, what was scummy about Merlyn clearing Kowah of scumhood, as you put it?

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Town Delta is way more confrontational then Scum Delta, could be playing to meta, but i think it's good enough for this early.

why should this be obvious to me?

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I also find it odd that invisibility whiteknights merlyn why not let the interaction play through because what delta said was right technically

do you think I was whiteknighting Kowah too?

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I also find it odd that invisibility whiteknights merlyn why not let the interaction play through because what delta said was right technically

do you think I was whiteknighting Kowah too?

no but now that you mention it let me check. I guess it can sorta be seen that way not really? although you don't really interact with kowah at all. which is weird because you're asking me about interacting with kowah. can you explain?

I don't really see how I'm WKing Merlyn here. I feel like I've paid Kowah the same amount of mind. I do see your point that I should've let it play out cuz then I could see if Delta is focused on semantics or actual stuff but hindsight is 20/20

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Bit of a point here:

The semantics argument is a real lazy way to define and discredit my points.

:P

Why would Merlyn go to the lengths of specifically saying that what I had pointed out was Not Scum Indicative due to meta, but then not comment on when Invisibility also advocated for a No-Lim? Maybe she's right, maybe Kowah is just a cautious player, but there's a certainty to what they said about it specifically being Not Scum Indicative, referencing meta from when Kowah was town.

this feels a lot like Delta plucked a thought from what I had said without realizing that it doesn't make any sense. Have you considered that I might just not have a meta reason for this?

I just don't see why Town!Merlyn would approach this with that kind of confidence in a 'this person isn't scum'-read. She then goes on to weirdly kind of recant this with the following:

this unabashed misunderstanding probably comes from town lol

Delta, what was scummy about Merlyn clearing Kowah of scumhood, as you put it?

How would Town!Merlyn be so convinced NotScum!Kowah through purely meta? What's the benefit for Town!Merlyn in doing this?

I kinda like this post

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VOTE: Political Clout yeah sure.

I feel like you're being very reactive here

I agree with this

I also find it odd that invisibility whiteknights merlyn why not let the interaction play through because what delta said was right technically.

I find this statement a weird one to make when you were agreeing with me about Delta's read on Merlyn in 64

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Invis are you good?

Cause I was talking about Merlyn, not you.

which thing are you talking about

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hi Black!

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Pretenders know they are pretenders, right?

they don't

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another no lim/cut the discussion post. How could this possibly be good for town? I know I said I'm not a mech person but cutting discussion short seems like it would be harmful in any setup

yeah I was just trusting that everyone else knew what they were talking about LOL

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like describe what you see here specifically in Delta town cuz it is not as obvious as you think it is

Town Delta is way more confrontational then Scum Delta, could be playing to meta, but i think it's good enough for this early.

though 105 feels a bit wonky even then, though Delta has a habit of arguing semantics a lot.

if you find some wonkiness in Delta's play how come it should be obvious that Delta is town to me? Still don't get this vote.

I've been back and forth as to whether or not Jason is town for their vote on me cuz like it kind of gave me genuine vibes vs it suggesting being informed like Black said. Ok now that I'm putting this into words I can barely justify the former so the latter is much more likely. 110 makes Jason's conviction even weirder

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I like this post from Delta and I agree

does this include the part about Kowah being scummy for not pushing anything else?

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another no lim/cut the discussion post. How could this possibly be good for town? I know I said I'm not a mech person but cutting discussion short seems like it would be harmful in any setup

yeah I was just trusting that everyone else knew what they were talking about LOL

I'm a little surprised by this answer. I guess I just thought that you would know better since you seem pretty experienced

I tricked you into thinking I'm good at Mafia!!

I like this post from Delta and I agree

does this include the part about Kowah being scummy for not pushing anything else?

I don't really think not pushing anyone 40 posts into the game is scummy tbh

yeah me neither. That's the part of Delta's post I took issue with and I was wondering what you thought if you agreed with the post

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But yes, most roles especially roleblockers should be on jingle no matter what.

they should?

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So 1 post that feels a bit off should instantly ruin a town read I have?

that's not what I meant. A post that gives you pause should make you think that Delta isn't obviously townie enough that someone voting him is scummy

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I don't have a problem with you TRing Delta (I think Delta is kind townie myself), but I fail to see why it should've been obvious to me that Delta is town

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So 1 post that feels a bit off should instantly ruin a town read I have?

that's not what I meant. A post that gives you pause should make you think that Delta isn't obviously townie enough that someone voting him is scummy

You realize 105 happened after i called the votes on Delta bad (and an aside, BAD NOT SCUMMY)

yeah okay that's fair. Also you voted me for my vote on Delta lolz

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yeah I can accept that you'd keep voting me for pre-105 stuffs though I still don't get why you voted me in the first place

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I was trying to convey how much I would no lim. I've already said this day is fine to get info from because it will benefit the targeting of the powers.

but you would prefer to end it right now?

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176 and 183 make me feel like Donempire knows the roleblocker is town. Also 180 gives out a town read to someone for not wanting mech talk, unless I'm confused isn't suggesting where a roleblocker should go and mathing out the liklihood a roleblocker stops a night kill "mech talk" or do I not understand what mech talk means?

VOTE: donempire

weren't other people also talking like they assumed the RB would be town? That's weird reason to single out Donempire on

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Donempire votes don't make a whole lot of sense to me

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what is Kowah at

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VOTE: Kowah

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Howdy, will catch up in the next hour or two.

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hi

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I would also say that political clout is a townlean for now. I might elaborate if needed.

I would like you to elaborate on this actually

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Then why bring it up?

I wanted to explain why I let myself lapse into not posting lol

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bingle has actively and openly engaged in it I think it replaces a lot of content

this is a pretty fair point

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Like 80% of the thread has been mech talk, and there's really no point to it today. The tl;dr is pick your target based on your own personal thoughts to prevent scum from playing around any publicly assigned choices. We decide whether the flips suggest we should claim targets tomorrow, full claim tomorrow, or claim nothing tomorrow. If we full claim, we discuss whether those choices make sense. If we don't, we continue playing the game of mafia.

I feel like 80% of your posts have been about mech talk lol

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176 and 183 make me feel like Donempire knows the roleblocker is town. Also 180 gives out a town read to someone for not wanting mech talk, unless I'm confused isn't suggesting where a roleblocker should go and mathing out the liklihood a roleblocker stops a night kill "mech talk" or do I not understand what mech talk means?

VOTE: donempire

weren't other people also talking like they assumed the RB would be town? That's weird reason to single out Donempire on

If they did, I didn't notice it or it didn't stick out to me like it did with Donempire.

186 and 197 do. They did come shortly after Don's posts but I'm not sure how much that matters. Still think you're reading too much into it

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so far a lot of people that is my feeling has said it's town v town. I think I can institute wisdom of the crowds here and say I'm wrong I would like fresh eyes to look at the interaction and see what they say first.

this faltering feels bad
VOTE: PC plus looking through their ISO I have a hard time finding content that actually goes somewhere

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that's just not true you seem really eager to do it or am I wrong?

I have a hard time not engaging mech talk because it's like... my existence on site. I genuinely don't want to talk mech in this case because the more we talk about mech D1 the more scum can glean from said talk and try to mitigate the benefits of our PRs when we do hit claim day.

I also think that I don't really have a choice in doing so when my biggest scumread at the moment is a result of someone arguing what I see to be mutually exclusive mech points.

this is a decent response

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what do you think of my interaction with black do you see what I'm seeing or am i crazy?

can you give me an example of where and how you thought that was particularly townie.

welcome what do you think of black?

like this feels so much like PC is dipping their toe in the water, asking everyone what they think of Black so that they can know how safe it is to make this push. This behavior is made even scummier since PC isn't voting Black

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there should be more themes

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As for post 184, kowah's theory also has to be refuted in mechanical terms, and you'll see that i try not to emphasize the mech part over the practical part.
I see your concern however, and i'm fine elaborating.

did this help you solve or was it more of a clarifying thing

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i had a dream that invis was mafia.

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I was somewhat town leaning on him before

you don't gotta get the specific posts if you don't wanna but can you summarize why you thought this?

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How close are to deadline?

At work but trying to follow along.

19 hours. Deadline is in the first post. Also happy scumday

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I think acknowledging that you may be tunneled is a thing that isn't particularly scum indicative.

that in isolation isn't bad but the repeated direct questions irk me

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i could maybe switch to don, definitely don't tr them even after reading their posts, but this wagon is fine.

why are you voting PC?

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i could maybe switch to don, definitely don't tr them even after reading their posts, but this wagon is fine.

why are you voting PC?

Did I miss something? You are voting them as well.

I didn't mean this in an accusation or refutation sense lol. I am just wondering

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I just mean why are you upset that someone is voting your, I can only assume, top scumread?

oh I'm not upset at all. Sorry if that was unclear

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I just mean why are you upset that someone is voting your, I can only assume, top scumread?

oh I'm not upset at all. Sorry if that was unclear

Then I don't understand your question to her.

I wanted to know if it was an SR or like just a compromise lim type thing if she was willing to vote Don

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given that all my reasons were in spoilers

oh did I just miss them LOL

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Invis, I literally just moved over to PC to vote them, somewhat as a compromise.

Why are you not questioning me about that?

cuz I understood your reasons for voting

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hi

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I kinda saw the Abnegation kill coming cuz I don't think she was suspected by anyone really

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meaning anyone claiming an impossible role ( like second doc) is confirmed to be town

how will we know which one is the pretender

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So whoever was roleblocked is confirmed not scum.

Wow I'm a total idiot. I'm not sure why I didn't realize this

Kowah is town. I'm the RB and I blocked him N1

Theoretically kowah can still be scum if you are pretender.

Tracker results are also hard investigative.

I'm tracker. I tracked Kowah and they didn't visit anyone last night

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I thought the same thing that Kowah had the scummiest association with PC

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Kowah is locktown here?

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meaning anyone claiming an impossible role ( like second doc) is confirmed to be town

how will we know which one is the pretender

Havent thought that far yet :D
We could try something based on the role thats doubled, for example if there are two roleblocker claims then we just ask their night results and see if their target really got no result.

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Invis, are you actually awesome?

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We should put a pin in wondering what results imply until all roles are claimed. Don't claim results, even if you think you have a hard guilty, until that's done.

this is prob correct. Sorry for jumping the gun

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wait so if the pretender is RB'd they still get a result right

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wait so if the pretender is RB'd they still get a result right

Im on mobile and dont feel like looking it up. But I imagine a pretender doesnt have any real power to block. So I would still get a result if I was a pretender because nothing real actually happened.

I tried looking it up and I didn't get a conclusive answer but I think it works how we think it works where your visit gets canceled but your result is still random

@mod pls clarify here if you will

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it makes sense to me

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do I track Appearance or Black?

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yeah sounds good

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VOTE: no lim

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Appearance visited Bladk :P

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Black*

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oh yeah true VOTE: Drew

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Bingle is clear...so it has to be Drew?

so did you block Bingle and Kowah just happened to get the correct result?

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gg everyones

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I was very happy to discover that I was the real tracker in the first game of I'm the real tracker

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for some reason I just subconsciously always want to sheep Black in every game I play with her

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here is my thread o' thoughts if anyone was interested lol