Weird Dreams Mafia Redux [Finished]

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

regarding snivy though, them not going guns blazing after their scumreads is actually a very good observation. Them not being in rush, is probably the most scummy thing about them and I can follow that as a reasoning.

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reminder that Sundays Mondays and Tuesdays I wont be around almost at all - or probably not at all. Sorry for my weekly disappearances

[Titus]

I think CSF's wall case arguing that ccs has static reads is supported by the SR on bianco or whoever replaced them. That slot would always be sred. That's not usually a town thought process.

[Titus]

VOTE: ccs

[WhemeStar]

Why though

Who else do you scumread besides Ranger? I think she's town

Snivy town rauth I couldn’t find anything that swayed me either way
And idk haven’t rly formed scumreads rly I did some iso dives on rauth snivy and std but didn’t see anything that said scum

What's your verdict on rauth and snivy? I'm curious.

[usesPython]

Why though

Who else do you scumread besides Ranger? I think she's town

Snivy town rauth I couldn’t find anything that swayed me either way
And idk haven’t rly formed scumreads rly I did some iso dives on rauth snivy and std but didn’t see anything that said scum

What's your verdict on rauth and snivy? I'm curious.

That's one messed up quote

[WhemeStar]

Fml I’m hungover hi I said I got snivy town and rauth I got nothing either way

[Ranger]

I’ll see what I can do to address the more recent content about 12 hours from now.

A quick skim has my reads unaffected, although I’ll need the full read to confirm.

I maintain WhemeStar is very visibly and obviously in his scum meta, and can provide a better explanation for why when I engage.

Meanwhile, please trust me. Don’t abandon the WhemeStar wagon on a frivolous pursuit for a better D1 elimination. WhemeStar is still a

good

elimination.

[Korina]

VCs momentarily. Deadline is unpaused at 3d10 hours from this post, as I am referring to an old conversation with T-Bone involving a similar incident with an extended deadline pause due to replacements. I am also deferring to this conversation for how to handle any actions. Any questions regarding this can be answered post-game. Please know I am attempting to resolve this as best I can while preserving the game-state as it stands.

[Korina]

VC 1.26

WhemeStar (5):

Aureal, Ranger, Abnegation, Rautherdir, Radical Rat

camelCasedSnivy (4):

Cat Scratch Fever, usesPython, Save The Dragons, Titus

Cat Scratch Fever (3):

sheepsaysmeep, Morning Tweet, Doctor Drew

Rauthedir (2):

DragonEater70, camelCasedSnivy

Ranger (2):

Kyoko Kirigiri, WhemeStar

KatyKimFanClub (1):

Abnegation (0):

DragonEater70 (0):

Kyoko Kirigiri (0):

Aureal (0):

Doctor Drew (0):

sheepsaysmeep (0):

Random Nurse (0):

usesPython (0):

Save the Dragons (0):

Radical Rat (0):

Morning Tweet (0):

Titus (0):

Flea the Magician (0):

Not Voting (4):

Flea the Magician, Random Nurse, Rautherdir, KatyKimFanClub

With

19

known votes, it takes

10

of them to achieve a majority.

Deadline is in:

(expired on 2023-07-19 22:45:00)

Moderator Notes:

- Ranger is V/LA every Sunday/Monday for July.
- Kyoko Kirigiri is V/LA every Sunday thru Tuesday.
- Replacing Random Nurse

Nightmare

Ranger's proposal: [

Doctor Drew

, Radical Rat, usesPython, Abnegation, sheepsaysmeep, Ranger, Titus] (7, E-3!):

Ranger, Radical Rat, Save The Dragons, usesPython, sheepsaysmeep, Abnegation, camelCasedSnivy

Rautherdir, formerly usesPython's proposal: [

Doctor Drew

, Ranger, usesPython, Abnegation, KatyKimFanclub, Rautherdir, Radical Rat, sheepsaysmeep, Morning Tweet, camelCasedSnivy, Titus (3):

Rautherdir, KatyKimFanClub, Morning Tweet

Kyoko Kirigiri's proposal: [

Doctor Drew

, usesPython, Abnegation, Aureal, camelCasedSnivy, Save the Dragons, Radical Rat] (2):

Kyoko Kirigiri, Aureal

Random Nurse's proposal: [

Doctor Drew

, anger, Radical Rat, usesPython, Titus, camelCasedSnivy, KatyKimFanClub] (1):

Random Nurse

DragonEater70's proposal: [

Doctor Drew

, DragonEater70, usesPython, Abnegation, Aureal, Titus] (1):

DragonEater70

Merlyn's proposal: [

Doctor Drew

, Radical Rat, usesPython, Rautherdir, Aureal, Abnegation, Merlyn] (1):

Merlyn

Morning Tweet's proposal: [

Doctor Drew

, usesPython, Ranger, Titus, Abnegation, Aureal, Rautherdir] (1):

Morning Tweet

With

19

known votes, it takes

10

of them to achieve a majority.

Doctor Drew is confirmed.

Spoiler: Pronouns

Pronoun Key

Later

Spoiler: Votes I'm Mentioning For Some Reason (EMPTY)

Empty

[sheepsaysmeep]

kyoko kirigirl why do you find me scummy

[WhemeStar]

I’ll see what I can do to address the more recent content about 12 hours from now.

A quick skim has my reads unaffected, although I’ll need the full read to confirm.

I maintain WhemeStar is very visibly and obviously in his scum meta, and can provide a better explanation for why when I engage.

Meanwhile, please trust me. Don’t abandon the WhemeStar wagon on a frivolous pursuit for a better D1 elimination. WhemeStar is still a

good

elimination.

ok i will wait

[Rautherdir]

HURT: Ranger's proposal

I haven't actually voted Snivy despite stating a lean-scum read on them, it's more just a slot I'm worried about then one I'm actively proposing an elim for or... even have a good reason to push as scum.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

why is wheme scummier than Snivy?

[Cat Scratch Fever]

given deadline unpaused, I'd compromise vote for Wheme but I'd like someone - preferably someone I'm not already townreading - to elaborate on why Wheme is scum over disengaged town

[sheepsaysmeep]

ok I spent a minute skimming your case. I sorta maintain that snivy just seems to me like newb town. the things you described were just normal flaws in my play when I was a newby town, such that I think tone and stuff legit takes precedence. I think for such players, like, as scum they might try to seem more mellow and reasonable, whereas as town they like aggressively abrasively state confident reads is more the vibe.

[sheepsaysmeep]

I dunno I think wheme is scummy because he feels like he's struggling to produce good content. like it's not just

lurking

it's that when he's actually here, which is an ok amount of time, I dont really buy the reads-related stuff he gets out into the thread it feels relatively more shallow and flaily

[sheepsaysmeep]

and I vaguely believe that that's scummy for him metawise based on some games ive skimmed before but I wouldnt claim to know the meta well enough to push that

[Cat Scratch Fever]

hmm I don't know if Snivy is that new, maybe new to the forum format

I dunno I think wheme is scummy because he feels like he's struggling to produce good content. like it's not just

lurking

it's that when he's actually here, which is an ok amount of time, I dont really buy the reads-related stuff he gets out into the thread it feels relatively more shallow and flaily

but this is probably fair

[sheepsaysmeep]

@ camel cased snivy how experienced are you

[sheepsaysmeep]

oh right I remember you talking about chat mafia making him good at this vibe

yeah fair enough I'll try to read him more thoroughly

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

kyoko kirigirl why do you find me scummy

This is probably not completely fair, but I feel like your side lining the whole game, and gaining easy credit for it. like I see you posting content giving reads and all that, and you're honest when you're sheeping, but it gives me the vibe that you don't care about your reads and who dies.

[sheepsaysmeep]

ehhh seems fair

[sheepsaysmeep]

I guess ur kinda right that I dont care a lot

[WhemeStar]

I dunno I think wheme is scummy because he feels like he's struggling to produce good content. like it's not just

lurking

it's that when he's actually here, which is an ok amount of time, I dont really buy the reads-related stuff he gets out into the thread it feels relatively more shallow and flaily

ill coem bakc to this

[Aureal]

I'm not sure if I understand your question tbh but I'll try to answer

In general, I don't think town has to pivot their read. Tunneling can come from either alignment. I've seen town tunnel because they were pursuing a genuine read, and I've seen scum shit-tunnel because it allows them to pretend to do something and everyone goes "wow much conviction so town!"

The one sentence scumcase summary is that I don't get the sense that Snivy believes in his reads, and some reads feel fabricated. The lack of a 'pivot' doesn't really factor into it.

But to actually answer your question - one reason to pivot would be that he's scumreading rauth using the same reasoning that python did (1142)

Okay... I think I see what you're trying to say, but I'm still not sure why this is something you're making a case on.

Why was Snivy scumreading Python? I think that's a key bit of information that would be needed in order to make the argument that Snivy's Python read should have changed. This feels pretty arbitrary without it. I don't think it's at all a given that someone stating similar thoughts as you on one particular read is going to make you dramatically change your opinion of them, especially pre-flip.