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Post #52 (isolation #5) » Thu Jun 01, 2023 11:45 am
Postby Invisibility »
In post 41, Deltabreedy wrote:
I have to disagree with that and I find it actually inherently scummy to be suggesting a no-lim with the intensity that you are. This is the only thing you're pushing and my gut reaction is that it stinks.
if someone earnestly believes in a no lim in this situation then they shouldn't push anyone so that they don't give scum information
In post 51, Deltabreedy wrote:
I find it weird that there's no hesitancy from Merlyn in calling it specifically 'Not Scum Indicative.
Like they very clearly say that 'It's not scum indicative of them', which isn't preceded by an 'I think or anything like that - it's a very definite statement backed up by absolutely nowt.
I don't think whether or not she said "I think" matters a whole lot? She isn't proclaiming absolute grandstanding confidence. It's not like, a binary thing lol. Disagreeing with the meta read is fine, but getting uppity about this is weird!
I don't like the reasoning for either of your votes
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Post #55 (isolation #6) » Thu Jun 01, 2023 12:32 pm
Postby Invisibility »
In post 53, Bingle wrote:
Vizzy was the first one to bring it up.
Kowah was in 21. Though yeah I do think it's valuable to question why Delta never brought what I said about no limming up. Also yeah you're right about no limming lolz. Plus it's not as fun
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Post #101 (isolation #11) » Sat Jun 03, 2023 1:34 pm
Postby Invisibility »
In post 88, Deltabreedy wrote:
Those of you with votes on me in particular, I'd encourage you to commit to game solving and telling me why it's worth eliminating me for calling out something I find scummy.
your reasons for your votes sounded nonsensical and contrived
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Post #102 (isolation #12) » Sat Jun 03, 2023 1:40 pm
Postby Invisibility »
In post 88, Deltabreedy wrote:
I'm a bit miffed at the focus on mechanical solving in D1 over plain old scumhunting - I do genuinely feel like Merlyn has something to hide on this because of how they described Kowah's actions as Not Scum Indicative, rather than intimating that it isn't certain.
Clearing someone of scumhood through purely meta reeds less than 100 posts into the game just doesn't scream town so my vote is on Merlyn for now.
okay actually I like this excerpt. I still don't like Delta getting into the weeds with not saying probably but I can forgive that since Delta seems to be saying Merlyn landed on that townread too easily which is reasonable and so like I can see Delta just getting overly granular here. This shows a thought process that makes sense for town to have (whereas Delta's previous posts focused primarily on the supposed absolute certainty)
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Post #103 (isolation #13) » Sat Jun 03, 2023 1:42 pm
Postby Invisibility »
In post 88, Deltabreedy wrote:
Those of you with votes on me in particular, I'd encourage you to commit to game solving and telling me why it's worth eliminating me for calling out something I find scummy.
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Post #107 (isolation #14) » Sat Jun 03, 2023 4:02 pm
Postby Invisibility »
In post 104, Merlyn wrote:
Kowah, Invis and Delta- you are all saying that I have a weak read on Kowah, but I didn't say I was townreading Kowah at all.
I'm saying I see Delta's thought process, not that I agree with it.
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Post #111 (isolation #17) » Sat Jun 03, 2023 4:47 pm
Postby Invisibility »
In post 110, JasonWazza wrote:
Town Delta is way more confrontational then Scum Delta, could be playing to meta, but i think it's good enough for this early.
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Post #126 (isolation #18) » Sun Jun 04, 2023 4:18 am
Postby Invisibility »
In post 122, Political Clout wrote:
I also find it odd that invisibility whiteknights merlyn why not let the interaction play through because what delta said was right technically
In post 122, Political Clout wrote:
I also find it odd that invisibility whiteknights merlyn why not let the interaction play through because what delta said was right technically
do you think I was whiteknighting Kowah too?
no but now that you mention it let me check. I guess it can sorta be seen that way not really? although you don't really interact with kowah at all. which is weird because you're asking me about interacting with kowah. can you explain?
I don't really see how I'm WKing Merlyn here. I feel like I've paid Kowah the same amount of mind. I do see your point that I should've let it play out cuz then I could see if Delta is focused on semantics or actual stuff but hindsight is 20/20
The semantics argument is a real lazy way to define and discredit my points.
:P
In post 131, Deltabreedy wrote:
Why would Merlyn go to the lengths of specifically saying that what I had pointed out was Not Scum Indicative due to meta, but then not comment on when Invisibility also advocated for a No-Lim? Maybe she's right, maybe Kowah is just a cautious player, but there's a certainty to what they said about it specifically being Not Scum Indicative, referencing meta from when Kowah was town.
this feels a lot like Delta plucked a thought from what I had said without realizing that it doesn't make any sense. Have you considered that I might just not have a meta reason for this?
In post 131, Deltabreedy wrote:
I just don't see why Town!Merlyn would approach this with that kind of confidence in a 'this person isn't scum'-read. She then goes on to weirdly kind of recant this with the following:
this unabashed misunderstanding probably comes from town lol
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Post #148 (isolation #21) » Mon Jun 05, 2023 12:26 pm
Postby Invisibility »
VOTE: Political Clout yeah sure.
In post 140, Bingle wrote:
I feel like you're being very reactive here
I agree with this
In post 122, Political Clout wrote:
I also find it odd that invisibility whiteknights merlyn why not let the interaction play through because what delta said was right technically.
I find this statement a weird one to make when you were agreeing with me about Delta's read on Merlyn in 64
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Post #170 (isolation #25) » Tue Jun 06, 2023 8:41 am
Postby Invisibility »
In post 165, Black wrote:
another no lim/cut the discussion post. How could this possibly be good for town? I know I said I'm not a mech person but cutting discussion short seems like it would be harmful in any setup
yeah I was just trusting that everyone else knew what they were talking about LOL
In post 100, Invisibility wrote:
like describe what you see here specifically in Delta town cuz it is not as obvious as you think it is
Town Delta is way more confrontational then Scum Delta, could be playing to meta, but i think it's good enough for this early.
though 105 feels a bit wonky even then, though Delta has a habit of arguing semantics a lot.
if you find some wonkiness in Delta's play how come it should be obvious that Delta is town to me? Still don't get this vote.
I've been back and forth as to whether or not Jason is town for their vote on me cuz like it kind of gave me genuine vibes vs it suggesting being informed like Black said. Ok now that I'm putting this into words I can barely justify the former so the latter is much more likely. 110 makes Jason's conviction even weirder
In post 165, Black wrote:
another no lim/cut the discussion post. How could this possibly be good for town? I know I said I'm not a mech person but cutting discussion short seems like it would be harmful in any setup
yeah I was just trusting that everyone else knew what they were talking about LOL
I'm a little surprised by this answer. I guess I just thought that you would know better since you seem pretty experienced
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Post #190 (isolation #31) » Tue Jun 06, 2023 11:10 am
Postby Invisibility »
I don't have a problem with you TRing Delta (I think Delta is kind townie myself), but I fail to see why it should've been obvious to me that Delta is town
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Post #263 (isolation #34) » Wed Jun 07, 2023 8:23 am
Postby Invisibility »
In post 262, Kowahbunga wrote:
I was trying to convey how much I would no lim. I've already said this day is fine to get info from because it will benefit the targeting of the powers.
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Post #264 (isolation #35) » Wed Jun 07, 2023 8:24 am
Postby Invisibility »
In post 246, Kowahbunga wrote:
176 and 183 make me feel like Donempire knows the roleblocker is town. Also 180 gives out a town read to someone for not wanting mech talk, unless I'm confused isn't suggesting where a roleblocker should go and mathing out the liklihood a roleblocker stops a night kill "mech talk" or do I not understand what mech talk means?
VOTE: donempire
weren't other people also talking like they assumed the RB would be town? That's weird reason to single out Donempire on
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Post #296 (isolation #43) » Wed Jun 07, 2023 2:44 pm
Postby Invisibility »
In post 247, Bingle wrote:
Like 80% of the thread has been mech talk, and there's really no point to it today. The tl;dr is pick your target based on your own personal thoughts to prevent scum from playing around any publicly assigned choices. We decide whether the flips suggest we should claim targets tomorrow, full claim tomorrow, or claim nothing tomorrow. If we full claim, we discuss whether those choices make sense. If we don't, we continue playing the game of mafia.
I feel like 80% of your posts have been about mech talk lol
In post 246, Kowahbunga wrote:
176 and 183 make me feel like Donempire knows the roleblocker is town. Also 180 gives out a town read to someone for not wanting mech talk, unless I'm confused isn't suggesting where a roleblocker should go and mathing out the liklihood a roleblocker stops a night kill "mech talk" or do I not understand what mech talk means?
VOTE: donempire
weren't other people also talking like they assumed the RB would be town? That's weird reason to single out Donempire on
If they did, I didn't notice it or it didn't stick out to me like it did with Donempire.
186 and 197 do. They did come shortly after Don's posts but I'm not sure how much that matters. Still think you're reading too much into it
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Post #379 (isolation #45) » Fri Jun 09, 2023 7:04 am
Postby Invisibility »
In post 376, Political Clout wrote:
so far a lot of people that is my feeling has said it's town v town. I think I can institute wisdom of the crowds here and say I'm wrong I would like fresh eyes to look at the interaction and see what they say first.
this faltering feels bad VOTE: PC plus looking through their ISO I have a hard time finding content that actually goes somewhere
I have a hard time not engaging mech talk because it's like... my existence on site. I genuinely don't want to talk mech in this case because the more we talk about mech D1 the more scum can glean from said talk and try to mitigate the benefits of our PRs when we do hit claim day.
I also think that I don't really have a choice in doing so when my biggest scumread at the moment is a result of someone arguing what I see to be mutually exclusive mech points.
like this feels so much like PC is dipping their toe in the water, asking everyone what they think of Black so that they can know how safe it is to make this push. This behavior is made even scummier since PC isn't voting Black
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Post #428 (isolation #49) » Sat Jun 10, 2023 8:26 am
Postby Invisibility »
In post 426, Donempire wrote:
As for post 184, kowah's theory also has to be refuted in mechanical terms, and you'll see that i try not to emphasize the mech part over the practical part.
I see your concern however, and i'm fine elaborating.
did this help you solve or was it more of a clarifying thing