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[humaneatingmonkey]

But you can do more than one posts in this game... It's entirely fair observation for me to make.

[clidd]

Have you played with gera before clidd? Do you know much about him as a player?

Yes, I did. My previous game was with him on Mini 2273 (viewtopic.php?t=89555).

He was scum there and did basically nothing significant on D1.

I am 100% scum this game then

Ok, not really but could you at least tell me any (game related) impressions to help me read you?

It doesn't need to be super elaborate, just level 1 reads. That's assuming you're coming from an uninformed perspective, of course.

[OopsieDaisy]

Now that I'm also getting led out of defense mode and back into scumreading mode I am starting to realise I do not like Tweet's posts that much at all. Nothing there offended me or made me want to comment on it on first look but HEM prompting me for my thoughts has made me realise yea I don't like Tweet's thoughts there.

HEM has that gotcha thing that rubbed me the wrong way that makes me morally want to scumread him, but there's no denying he's actually got me scumhunting again and well that's an amazingly town thing to want to get out of someone.

Yea I'm hopping back on the Tweet vote I actually believe in this right now.

VOTE: Morning Tweet

[OopsieDaisy]

But you can do more than one posts in this game... It's entirely fair observation for me to make.

I can, but I wasn't exactly in the space at that point where I wanted to comment. Felt like something I could worry about doing later ykno. As I said I prioritise the questions over diving into my own thoughts on people's posts, especially when I did feel like I was coming under attack.

[humaneatingmonkey]

I'll give you space if that's what you need.

[OopsieDaisy]

I'll be honest I was also like, just sat on the sofa with my gf watching a tv show with her. I wasn't about to ditch her to go write my Tweet case I hadn't even realised existed lol

[humaneatingmonkey]

There's no case still, but I'll wait for it!

[OopsieDaisy]

There's no case still, but I'll wait for it!

Ok yea it's not a "case" as much as it was me reading her posts over again as you ask me for my reads and realising "o wait yea i rly don't like these posts", but shh we don't need to tell anyone that :3

[humaneatingmonkey]

Can we talk about that then?

What about her posts strike you as scum-indicative? You disagree with her Elements reads, that's clear. I'm just not sure how that would make her scum?

[geraintm]

I have zero interest in eliminating Oopsie today

[OopsieDaisy]

Can we talk about that then?

What about her posts strike you as scum-indicative? You disagree with her Elements reads, that's clear. I'm just not sure how that would make her scum?

It's the lack of content. Like bar the scumread on El what has she rly said? (It's a null read on me and a slight town on Klick). It's part of why I glossed over her posts initially, there just wasn't anything there that made me wanna comment, and that's worrying for a slot I expected to get a little more from. Tho tbf, I let up on the pressure with the switch onto the Gera wagon, so this is me also just reapplying it with some added context.

[OopsieDaisy]

I have zero interest in eliminating Oopsie today

<3

[clidd]

I have zero interest in eliminating Oopsie today

Right, that's a start.

And what about Tweet/Klick/HEM?

Briefly reading the game, do you feel the same way?

[humaneatingmonkey]

It's the lack of content.

Did she have a different in the opening of your game?

And what about Tweet/Klick/HEM?

What do we have here clidd?

[OopsieDaisy]

It's the lack of content.

Did she have a different in the opening of your game?

Yea she was a lot more active and I preferred her proactive approach in that game to her more reactive play today.

Now, she WAS scum in that game which does plonk a great big hole in my argument, but I need to go for a bit so I'm just gonna let this sit for a bit lmaoo.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Alright. See you soon, Daisy!

[OopsieDaisy]

Well, she did get a lot less active Day 2 and that's when I voted her so maybe I'm just opening up holes in my argument that aren't there. Hmm...

Ok actually going now I definitely don't have problems disengaging whaaa

[clidd]

@HEM

Well, I'm not implying the three of you are paired (if that's what it sounded like).

[humaneatingmonkey]

If there are scumreads being thrown around here, I wanna know about it -- especially when my name's mentioned!

[clidd]

Hum, so you think I'm suspecting the trio?

Not really, but if there was at least one scum among those I would probably be inclined to consider you by poe.

[clidd]

Speaking of which,

@Tweet

Hey (good to see you by the way).

Does your instance of Daisy still remain the same after page 10?

[humaneatingmonkey]

I misunderstood then. And of course you would.

What's your opinion of Daisy's slot?

[geraintm]

I have zero interest in eliminating Oopsie today

Right, that's a start.

And what about Tweet/Klick/HEM?

Briefly reading the game, do you feel the same way?

No thoughts on them

[Morning Tweet]

When I say 'keep it cool' I mean more in the context of how Elements usually plays
I didn't sense any real drive behind her posting in that game even though as a shell the idea was 'play to make stuff happen'
In contrast I feel like she's actually motivated to do that here

I see what you're saying, I think Ele had very little direction in that game (sometimes they had pieces of posting that looked really towny in a vacuum but putting it all together it made much more sense Ele was just making things up as they go along rather than spitting off the top of the dome from genuine thought)

how I play mafia

This is what's suspicious to me. It seems like your focusing is too much on signaling that this is how you play mafia, and less focused on actually playing mafia. Does that make sense?

I think so? Like you're seeing my explanations regarding my play as a ploy to look good rather than engaging with the game itself? Even if the explanations themselves do make sense the fact I'm "wasting" time explaining everything in detail is detracting from actually making reads n pushes which the game needs.

I'm not sure Oopsy has really overdone talking about their own play. I think a response to klick was warranted

what

EBWOP

I think the intent of your posts has been to performatively show people your thought process and I think you care about that more than the thoughts themselves

You'll have my vote if you can demonstrate this to me. I'll vote you if you can't.

I'm not particularly interested in making a case on it, I'd rather people read a general description of the behaviour and come to their own conclusions because that means a lot more than following the words of someone else.

I initially voted because I felt like Oopsie's reasoning in 101 was weak; it feels really general to the point where I doubt it was the literal thought process that went through her head and feels more like an overly detailed description of what she believes she thinks like when she's town

Then her progression onto gera in 151/152 felt like unnecessary positioning. I don't think she actually thinks there's much to get out of wagoning gera. The intent behind the post feels like it's to provide a reason for her shift in vote rather than actual interest in shifting her vote.

The first part (doubting Oopsys belief of reasoning) is exactly what I was thinking

I am kind of curious i basically had the same thought as Ele had said immediately after Oopsy voted gera:

Given what you've previously said about Gera, why do you think a wagon there would accomplish anything?

I dont think voting Gera was bad, but the amount of reasoning that Oopsy gave after Ele challenged the vote felt like overdoing it

I'm not super worked up about it though

Also kind of simmering to the idea I'm scumreading the way Elements usually plays

In Magical Girls I was serious when i said my only reference of scum ele was Chara's Folly which I dont remember Ele doing the lets shake it up I LOVE D1 thing, but at least monkey and someone else confirm

UNVOTE:

i was mentally begging myself not to open up the game, will never get my classwork done

[clidd]

@HEM

I think there are plausible reasons, as Klick commented, to suspect her, but I particularly don't sympathize with it.

The reason is that I had a good impression of her tone when posting, as well as the feeling of genuineness on some reactions.

I understand that inconsistency and cognitive dissonance are scummy aspects and therefore should be questioned, but when I put it on my personal balance of positives vs negatives, the positive impression ends up weighing more heavily.