Micro 1088: Carbon 14 - Game Over

[sheepsaysmeep]

an idea im just crafted in my head (this could be a bad idea)

we point to someone and say "Both investigative roles should target this same person"

mafia prob wont kill that person because then we just controlled their nightkill onto the person we wanted (very pro-town)

if mafia fail to kill one of the investigatives, then everyone hardclaims. either u have a guilty or u have THREE clears

[sheepsaysmeep]

nvm I realized why it doesnt work lol

[sheepsaysmeep]

weh

[heipizhu4]

I really wanted to say something but aside from imag's and PC's brief scuffle nothing really grabbed my interest on the previous page

What did you want to say?

only that it would be funny if both of you were town

So you mean there should be at least one scum in imagine and pc, right?

[heipizhu4]

Any reasons behind it? Or is it something that comes after 60?

Man, generating content is hard

[heipizhu4]

@Nurse What's your read on PC and imagine?

[Dunnstral]

everyone should like give a set of reads and explain them or something

I don't feel I have a vote I'd want more than Random Nurse, even though it is not a very strong read.

I think imaginality had a good point about a cop claim voting themself to e-1 being weird. That makes me lean town on imaginality.
I am also getting good feelings from sheep.

heip I don't have an opinion on, they've given quite a bit but I don't lean either way. ceejay has given not enough for me to have an opinion on I feel. And politicalclout claimed cop so it is best to wait and see what happens.

[Random Nurse]

nvm I realized why it doesnt work lol

Why exactly doesn't it work?

[Dunnstral]

I think it works fine but there is just no reason to try to direct actions like that. Instead of 1 person who is definitely town performing their own action we have a group that might be scum giving opinions.

Scum can indeed just kill that person anyway if they are town since there is no guarantee that the person chosen for investigation isn't themselves an investigation role.

[Random Nurse]

So...

How does Town optimally play this game?

[Dunnstral]

IMO by hypo claiming, but some people might want to mass claim on day 2 instead

[Random Nurse]

You know, as Town I can't help but feel this game is on the harder side. Meaning, I don't think I like this particular open setup.

Can't do much about it now, and my Scumhunting game is sh*t Day 1.

[Political Clout]

TLDR readslist:

Dunnstral, sheep
Ceejay, heip
PC, RN

If I'm wrong on PC (I have no idea how reliable sheep's town meta read on PC is) ceejay can be the other scum slot

Back to sickbed hope to post more fully tomorrow

now who's being omgussy? ceejay hasn't said anything of substance.

That's not omgussy, that's just relative reads. Dunnstral, sheep and heip all give me more town vibes and like you say ceejay is a lot closer to null; so if one of you and RN are town then ceejay is the most likely slot (in my view) to be the second scum.

It's also not omgussy because I currently doubt ceejay is scum. I think it's you and RN.

what did heip say that gave you town vibes?

just to be clear you're saying me and nurse from what has happened so far are scum and you have solved the game? and in case one of us flips town the next scum is ceejay? and the game is 100% now solved?

if you were investigative role who would you target at night?

[imaginality]

General vibe of heip seeming uninformed and his reads list came across as genuine.

No I'm not saying I've solved the game. That's a blatant misrep. I'm saying I think you two are more likely scum than the other four and that if I'm wrong about one (or both!) of you, I think there's more chance ceejay is scum than one of the other three.

It's also very suspicious you're trying to get me to answer that question when we haven't agreed to d1 hypoclaim. Feels like you wanted me to answer so you can go "oh imaginality has answered so now we all might as well".

[sheepsaysmeep]

You know, as Town I can't help but feel this game is on the harder side. Meaning, I don't think I like this particular open setup.

Can't do much about it now, and my Scumhunting game is sh*t Day 1.

I am very susceptible to wanting to read the emotions of this post as town lol

[sheepsaysmeep]

even tho I dont rly get it

imo this is a pretty townsided setup I think and I dont see why being a bad d1 scumhunter is relevant to it idk

[sheepsaysmeep]

lol

VOTE: ceeja

idk

[SirCakez]

Votecount 1.2

Imaginality (2) - ceejayvinoya, Political Clout
Political Clout (1) - imaginality
Random Nurse (1) - Dunnstral
ceejayvinoya (1) - sheepsaysmeep

Not voting (2) - Random Nurse, heipizhu4

(expired on 2023-07-26 17:43:00) remain until day end

With 7 players alive, it takes 4 to reach a majority.

[SirCakez]

Prodding ceejay

[sheepsaysmeep]

with 2 days left this is personally not a top wagon I approve of

[SirCakez]

Ceejay did not pick up his prod and will be replaced
Prodding heipizhu and Dunnstral

[SirCakez]

Doctor Drew replaces ceejayvinoya!

[Doctor Drew]

Doctor Drew replaces ceejayvinoya!

The rumors are true! I am here!

I am channeling my inner Peregrine!!!

But let me give this game a quick skim.

!!!!!

[Doctor Drew]

For a slow game, I think there is some juicy content right out the gate.

VOTE: Random Nurse

Their contribution thus far feels like they are repeating the setup out loud rather than offering anything to work with.

Agreed.

30% random chance of the true cop getting a guilty and living to claim it if we lim N1 (2/5 x 3/4)

If we no lim:
(2/6 x 4/5) = 26.3% chance true cop can claim a guilty after N1
4/5 x 30% = 24% chance true cop can claim a guilty N2 (a bit less though as hypoclaims help scum narrow down their NK target)

Plus some marginal extra utility from inno claims

Yeah, I think it makes sense

VOTE: No Lim

Especially considering we're not getting the most juice out of today

meh idk

I think gameplaywise, doing a d1 where people try to lim other people is necessary. informationally

otherwise youre in lylo and you have some results but youre just completely guessing among the other people because the game only really starts then

Seriously, pretty much never no lim on D1, Sheep makes a great point here

Meta Data

Just a heads-up: I typically struggle on Day 1 due to not having anything tangible to work with.

I work as a strictly nocturnal night nurse, so am asleep during the day. I also work 60-72 hours each week

As Town I am free to be aggressive because I legitimately don't know who is what, and I don't care about self-preservation.

As Scum I struggle to emulate the above play and frequently try to force myself to forget my role.

As Town I work best by consistent extreme engagement to generate content: it's extremely easy to do as Town and a chore for me to do as Scum because I already have insider knowledge and I'm a terrible liar. As Town it's extremely easy for me to make free-flowing-thought posts on a dime.

I don't quickhammers and appreciate intent to hammer being made first. At this point on I don't quickhammer and instead will announce intent to claim.

I prefer NOT to play using readslists due to my severe time constraints. It's easier for me to tell you how I feel about a player, and as Town if you ask me I should be able to tell you fairly soon how I honestly feel about them. If it takes awhile then I'm possibly Scum.

On Day 1 expect me to be playing based solely on gut reads and gut vibes: I have no tangible evidence to work with.

I'm making it a habit to post this post first at the start of each game, and then start reading.

I am confused as to the point of this post

But bullet points 3 to 5 don't look like your play this game just through your own admission

It's Day 1 and it's only page 3.

Yeah but you said you use "consistent extreme engagement" and that it is easy to do as town.

I like Dunn here, you can't give bullet points on your gameplay then get upset when you get faulted for your hypocrisy.

Off the cuff initial reads are Sheep/Dunn town......Nurse/Imag scum.

For now will keep my vote where Ceejay had it(RIP), but would also be fine with Nurse.

[Doctor Drew]

VOTE: PC

I disagree with heip (though I do townread heip) - I don't think town are likely to risk self voting to put themselves at E-1 on D1 of a micro.

Also the proposed strategy of all claiming role and target D1 is a great way to ensure we never get a guilty and if scum don't happen to be targeted by the right type, then the NK could seriously mislead us D2.

i deliberately didn't say I was at -1 because I wanted to see what people would say and do, why didn't you?

and secondly it's a proposed strategy you can dislike it and it doesn't mean you have to follow it if you think not claiming a target is better then that's fine simply don't claim a target? it feels like a crazy nitpick to me coupled with the fact that you saying it makes me think it's a reason for voting me. Like hey this part of your strategy doesn't make sense but like you don't have to use that part of the strategy.

VOTE: imaginality

I'm am claiming cop and will be checking someone tonight.

What in the actual fuck.