Micro 1085: Even/Odd Killers [GAME OVER]

[JasonWazza]

Votecount 1.12

Appearance (3) - Thestatusquo, Merlyn, Roden
Thestatusquo (2) - Donempire, sheepsaysmeep
donempire (1) - Datisi
Datisi (1) - Deltabreedy
Deltabreedy (1) - fireisredsir

Not voting (1) - Appearance

(expired on 2023-07-05 18:05:27) remain until day end

With 9 players alive, it takes 5 to reach a majority.

[Deltabreedy]

I'm open to reassessing

When I'm told why I should lmao - feigning outrage like this isn't terribly convincing.

[Datisi]

that's not fair fire, what do you mean you read games for meta instead of just making vibe assumptions??

also, a question to everyone other than delta: do i sound outraged there?

[Deltabreedy]

For context I avoid meta reading because it's fairly easy when you've played a while and are aware of your meta to play towards or away from metas.

And again, it's quite reductive to say that all of my reads are assumptions and rigid, and even more so to say that it's all based on vibes. All you've done over the last page and a half is attempt to discredit rather than attempt to explain where it's wrong.

You've done this by feigning outrage, by appealing to the playerbase, insinuating that my line of reasoning comes from a position of attacking your character and you've failed to actually engage with anything that I said outside of the vote on you.

You've literally focused in on discreditting my argument whilst on a 'serene night walk'. Why aren't you focusing in on telling me why my read is wrong rather than accusing me of things I haven't done.

[Deltabreedy]

Its bizarre to be honest

[fireisredsir]

Spoiler: 4 posts of datisi's initial reaction being trying to explain why you're wrong in a very reasonable manner

Datisi's #59 disregards by omission the possibility of hitting scum or SK with a powerlim on Sheep.

what? i specifically said in the post that i don't think it's be a good move even if we hit scum with a quick yeet there

*Snip*
we lose a full day, then tomorrow we yeet that person and either they're scum (which like, meh) or it's a townie who wanted to be funny and then we lose TWO days and no
*Snip*

No, you didn't.

You said we lose a full day today, then everything after that point refers to the D2 lim. I've highlighted it below:

*Snip*
we lose a full day,
*Snip*

No mention of scumhood here
And then

*Snip*
then tomorrow we yeet that person and either they're scum (which like, meh) or it's a townie who wanted to be funny

and then we lose TWO days

and no
*Snip*

You completely disregarded the possibility of the lim hitting scum by virtue of saying that 2 days would be wasted which struck me as scummy.

Suggesting by omission that they aren't scum suggested to me a level of knowledge about the game. Can't be an SK with that level of knowledge about the game so has to be scum IMO.

oh, i see what you mean now. i was responding to shea's 57 there, which says that

If someone lol hammers it would probably be way more informative than what usually happens on page 2 of a game

it would be informative - i figured the assumption was made that the person getting lolhammered would flip green (because if they were red, then any sort of information about the lolhammerer kind of pales in comparison to actually having a red flip), and the "it would be informative" surely wasn't talking about the person potentially getting hammered because we'd know their alignment soon enough

also, i've never seen scum getting lolhammered on page 2, but i have seen town getting lolhammered on page two. so i would be making the assumption that, if anyone does get hammered on page 2, it's going to be a townie

and, technically speaking: even if i were scum, i still cannot have the level of knowledge to know whether the quickhammer on day 1 is going to flip town or not, so ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ

and, technically speaking: even if i were scum, i still cannot have the level of knowledge to know whether the quickhammer on day 1 is going to flip town or not, so ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ

This is a non-sequitur - you would know whether or not it would flip scum which is the key distinction.

Would it flip town? Maybe. Would it flip SK? Maybe. But the thing that you avoided was that chance of it flipping scum, that's where the omission occurs and that's why I think its scummy.

i know it's a non-sequitur, i'm poking fun at your 277, which claimed:
"Datisi's #59 disregards by omission the possibility of hitting scum or SK with a powerlim on Sheep."
which implies that i am informed in two ways, which. you know. you get why it's false.

then, when i say "scum" i'm generally referring to any non-town. with 284 being an exception because i was responding to you there.

finally, omission: yes, i was assuming a quickhammer wouldn't flip scum. this is because (1) the conversation was going in that direction, (2) i have never seen a p2 quickhammer flip not-town.

[fireisredsir]

You've done this by feigning outrage, by appealing to the playerbase, insinuating that my line of reasoning comes from a position of attacking your character and you've failed to actually engage with anything that I said outside of the vote on you.

like this is so blatantly untrue that my immediate reaction is to think like datisi did of "scum wouldn't double down on just completely misrepresenting things this hard, would they?"

but i think he is the type of scum player who might

[Deltabreedy]

#279 did not address my line of reasoning.

#283 once again did not address the accusation of slipping by omission.

#284 addresses it, but categorises it by attempting to say that mechanically scum can't know that someone is town. That is true, but they do know who scum is which was the point of what I said. Therefore, Datisi dodged it again.

#289 admits that #284 is irrelevant as a non-sequitur. It also then seems to be an attempt to tie me up in semantics - which is something that people have successfully countered my arguments before. By putting semantic waffle in the way, it clouds and distracts my point. The last part of it addressing it is entirely weak and doesn't actually prove anything. When taken in the context of a number of posts that duck and dive the accusation, it's not enough to overturn what I said.

Following this, they change arguments into essentially accusing my read of being based on an ad-hominem and then you come in to defend them because... I don't know.

Either way, I'm keen on letting Datisi answer the accusations against Datisi - so if it's all the same to you, stop defending them. They're more than capable themselves.

Ninja'd:
It's not untrue at all. Quotes incoming.

[Deltabreedy]

You've done this by feigning outrage, by appealing to the playerbase, insinuating that my line of reasoning comes from a position of attacking your character and you've failed to actually engage with anything that I said outside of the vote on you.

like this is so blatantly untrue that my immediate reaction is to think like datisi did of "scum wouldn't double down on just completely misrepresenting things this hard, would they?"

but i think he is the type of scum player who might

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Here's where those things happened:

Spoiler: Feigning Outrage

also it feels to me that most of your case around me is built on the assumption that i'm noobscum or that i don't know how to play scum which like always

annoys the shit out of me

lmao

@delta (am on mobile so no quote surgery)

that's not something you put forward, but i can very clearly see it's implied.

because people don't accuse good scum of "perspective slipping" and "no intent behind scumhunting"

again, because your view of my slot is garbage

and i'm trying to change your mind and/or see whether you really believe it

why should i be telling you where to vote. you can read the game and see who i've expressed suspicion on and who i'm voting right now

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Spoiler: Appealing to the Playerbase

that's not fair fire, what do you mean you read games for meta instead of just making vibe assumptions??

also, a question to everyone other than delta: do i sound outraged there?

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Spoiler: Insinuating that my line of reasoning comes from a position of attacking their character

you're accusing me of something that realistically, only very incompetent scum ever makes a mistake on, but then you're claiming you're not accusing me of being a noob

dude

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And they haven't passed comment that I've seen on my Shea read, on my Appearance or Merlyn reads or even my null reads. They've not passed comment on anything other than the vote on them.

[Deltabreedy]

Just a note for everyone that I'll minimally active on Friday and very lightly active on Saturday as I'll be at a funeral. Don't expect much/owt from me on Friday.

[Deltabreedy]

@Mod: Reference #334 above

[Roden]

that's not fair fire, what do you mean you read games for meta instead of just making vibe assumptions??

also, a question to everyone other than delta: do i sound outraged there?

[JasonWazza]

@Mod: Reference #334 above

Acknowledged

[Roden]

that's not fair fire, what do you mean you read games for meta instead of just making vibe assumptions??

also, a question to everyone other than delta: do i sound outraged there?

Real answer, not really but you do sound annoyed. Which could be interpreted as outrage if one wanted to be uncharitable.

[Datisi]

"feigning outrage", "appealing to the playerbase" and "accusation of attacking my character" are very uh. extremely uncharitable interpretations of those posts.

They've not passed comment on anything other than the vote on them.

yeah bc i don't really care about your other content right now

i'm probably gonna stop responding to this line of convo right now because i think there's probably nothing else productive gonna come from it

[Deltabreedy]

Either way it's fake. The reaction came when their ducking and diving didn't work so it switched to wholesale discrediting my argument.

So if you want to get specific, it's neither outrage or annoyance.

[Deltabreedy]

They've not passed comment on anything other than the vote on them.

yeah bc i don't really care about your other content right now

Why don't you care?
Why are you

only

concerned about how you look to me?

[Datisi]

They've not passed comment on anything other than the vote on them.

yeah bc i don't really care about your other content right now

Why don't you care?
Why are you

only

concerned about how you look to me?

because i find it easiest to sort people when questioning their read on my slot, rather than on other slots

[fireisredsir]

there was no ducking and diving he literally directly addressed your point and explained his thought process behind the post and you pretended he didn't and are still pretending he didn't

[Deltabreedy]

But the only reason you think content is drying up from this line of discussion (on which I disagree by the way, we've learned that Fire's basically a Rottweiler when it comes to defending you) is because you're solely focused on my read on you.

Why not shift the discussion elsewhere and keep it going, as opposed to derailing it?

[Deltabreedy]

there was no ducking and diving he literally directly addressed your point and explained his thought process behind the post and you pretended he didn't and are still pretending he didn't

Nope, he categorically didn't. I've explained why.

[Deltabreedy]

@Datisi: What would you like to talk about that isn't my read on you?

There's changing the conversation and there is ending it, and there's a difference.

[fireisredsir]

there was no ducking and diving he literally directly addressed your point and explained his thought process behind the post and you pretended he didn't and are still pretending he didn't

Nope, he categorically didn't. I've explained why.

just because you said that 283 isn't a valid response doesn't mean that it isn't

that is very directly addressing your point and explaining why he made the post in the way that he did

and that explanation seems way more reasonable and likely than yours, being that he scumslipped lol

[Roden]

Delta you aren't the only one in this game who's found something about Datisi to be a bit scummy, but the thing you're focusing isn't very compelling. From what I understand, it isn't the only thing you found scummy either, so maybe pursue other aspects of your case? Or look back at what others have said when they expressed suspicion?

[JasonWazza]

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