Newbie 2126: Art [Game Over]

[Eiralox]

This is probably the most time and effort I've ever

wasted

put into a mafia game lol.

And I thought you were Merlyn here. The above posts do look very very townie.

[Wayward Son]

For some odd reason I was falsely assuming that only townies could get a message from a Friendly Neighbor. After reading the sample PM, I see I'm wrong. I've never played with one before.

Eiralox isn't as confirmed as I thought.

RP's claim and then backtracking is weird but I can't for the life of me figure out why a scum would do something like that. Hopefully RP's replacement will bring a little clarity to the issue.

I'm gonna call it quits for tonight. Tomorrow I'll start delving into ISOs and hopefully get some better insight.

[Alianna]

Subject to change, but for now:

VOTE: skitter30

E-2.

Is camel feeling good here? I'm not so sure about them and not so sure about you so for now I'm alerting you I'm not so sure about this vote(yes, skitter has still felt scummier than you.)(no, i haven't read all your posts yet)(yes I know I'm pushing you on nothing but if skitter is town here I'm not going to make things easy for scum)

camel is that slot that is dead null in my reads, has done nothing I read as towny but also nothing egregiously scummy, and that I think would be very easy to execute. Paranoid Vibe Brain says it would be too easy. I have not yet decided if Paranoid Vibe Brain is worth listening to.

[Alianna]

Welcome Wayward, sorry I didn't say that!

This is probably the most time and effort I've ever

wasted

put into a mafia game lol.

Someday Alianna we'll look back on this and be laughing- 'remember that newbie game where people just started fakeclaiming left and right?'

Lol yeah, what a game this has been.

[Eiralox]

You're assuming that just because something is possible, it is probable.

The exact wording I thought I should have used at the time, right after posting or maybe while typing but I forgot, is 'can be a bad play.'

I'll put it like this, I think it's possible while I feel it's probable. And yes, scum skitter would want me to believe that and puh town radical so I'm aware how wrong I can be but like I said I'm operating off vibes so what everyone keeps telling me is insane is just what I've felt most of this game. And my life maybe but that's not relevant.

I also thought I was talking to Merlyn here. If you feel like a confirmed town then yeah I think there are scum motivation for what you're but I need to start taking stances at some time I guess.

[Eiralox]

Confirmed

Merlyn

Almost had something like a locktown before I considered a polaroid team but very high

Alianna

I want them to be town

wayward son

Felt town but AwOL

Smileydude

Not sure

Camel
Skitter
Radical slot

[Alianna]

You're assuming that just because something is possible, it is probable.

The exact wording I thought I should have used at the time, right after posting or maybe while typing but I forgot, is 'can be a bad play.'

I'll put it like this, I think it's possible while I feel it's probable. And yes, scum skitter would want me to believe that and puh town radical so I'm aware how wrong I can be but like I said I'm operating off vibes so what everyone keeps telling me is insane is just what I've felt most of this game. And my life maybe but that's not relevant.

I also thought I was talking to Merlyn here. If you feel like a confirmed town then yeah I think there are scum motivation for what you're but I need to start taking stances at some time I guess.

Wait, how long did you think I was Merlyn for? Which posts?

[Eiralox]

Wait, how long did you think I was Merlyn for? Which posts?
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lemme check, yeah just 773 I wouldn't post 774 at our friendly neighbor. So I read the thread and haven't yet had coffee and I fully figured #766 and #767 were Merlyn posts and after noticing the first error I noticed the second XD

If I didn't just skim #767 I would have been more cognizant maybe.

[Eiralox]

ugh well I'll be back later lel

[Eiralox]

just now having coffee fml and missed thi pot i got a minute

For some odd reason I was falsely assuming that only townies could get a message from a Friendly Neighbor. After reading the sample PM, I see I'm wrong. I've never played with one before.

Eiralox isn't as confirmed as I thought.

But Merlyn is? Yes, why would Merlyn fake claim. But why would Eiralox and Merlyn both?

RP's claim and then backtracking is weird but I can't for the life of me figure out why a scum would do something like that. Hopefully RP's replacement will bring a little clarity to the issue.

I'm gonna call it quits for tonight. Tomorrow I'll start delving into ISOs and hopefully get some better insight.

Cool.

[Eiralox]

I'm stupid Merlyn gains nothing from that claim as scum. Polaroid was sus of Merlyn so and I pushed that so in retrospect I'll put that from polaroid as NAI.

[SmileyDude1]

I've been liking the idea of scum!skitter more, but I need sleep so I'll explain tomorrow.

Yes, i would indeed like to hear more abt this

There were just a few posts today that felt off.

VOTE: skitter Skitter either was a) the target or b) the killer. Does anything think skitter was the most likely target last night? It really should have been someone like TheHoldSteady, who was townread by the vast majority.

Yes, esp. if smiley is scum
I am fine getting voting out if u commit to voting smiley -> camel afterwards

I'm fine with a camel vote, not so much with Smiley, but I can't say I like the idea of just committing to a specific chain of executions now and not re-evaluating our options as the game progresses.

how does ur post above change in the event i flip town
(i happen to know this, but i'm asking you to consider this worldview now)

like what happens next

I was going to respond to this one on Tuesday, but then the retraction happened and I forgot about it, so I'll do it now.
I really don't like this implication that I'm assuming you will flip scum and that I'm not considering any other worldview. There is nothing in 663 that suggests I was assuming you flip scum. If anything, I was talking to you like you're town. If you flip red, it's a no-brainer that we don't commit to executing whoever scum!you wanted. The scenario where we actually have to debate how much weight to give your reads after you die is the one where your reads are genuine. I mean, I guess we might use them for partner hunting in that case, but the option of "commit to doing what dead!skitter wanted" is only on the table if you're town. So you can't say that I haven't considered that worldview.
My previous posts today don't suggest I'm assuming you're scum either. On D2 (too lazy to check D1 but it's irrelevant anyway), I made exactly one post before the quoted post in which I expressed a negative view of your slot, and I wasn't even confident in it. All I said there was that I wasn't going to clear you off Polaroid's night action (though I didn't consider it a guilty either since there was a valid reason to shoot you) and that I didn't hate the idea of voting you.
This feels like a dishonest way of looking at my posts; I don't see any way that you could actually conclude that. It comes off like you were trying to subtly paint me in a negative light and contribute indirectly to the idea that I'm partnered with Smiley, which you said you think is the case 2 posts later.

camel i kinda independantly sr
alianna looks like a smiley partner

This comes after the post I just discussed and the now-invalid NKA I did in 661. If it wasn't clear, 661 was the reason I said I didn't want to vote Smiley.
What I don't like here is how quickly you decided I must be paired with Smiley. I gave some logic for why I thought he was town, but instead of considering my points or interacting with the logic, you just wrote me off as his partner. That makes me question if you're actually trying to solve.

Your comments about Political also feel like the classic TMI "I told you so," but that could come from town too so idk.

The main problem I have with a Skitter lim at the moment is that the resulting course of action would lose the game if they're town which i'm still kind of split on. Like in the event that myself/Skitter was a TvT then town loses the game if we go Skitter into myself here. Question to everyone, what is your take on me/Skitter, cause maybe i'm just being paranoid here.

As to why i'm split I mentioned earlier that there's arguments for both a Skitter saved by Jailkeeper world and a Skitter blocked by Jailkeeper world so I thought i'd expound upon that a bit.

A hypothetical Scum Skitter may have had reason to believe that they were safe to commit the NK given how day 1 ended. The EoD became chaotic at the end in such a way that put suspicion on many players, I could envision scumSkitter taking advantage of the fact that they weren't there for that to commit a NK that was relatively unlikely to be blocked.

I could also easily see a world where scum try to kill TownSkitter as well. Given the 1v1 that our slots had earlier, I could easily see scum attempting to kill Skitter in order to point suspicion towards me. They may have also had interest in killing them in order to remove one of the more experienced players in the playerlist


I'm going to be at work and won't be able to post until later afternoon/early evening, until then

[Aisa]

Alisae replaces Radical Polaroid.

[Alisae]

[Alisae]

VOTE: SmileyDude1

[Alisae]

I have a tracker guilty on SmileyDude1

[Alisae]

oh correction
my post didn't go all the way through and I did not notice it.

I have tracker guilty on SmileyDude1, Alianna, and camelCasedSnivy

I would like the thread to guess which one it is.

[Eiralox]

Skitter30? I'm paranoid and have reason to believe there's a jailkeep.

But playing your game I'll guess Alianna because that'll be chaotic.

[Alisae]

I appreciate your cooperation <3

[skitter30]

Oh hey ali

[skitter30]

Well
You're starting off with voting smiley

So i feel like this might be a good guess

[skitter30]

@alianna gonne grt back to when i'm at a laptop

[skitter30]

Pros and cons for believing this lol
Tending towards yes

But def thinking it over

[Alisae]

hi skitter <3

[Alisae]

also I just voted smiley because that guy is obvscum
it doesn't mean that that's 100% who my guilty is on. I could have a guilty on completely different person for all anyone knows!