Pokemon Battles 2 - Attack on Giratina [GAME OVER]

[Chandra Nalaar]

VOTE: Black

no point in holding off i can't see myself not doing this

[Titus]

Chandra, can you ask me direct simple questions that require no citations?

[Chandra Nalaar]

merlyn is still scum

this doesn't resemble her town game

[Chandra Nalaar]

Chandra, can you ask me direct simple questions that require no citations?

i don't really know what to do with this

um

why don't you think notmafia is scum

[Chandra Nalaar]

if i'm scum why did i kill ranger and mathblade, my staunchest defenders

[Merlyn]

I'm leaning towards believing FL- I've been tring him, and I feel like this is too elaborate of a thing to be a fakeclaim. I would rather vote Chandra or Wheme over Black, and I don't think it matters which given the claim.

cool

why

I've played with FL where he was town and I was scum before, and this style- the multiple postings, sometimes quoting something multiple times to address it again, the dogfight with Black, the overall eagerness to play the game- looks pretty much the same to me. Almost every post he made yesterday, I found myself nodding along with like, yup that makes sense. That's enough to lean town I think.

I just don't think Black is scum here. I could see you being scum though- I definitely think you're a leader here, and it pinged me when you made a point to say you weren't.

[Merlyn]

merlyn is still scum

this doesn't resemble her town game

I don't remember ever playing with you? Where?

[Merlyn]

if i'm scum why did i kill ranger and mathblade, my staunchest defenders

Why not so that at some point you could bring this up when you needed to?

[Flavor Leaf]

If Black was town, I feel they’d have been faded a long time ago.

I admit I might be tunneled, but like…

Scum would have to have been actively sitting back going against my push on Black.

[Yimmy]

i acknowledge that i've been content-light today. i am deflated after the italiano flip and then flavor leaf being pretty trustworthy mechanically (i kind didn't trust him)
but don't worry, i know how to make things right

V/LA Thursday 7/13 until Monday 7/17

i will technically have internet access but i won't want to use it

[Meuh]

Meuh why are you not pushing me here? I feel like if you trust FL then you should be convinced I'm scum

I'm just conflicted and unsure at this point, and I don't feel like I can quite figure out that situation at this point
I do think FL is town though

I guess my point is, don't you pretty heavily TR Chandra and Wheme? Sorry if I'm wrong but I think I remember you having them in your town pile. So if you think FL is town as well then the logical conclusion would be I'm just scum

I'm not scum and I'm happy that you're conflicted instead of pushing me, but it just doesn't really match up to how you've been treating me the whole game. There's finally proof that I could be scum and now you're not sure, despite thinking I'm scum and pushing me for most of the game? Like I don't think this is necessarily scum indicative of you but I'm trying to find the thought process

I was heavily townreading Wheme on play, but people have been casting doubt there mechanically and Wheme interacting with me last night kinda resurfaced that doubt for me + I'm just generally wanting to reconsider
Chandra I've been gradually townreading less and less since like day 2 and I think I voted for her at some point yesterday? So no there wasn't a big jump there

[Meuh]

if i'm scum why did i kill ranger and mathblade, my staunchest defenders

This line of logic would already super questionable in a micro game if the kills were on quiet, low influence players, but is ESPECIALLY questionable when scum likely have 4+ members who would have conflicting things they're looking for in a night kill and that the two players you're mentioning were both also at least fairly loud presences moving the game forward who were garnering a pretty decent amount of townreads? (Mathblade did have doubters but also a lot of people who would confidently throw him into the townbin, I think Ranger was generally townread)
This is making me question your alignment, because I'm not sure you'd even make this post in good faith

[SirCakez]

If Black was town, I feel they’d have been faded a long time ago.

I admit I might be tunneled, but like…

Scum would have to have been actively sitting back going against my push on Black.

I don't really think this is true? Black has been townie at points and I've been conflicted on the slot for most of the game and I'm town

[SirCakez]

I know you think I'm scum defending my buddy Black or whatever but that's my opinion

[Titus]

Chandra, can you ask me direct simple questions that require no citations?

i don't really know what to do with this

um

why don't you think notmafia is scum

The killing action and claiming it. Makes him a paranoia lim.

[Flavor Leaf]

Idk, I have some weird gut read on Not Mafia being town

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m not willing to bet the game on that, though, so if people think they’re scum, I don’t have any defense.

[Flavor Leaf]

I wanted to fade them at one point yesterday

[Chandra Nalaar]

I'm leaning towards believing FL- I've been tring him, and I feel like this is too elaborate of a thing to be a fakeclaim. I would rather vote Chandra or Wheme over Black, and I don't think it matters which given the claim.

cool

why

I've played with FL where he was town and I was scum before, and this style- the multiple postings, sometimes quoting something multiple times to address it again, the dogfight with Black, the overall eagerness to play the game- looks pretty much the same to me. Almost every post he made yesterday, I found myself nodding along with like, yup that makes sense. That's enough to lean town I think.

I just don't think Black is scum here. I could see you being scum though- I definitely think you're a leader here, and it pinged me when you made a point to say you weren't.

cool have you seen FL as scum
if not how do you know any of that is indicative of anything

i dont really care though because,

you deflected my desire to understand your black read to attacking me because you are her partner

[Chandra Nalaar]

merlyn is still scum

this doesn't resemble her town game

I don't remember ever playing with you? Where?

hi im cephrir

if i'm scum why did i kill ranger and mathblade, my staunchest defenders

Why not so that at some point you could bring this up when you needed to?

yeah that strategy that usually doesnt work seems way better than townies who openly will never vote me

[Chandra Nalaar]

if i'm scum why did i kill ranger and mathblade, my staunchest defenders

This line of logic would already super questionable in a micro game if the kills were on quiet, low influence players, but is ESPECIALLY questionable when scum likely have 4+ members who would have conflicting things they're looking for in a night kill and that the two players you're mentioning were both also at least fairly loud presences moving the game forward who were garnering a pretty decent amount of townreads? (Mathblade did have doubters but also a lot of people who would confidently throw him into the townbin, I think Ranger was generally townread)
This is making me question your alignment, because I'm not sure you'd even make this post in good faith

i mean, at least one of my hypothetical partners is low impact player whemestar, and presumably another one is low impact player not_mafia

if that is enough to make you throw out the entire game you are silly

ranger wasnt that townread but ok

[Chandra Nalaar]

Chandra, can you ask me direct simple questions that require no citations?

i don't really know what to do with this

um

why don't you think notmafia is scum

The killing action and claiming it. Makes him a paranoia lim.

he didnt take a killing action though, bianco did. bianco dying as a result of notmafia defending himself, a thing he can't even choose not to do if he wanted, is not AI

[Chandra Nalaar]

do you all think italiano & black were TvT because i sure didn't

i hope we get the opportunity to hunt for black and merlyn's other partners

[Flavor Leaf]

merlyn is still scum

this doesn't resemble her town game

I don't remember ever playing with you? Where?

hi im cephrir

if i'm scum why did i kill ranger and mathblade, my staunchest defenders

Why not so that at some point you could bring this up when you needed to?

yeah that strategy that usually doesnt work seems way better than townies who openly will never vote me

^

[Merlyn]

I'm leaning towards believing FL- I've been tring him, and I feel like this is too elaborate of a thing to be a fakeclaim. I would rather vote Chandra or Wheme over Black, and I don't think it matters which given the claim.

cool

why

I've played with FL where he was town and I was scum before, and this style- the multiple postings, sometimes quoting something multiple times to address it again, the dogfight with Black, the overall eagerness to play the game- looks pretty much the same to me. Almost every post he made yesterday, I found myself nodding along with like, yup that makes sense. That's enough to lean town I think.

I just don't think Black is scum here. I could see you being scum though- I definitely think you're a leader here, and it pinged me when you made a point to say you weren't.

cool have you seen FL as scum
if not how do you know any of that is indicative of anything

i dont really care though because,

you deflected my desire to understand your black read to attacking me because you are her partner

merlyn is still scum

this doesn't resemble her town game

I don't remember ever playing with you? Where?

hi im cephrir

if i'm scum why did i kill ranger and mathblade, my staunchest defenders

Why not so that at some point you could bring this up when you needed to?

yeah that strategy that usually doesnt work seems way better than townies who openly will never vote me

I...did not know that you were Cephrir. Particularly bold of you to base your case off me as 'this is not Merlyns towngame' based on that game. You absolutely did not play this way as town in that game btw.

So, let's get this straight. I have only played with FL in one game, so none of what I wrote means anything;

You have only played with me in one game; but your meta is definitely allowed.

Yes?

Black and I would be a very clunky pair of partners btw.