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[humaneatingmonkey]

But I was pretty sure I noticed a difference and i'd probably convince myself i'm right if i played a few games and got it right

I can forgive the read if it was anything else other than "Monkey hasn't been doing any scheming in this game." There are plenty of ways to read me, a lot of good players do and I sometimes experiment to get around their filters. But seriously "Monkey isn't doing scheming" is not only a ridiculous claim, a ridiculous reason to townread me, and unbelievable to be coming from an uninformed Roden.

[Klick]

Daisy doesn't feel any urgency in responding to Morning Tweet, a slot she thinks she can sort and whose reaction she's waiting for, is exactly what I feel. It tells me that she isn't consistent with what she says her thoughts and motivations are.

I have trouble putting myself into this thought process and like... believing it?

How confident were you in this as an argument at the time?

[humaneatingmonkey]

Not confident. It's page 9, it was microscope time. Right now, she gets a day pass.

[Klick]

I actually quite like OopsieDaisy's posting on 9/10

I think what we actually did earlier was fairly effectively establish a town schema and a scum schema for OopsieDaisy and I think the town one is more believable

[Roden]

How can you know that Daisy didn't feel any urgency in responding to Tweet? That sounds pretty unbelievable to be coming from an uninformed humaneatingmonkey.

[Klick]

@HEM

I think there are plausible reasons, as Klick commented, to suspect her, but I particularly don't sympathize with it.

The reason is that I had a good impression of her tone when posting, as well as the feeling of genuineness on some reactions.

I understand that inconsistency and cognitive dissonance are scummy aspects and therefore should be questioned, but when I put it on my personal balance of positives vs negatives, the positive impression ends up weighing more heavily.

Lmao so basically what clidd said.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Good question. I demonstrated it.

Second, it seems that her original manifesto of pressuring Morning Tweet (to sort her because she's the one she can read the best) isn't even followed through. Morning Tweet has engaged her and she was also here, but just focused on defending herself and didn't even acknowledge Morning Tweet. Consistent with what I thought she'll do as scum.

Second, it seems that her original manifesto of pressuring Morning Tweet (to sort her because she's the one she can read the best) isn't even followed through. Morning Tweet has engaged her and she was also here, but just focused on defending herself and didn't even acknowledge Morning Tweet. Consistent with what I thought she'll do as scum.

You asked me a direct question so I responded? And now I'm scummy for that cause I prioritised that response over analysing some fluffy posts from Tweet that were basically a scumread on El I disagreed with and question marks on me?

Which she confirms. This has been well-established. You were even there.
It was true. She prioritized me instead of engaging Morning Tweet. It's just that it isn't alignment-indicative.

[humaneatingmonkey]

How can you know that Daisy didn't feel any urgency in responding to Tweet? That sounds pretty unbelievable to be coming from an uninformed humaneatingmonkey.

Nice try though, informed Roden!

[Morning Tweet]

I wasn't saying 'I found you towny earlier and your recent content is scummy'. It was more 'I'm not caught up but this last page looks scummy for Tweet, will I change my mind when I'm caught up?'

Sorry

So Tweet, I should tell you. Roden should not have the confidence to tell us here that I have not been doing trickster shit. Because I do trickster shit, monkey-style.

The idea that scum!Roden wouldn't townread me here and put me on null sounds like a good reason, until you remember that people can try out new stuff and make mistakes. It was very easy to townread me then, most people townread me. He probably thought it was a novel thing to do.

I mean, I could be wrong. I don't decide alone who gets eliminated. It takes 7 to eliminate on Day 1. However, I'm so so so confident that Roden's scum here. All I ask is to be heard, which you did Morning Tweet thank you. You even read the games. If you read the other two, you'll see how massively Roden misrepresented his ability to detect me. Mwah.

i definitely believe you when you say you go trickster monkey mode bonanza

After reading the one game I agree it's not enough to take that game and be confident here

i don't really know what scum!Roden would be inclined you read you as to be honest. Maybe town maybe null makes sense.

I am more favourable to the idea that Roden could be misrepresenting how good he can read you by linking that game (after reading the other game). Although he did read you right, it wasn't like a confrontation at all and roden wasnt rlly the one you were primarily interacting with plus Roden didnt vote you til the end so Yeah

for my homework I'll probably focus on what exactly Roden was claiming he knew abt you (Every time I hear the word scheming I just lose track of what was even being said). And the games

It's not unbelievable that Roden would find you Towny in of itself, its more in the details about what is being claimed (something something SCHEMING))))))))))))))) and the other games. I think it's definitely possible Roden linking those games was overdoing the amount of confience he should have

I'm not going to ask Roden what exactly he found towny about you itd be redudntant and such ill reread when im awake tomorrow good niiiite

[Roden]

How can you know that Daisy didn't feel any urgency in responding to Tweet? That sounds pretty unbelievable to be coming from an uninformed humaneatingmonkey.

Nice try though, informed Roden!

Whoa

You mean to tell me that linking a post that backs up your line of thought is enough to show your line of thought

Why didn't I think of that

[Roden]

Oh wait

[humaneatingmonkey]

Linking posts that demonstrate timeline and has confirmation of what is being claimed IS enough to show it.
I claim she has not prioritized sorting morning tweet, and she agrees!

It's not too late! You can prove to us specifically how you can determine that I have not been scheming in this game.
In fact, that's the first thing you should do after this post!

[Klick]

I wish I could read Geraintm, but figuring out his alignment is like playing a slot machine and the house always wins

Lmfao relatable

[Klick]

HEM also feels very town. He's pretty straightforward and direct as either alignment, but I notice he likes to scheme a lot more as scum, and I haven't seen any of that so far. More so just poking and prodding to get people to post complete thoughts and follow ups.

This conversation actually started all the way back here lol

I feel like Elements is town for similar reasons. They look like they're just having fun, and I think it's unlikely that they would be hyper posting like this if they rolled scum twice in a row.

I'm surprised you think this is AI? I think Elements is town but hyperposting isn't really why

[Klick]

I'm through Page 12, will be back in a few hours
This is about where I'm at

TOWN
Elements

LEANING TOWN
OopsieDaisy
clidd
curiouskarmadog

NULL
geraintm
Greeting
Emperor flippyNips
Takutai
furtiveglance
humaneatingmonkey

LEANING SCUM
Roden
Morning Tweet

[geraintm]

VOTE: geraintm

On a re-read geraintm seemed townier than Emperor. That's like deciding which of a durian or a marula is more of a fruit.

I cannot parse this post

[geraintm]

VOTE: EFN

VOTE: Emperor flippyNips

VOTE: Nips

VOTE: Emperor flippyNips

Are you alive?

My god this isn't pure, but it is Still likely only 1 out of 4 and still no better than random

[Elements]

VOTE: takutai

[clidd]

Tweet is looking good on these two pages.

[clidd]

While I don't agree with everything, her perspective on the HEM vs Roden discussion struck me as towny, since she took the time to read the games in a substantial way and drew individual conclusions that actually meant something, not just *filling* empty space. I also liked the ''DAMN'' reaction to my impression on her (kindly note that I was not discrediting your scumgame, just commenting on what I think).

Of course, I still reserve a certain amount of paranoia regarding a world of me underestimating scum!Tweet, but for now I'm interpreting the effort as most likely positive than not.

[clidd]

Ok, after a reread the picture in my mind is something like this:

Town

Daisy
Klick

Leaning town

Tweet
Greeting

Nullish - Fine, but there may be scum among them

Roden
HEM
Elements
Furtive
Takutai

Nullish - Inactive but does not give scummy vibes, so should be given a chance

Flippy

Nullish - Burn

Gera
Karma

[clidd]

I would rather see something from Flippy now.

A lot has happened and we have nothing from his pov in any event.

[furtiveglance]

Right now I have:

Town:
HEM
You (Elements)

Some towny stuff:
Daisy
Klick
Roden

Neutral:
Greeting
MT
Emperor
CKD

Vote targets:
Clidd
Geraint
Takutai

Can you expand on your reads on: me,

Elements

,

Klick

and

Roden

?

I think my only experience with scum Elements was modding HMS Mutiny, and their content was a lot more superficial/jokey than it has been this game.

Klick's posting has been broadly in line with my experience of his towngame, although I will say when I've played with scum Klick it took me a while to clock it.

I already explained my townread on Roden a bit in 579.

I have you as neutral just because I don't think you've done anything especially towny. Do you think you have?

[furtiveglance]

Ok, after a reread the picture in my mind is something like this:

Town

Daisy
Klick

Leaning town

Tweet
Greeting

Nullish - Fine, but there may be scum among them

Roden
HEM
Elements
Furtive
Takutai

Nullish - Inactive but does not give scummy vibes, so should be given a chance

Flippy

Nullish - Burn

Gera
Karma

Why haven't the nullish group - especially the top 3 of those - done enough to be read by you? They've posted a lot.

[OopsieDaisy]

@Oopsie

Could you lay out where human is scheming most prominently to you

The most clear example to me is how this passage of play went down:

In 198, HEM asks me a question regarding his read on me, and seemingly wants to clarify if the conclusion he's coming to makes sense to him.

I respond in 199, taking the post at face value and responding to his question.

But then 207 drops, and HEM reveals the reason he asked me this question was to show that I was more interested in defending myself than responding to your posts that had come about an hour earlier, despite the fact that I was wanting to pressure you at the time.

It's small scale scheming, but it's scheming to me. However Roden's definition of scheming is more about the longer-term manipulations so this point didn't end up holding much weight in the end.