Pokemon Battles 2 - Attack on Giratina [GAME OVER]

[Flavor Leaf]

Black (4) Rathe, Not_Mafia, Flavor Leaf, Klick

I keep going back to this.

This was end of Day 1. Klick and I had just been soul pairing up, and Klick dies. The other two other than me on the wagon have yet to flip also.

If Italiano is town like I think they are, then I feel it highly indicates Black Scum.

Post game, if this turns out to be true, this is 100% correct.

[Flavor Leaf]

like flavor i think you should factor in how someone might genuinely not like ur style and consider it NAI in how they react and respond in such a way you can pull out the parts that won't be useful for your hunting but you tend to just take it as it all means something to grander plan or conspiracy against you when often its just not.

Some things might just be a personality conflict.

I really dont think that's the issue here. sure, that can be, but it's completely fair of me to question Black, and it feels they just dont like being questioned/pressured here.

Like I'm playing the game and pushing my scum read.

If Black is town, based on their willing to lim list, our reads are just on two opposite sides, which also makes sense why we would be on a direct block.

I'm not gonna be apologetic for playing the game and pressuring my scum reads. that's just silly.

[Flavor Leaf]

like flavor i think you should factor in how someone might genuinely not like ur style and consider it NAI in how they react and respond in such a way you can pull out the parts that won't be useful for your hunting but you tend to just take it as it all means something to grander plan or conspiracy against you when often its just not.

Some things might just be a personality conflict.

like this is just extra silly considering i've been bringing up reasons multiple day phases outside of it being directed with me as well, and generally on gamestate.

[Flavor Leaf]

Like, I'm generally pretty good at seeing when it's strictly a personality clash.

Sure, there could be some, but end of the day, it would be more because I'm pressuring and the way I'm pressuring, not prior to me pressuring.

It's not a grander plan or conspiracy against me, it's a legitimate piece of the puzzle, and the most valid considering I'm the only one besides the scum team who knows with certainty my alignment, so I would argue often it just is, but for that piece of the pie. There are just a lot other pieces of the pie.

[Firebringer]

not saying u should be apologetic or not pressure black here.
But i don't think ur that good at recognizing the personality conflicts.

[Flavor Leaf]

not saying u should be apologetic or not pressure black here.
But i don't think ur that good at recognizing the personality conflicts.

i keep personal out of it on purpose, all on gameplay for me. people have used personality conflicts to hide from me as scum back in the Boonskiies days, so learned real fast to cut the personal out when it comes to the gameplay side of things.

[Flavor Leaf]

had i not been pushing them, theyd be fine here.

[Flavor Leaf]

not saying u should be apologetic or not pressure black here.
But i don't think ur that good at recognizing the personality conflicts.

i think im great at it, i just move forward past it and play the game.

[ItalianoVD]

for the record i just don't want to be on the wagon

because

you are pushing it.

There is an implication here that it does in fact hold some merit, but because you scumread me you don't wanna admit that it does. Am I right in assuming this? Or am I way off-base?

BTW where is your head right now? Have you fully caught-up? What are your reads looking like?

i feel like there's a few wagons i could compromise to (i'm not drawing this set out explicitly because i'm lazy. i can if someone asks though ig)

Who are these wagons you'd be willing to consolidate to?

[ItalianoVD]

VOTE: Black

[Chandra Nalaar]

titus case

i haven't given titus too much scrutiny cause i assumed she was town vig. you bother her a lot for not pushing drew but i'm pretty sure she killed him. i didn't discuss this too much but italiano already mentioned and apparently titus already claimed to do damage so there's that.

I was under the impression Titus was not claiming to be able to actually kill anyone.

also why do you need to ask if there's an investigative? like you seem self-conscious about tipping your hand by implying you aren't an investigative and it seems like any answer to your question about investigatives is quite a bit worse

It was mostly rhetorical but fair enough

If there are no investigative abilities aligned with town of any significance it would point me to the idea that claim is fake

[Chandra Nalaar]

VOTE: Black

Black completely ignored my questioning of when I lead.

Italiano asked the same thing.

You've been trying to lead all game. What a weird thing to get caught up on and defensive about

I'm ok being limmed. Mafia isn't really fun to me anymore

Yes, I have been trying to lead. Unsuccessfully.

If anything I'd like to see more effort there, I certainly agree that you haven't really been leading but I find that troubling.

[Flavor Leaf]

I’ve just been trying to coast until late game to solve.

It should make sense eventually.

[SirCakez]

Reading reading

[SirCakez]

My worry with Kitty/DGB elim is it just feels like another iteration of the scummy low content player elim where we will maybe hit scum maybe not
I'm not really interested in a town block ATM, we haven't even flipped a group scum yet

Yeah, that’s where I’m at too with DGB. I kind of just want to deal in Black and Italiano, tbh, but nobody seems to scum read either of them anymore.

Italiano is kinda the same thing as DGB no?

[SirCakez]

Also re; NM discourse - I think there is evidence at this point that he is actually scum (like town NM will do SOMETHING) as opposed to just a nothing lim so he's gotta go but not right now

[Titus]

What the hell people? I've been afk for surgery and work prep but not a single wagon again.

I know it's 10 days until deadline but are you really going to want me to hero solve tomorrow if I can? Someone needs to do something.

*sees length of thread and doesn't want to read*

Post contributing things only please.

VOTE: Italiano

[Flavor Leaf]

well, we had a wagon on DGB and now we have a wagon on Black.

But the way things look, it looks like a possible Italiano vs Black wagon again.

[Flavor Leaf]

My worry with Kitty/DGB elim is it just feels like another iteration of the scummy low content player elim where we will maybe hit scum maybe not
I'm not really interested in a town block ATM, we haven't even flipped a group scum yet

Yeah, that’s where I’m at too with DGB. I kind of just want to deal in Black and Italiano, tbh, but nobody seems to scum read either of them anymore.

Italiano is kinda the same thing as DGB no?

What do you mean?

I've town read Italiano slot since Day 1.

[Save The Dragons]

VOTE: italiano

[ItalianoVD]

This is where I’m at right now and I think my solve is pretty efficient if you ask me. Not sure how different/similar this list is from my townies, but I think this is it.

Town

Leaf
Chandra
Wheme
Meuh
Bianco
Merlyn
Firebringer

SOLVE
Cakez
Not_Mafia
Yimmy
Titus
DGB
Black
Save the Dragons

[Chandra Nalaar]

@Titus - I brought up some points against you that you should go and read. I don't require any response, but it is only fair to give you the opportunity.

[Chandra Nalaar]

Id like to know what the Italiano voters, other than Yimmy, think of his content today. I have liked it.

[Chandra Nalaar]

Leaf, Black, Cakez are players I need to analyze.

I've been putting off the former two because ugh bleh so many posts.

[Chandra Nalaar]

I frequently forget Cakez is even in this game.