Pokemon Battles 2 - Attack on Giratina [GAME OVER]

[Chandra Nalaar]

Cause even in the best case scenario of a scum team here, I don't think it's strong enough for FL to actually be that confident
Unless there's scum in Yimmy/Chandra
Yimmy doesn't flip scum but I guess Chandra can

Cause no offence but FL doesn't look at like a him/Titus/Merlyn/STD/DGB team or something like that and go "oh yeah this is in the bag", right?

If it was in the bag he wouldn't have needed to claim cop at all

[Yimmy]

ok i admit it is not a normal thing. but you gotta interpret "this is Final 9" somehow. and we didm on day 5

i would not have bought this hat if i didn't think your d5/6/7 posts were weird

[Chandra Nalaar]

I think FL could read the writing on the wall as multiple players were lining up against him. I don't really understand why the selfvote and stuff unless it was to make you ask this exact question, but shrug

if both you and wheme are town he's golden. throwing and hoping for someone to don a tinfoil hat is the path of most resistance (especially in the game's climate - everybody has been very passive besides me and you since the last replacement. he wins if he doesn't throw)
like i can see it as a gambit but there's a pretty compelling explanation.

It's weird cause FL's play when he got limmed there makes me think that it's a 4 mafia team (otherwise they'd strongarm a townie death) but then I don't think FL makes the fake claim in the first place without a 5 person team so ???

this is dumbtelling on purpose. like we know it was elo cause of the mechanics. this was settled, like, three days ago. do you think there's another third party or something lol??
like i'm being dramatic. people get confused. i'm not townreading dumbtells right now though

don't worry chandra you aren't megaminding it was flavor leaf (way more believable)

Is votelock cause ELO a consistent thing? I've never played a game where votes got locked like this, that makes sense though

It's not but I can't think of any other reason the mod would do that

[Chandra Nalaar]

ok i admit it is not a normal thing. but you gotta interpret "this is Final 9" somehow. and we didm on day 5

i would not have bought this hat if i didn't think your d5/6/7 posts were weird

Cool do they still seems weird in light of the info we have now

If we're going to lose to this I want you to throw it away with all the information not because you felt funky and rushed it

[Yimmy]

good thing the rest of town has to agree with me then
i will happily skim through those days when i get the chance though :)

[Meuh]

Cause even in the best case scenario of a scum team here, I don't think it's strong enough for FL to actually be that confident
Unless there's scum in Yimmy/Chandra
Yimmy doesn't flip scum but I guess Chandra can

Cause no offence but FL doesn't look at like a him/Titus/Merlyn/STD/DGB team or something like that and go "oh yeah this is in the bag", right?

If it was in the bag he wouldn't have needed to claim cop at all

I guess so
But then you could argue the power of centralizing targets on townies (assuming you/Wheme are town) outweighs the negative side of also putting the spotlight on FL
Though if that was the angle, why was Titus so distant from the claim

[Chandra Nalaar]

Idk I'm just more interested in the early game right now than stuff like "what was Titus doing when she believed the game was already won and all she had to do was nothing"

[Meuh]

ok i admit it is not a normal thing. but you gotta interpret "this is Final 9" somehow. and we didm on day 5

i would not have bought this hat if i didn't think your d5/6/7 posts were weird

My original interpretation was just "oh when the playercount is low enough that's how it works", I did interpret it as being an ELO thing on this day since we're on evens, but I hadn't retroactively applied that logic

[Meuh]

Idk I'm just more interested in the early game right now than stuff like "what was Titus doing when she believed the game was already won and all she had to do was nothing"

That's fair

[Yimmy]

there's only like 60 pages since start of d4, guys!! i am going to reread the whole thing (4 chandra <3)

[Meuh]

Didn't Chandra just say she wanted to focus on the early game lol

[Yimmy]

good for her, i don't. it is 4 chandra because she deserves real effort put into limming her

[Yimmy]

merlyn is scum btw i have no case it's just true

Real actually

merlyn is scum btw i have no case it's just true

this makes sense as well to me if there's a 5th or if DGB is town.

I think I know your case, I kind of felt some aggro come my way from you as soon as I dared to question something yesterday. Very interested in the hoppers on here, I truly don't know the reasons there.

this post is extremely funny

[Yimmy]

I haven't caught up yet, but I have a PT with Chandra.

I have a power to double someone's night powers (it's a day choice).

Chandra reminded me that Wheme is a claimed vig, so I doubled up Wheme's vig-power.

So this morning I expected surprises from Wheme.

All I got is Not_Mafia claiming the only NK... as vig?

this is weird.

dgb

explain what's going on here. what move is this? do people believe that encore and this move are in the same game? especially when we know dgb had a pt with chandra?
this is good stuff. please give us some good explanations :)

[Chandra Nalaar]

encore is a debuff i dont understand why those wouldnt go together

[Chandra Nalaar]

STD should probably be able to confirm being targeted by encore?

[Yimmy]

Also idk if this needs to be said but no one else vote please cause if it's a 5 mafia team and a single extra vote gets piled onto FL or Black then scum can theoretically snipe and then win the game

oh based

[Yimmy]

encore is a debuff i dont understand why those wouldnt go together

my problem with it is it sounds like the same move as encore through a game of telephone. anyway dgb is the more reliable source here. i'm not into a chandra/dgb scumteam right now

[Save The Dragons]

Spoiler:

squirtlesquad
Sheepsaymeep
Invisibility

Jjh997
Firebringer
SirCakez
Pink Ball
KittyTacky
WhemeStar
Blue.
Doctor Drew
Titus
Klick
Patchwork
Black
Not_Mafia
Metens
NorwegianboyEE
Magical Girl

Chandra

Ranger

Whemestar
Firebringer
Pink Ball
Blue.

Sheepsaymeep
Titus
Squirtle
Invisibility
Black
NorwegianBoyEE
Magical Girl

Skygazer
SirCakez

jjh927
KittyTacky
Patchwork
Doctor Drew
Not Mafia
Metens

Ranger
Klick

Chandra Nalaar

Does FL come out of the gate trying to distance against Chandra or is he trying to push Chandra as a possible lim target? I don't think there's a world where FL thinks he's getting limmed so I think it's more likely Chandra is someone he's trying to push. I think there are probably better targets to bus if this is a bus?

On the other paw there's no scum in the bottom (3 names) of his list if chandra is town. would he put all his scum buddies at the light blue tier or higher?

But then he doesn't really push Chandra in the posts that follow. I was expecting more vigor and vitriol but it's mostly fluff.

I dunno I still think Chandra is massively town by play but maybe i should look further.

[Yimmy]

also we've never heard about dgb's weird move again since that claim. also it's really hard to make sense of mechanically (what if i challenge someone to a battle? do i challenge them to a battle twice? do i challenge two different people to a battle? the rules specify what happens when two players challenge one player for a battle, but there's no allowance for if one player challenges two players to a battle

[Save The Dragons]

VC 1 eod

Magical Girl

(12)

Lady Lambdadelta

,

Enchant

,

Firebringer

, NorwegianboyEE,

Skygazer

,

Metens

, KittyTacky,

Doctor Drew

,

SirCakez

, Meuh,

Sheepsaysmeep

,

Black

Black

(4)

Rathe

, Not_Mafia,

Flavor Leaf

,

Klick

Meuh (3)

Ranger

, Save the Dragons, Chandra Nalaar

Metens

(1) WhemeStar

Lady Lambdadelta

(1) SquirtleSquad

SirCakez

(1)

Titus

VC 2 eod

Lady Lambdadelta

(11) WhemeStar,

Flavor Leaf

,

Ranger

,

Doctor Drew

, KittyTacky, NorwegianboyEE,

Malakittens

,

SirCakez

,

ItalianoVD

,

Enchant

, Not_Mafia

ItalianoVD

(5) SquirtleSquad,

Sheepsaysmeep

, Chandra Nalaar, Save the Dragons,

Titus

Titus

(1)

Firebringer

Doctor Drew

(1)

Lady Lambdadelta

Save the Dragons (1) Meuh

Firebringer

(1)

Black

NOT VOTING:

Skygazer

VC 3 eod

Malakittens

(10) Chandra Nalaar,

MathBlade

,

Titus

, Merlyn,

Firebringer

,

Lazy Shirou

,

Flavor Leaf

, Meuh, WhemeStar, DrippingGoofball
Save The Dragons (3)

ItalianoVD

,

SirCakez

, Not_Mafia
Meuh (3) Save the Dragons,

Malakittens

,

Black

ItalianoVD

(2) Yimmy,

biancospino

VC 4 eod (Modkilled)

ItalianoVD

(6) Yimmy, Not_Mafia,

Titus

, Save The Dragons,

Black

, DrippingGoofball

Black

(3)

Flavor Leaf

,

biancospino

, Meuh

Titus

(2) Chandra Nalaar,

Firebringer

DrippingGoofball (2) Merlyn,

ItalianoVD

Chandra Nalaar (1)

SirCakez

NOT VOTING: WhemeStar

VC 5 eod

Black

(7)

Flavor Leaf

, Chandra Nalaar, WhemeStar,

Titus

, Not_Mafia, Save The Dragons,

Black

WhemeStar (2)

SirCakez

, Merlyn

Titus

(1) DrippingGoofball
NOT VOTING: Meuh, Yimmy

VC 6 eod

Flavor Leaf

(4) Yimmy,

SirCakez

, Meuh,

Flavor Leaf

, Merlyn, Chandra Nalaar
NOT VOTING: Everyone Else

VC 7 eod

Titus

(5) DrippingGoofball, Yimmy, Merlyn, Meuh, Not_Mafia
NOT VOTING: Everyone Else

want to post this so i can look at it

[Chandra Nalaar]

@FL define main wagon.

I like WhemeStar pushing here. A less active slot doesn't open on LLD here.

Rathe and Black good game state lims.

NM and Metens policy.

Drew and Metens good game state lims.

this being the first mention of NM is interesting - no trajectory

yawn

more votes on italiano or meuh

Meuh? Wtf...

weird std interaction

I am waiting for Titus to do some stuff that makes me think she's town. I am so far accepting the excuse that she's really busy for why I haven't seen her town fire yet but she's on my radar.

I'm trying here. As things ease up, I am posting more. I don't know what more I can do to show Drew is blatant scum besides catching him in a lie.

Limming ItalianoVD isn't the worst in the world given it's Blue slot but I'd rather do Drew.

im not sure what to make of titus chucking squirtle in the town bin and defending them forever. might be interesting to look at the other side of it

Math, please let things develop. "Bad" things may happen but we need to sort this out. Think of it like not overtalking in Botc. Take note and see who moves.

I'm not a fan of an StD wagon but I don't have an issue with people who voted (minus Italiano). That can check work.

weird std interaction

I started the day with people scum reading me and when asked for a case they didn't provide it. i'm not sure what you're expecting me to do besides defend myself. i don't understand why that makes me scum. i don't really understand why anything that's been said against me makes me scum, so i'm not sure how i'm supposed to prove that i'm town to anyone.

i have said multiple times that meuh isn't attempting to solve which i think is good reason to lock onto meuh. patchwork wasn't much better.

i've explained in depth my chandra read.

i've developed many town reads, and there are many people i wouldn't touch but it seems like that's getting ignored.

i'm willing to answer any questions but no one is actually interested in asking me anything about my reads, people seem content to sandbag me for a playstyle that quite frankly is pretty easy to recognize as my town meta. i've been as present as i can be with what i've got going on and to hear it said differently is getting it twisted.

I'd love a readwall or at least a lim list from you. I'm catching up now.

weird std interaction

VOTE: Save The Dragons

No reason beyond making the top two wagons closer.

Totally fine with this.

weird std-related interaction

Mala would lim
Std meh not elo
Meuh town
ItalianoVD would lim

Chandra, how much are you aware of my health situation? I think you're expecting healthy Titus here.

I had a vague impression something was going on but that's about it - you don't need to go into detail, I will accept this is some component of what's happening

Long story short. It's a breathing issue and it takes much longer to do things and focus. Most of it is spent on my job and I had a jury trial during the game. But I'll breathe better after the surgery but they prescribe pain meds that are very intoxicating. That's all I think is needed for now.

did we really manufacture me writing a case wall only to get brushed off by "lol health issues" & no substantive response

My VCA is kaput and who really wants to ISO Flavor Leaf? The closest things that we have to analyze without taking hours are things like NM's statement that fighting Girtiana makes them town which is null (both the claim and the fighting). Most everyone's reads come from prior actions. No one really wants to put hours into a stale game, especially when injured and ignorable.

"whatever you do don't iso flavor leaf" fuck does this mean i have to

[Chandra Nalaar]

encore is a debuff i dont understand why those wouldnt go together

my problem with it is it sounds like the same move as encore through a game of telephone. anyway dgb is the more reliable source here. i'm not into a chandra/dgb scumteam right now

i dont understand what this means they arent similar at all?

[Save The Dragons]

I think i'm really going to care more about early days

Not Mafia's trajectory: D1 voting off main wagon with scum FL, not impossible to be voting with scum buddy. Hammers d2, votes with two townies d3 (on a townie but you don't know that). There's already 2 scum on Mala on D3, more if anyone in {Chandra, Merlyn, Meuh, Wheme, DGB} is scum which seems likely? Does N_M avoid this wagon because there's too much scum on it?

Yimmy's trajectory: on MG wagon, on LLD wagon, then goes onto italiano. Presence on D1 MG wagon, probably at least one scum on it, thus in {Yimmy, DGB, Meuh}. Could be scum on the second wagon and then pushing Italiano. But probably town due to role and play.

Chandra's trajectory: On meuh d1. On Italiano d2 with titus, but led the charge on Malakittens d3. Voting Titus d4.

DGB's trajectory: Uh. DGB is on every wagon on town for the first four days. Too obvious? Not on FL, but on Titus. Bussing titus?

Meuh's trajectory: On MG and Malakittens lims. On Black d4 but not d5. But would they join FL on Black d4?

Wheme's trajectory: Wheme votes off of MG wagon, but votes LLD and Mala. Wheme votes for Mala slot d1 and d3.

Merlyn's trajectory: On LLD d1 but Italiano D2. Earlier on Malakittens than Wheme.

I think there's scum in {Yimmy, DGB, Meuh} and {Wheme, DGB, Yimmy, N_M}. I am also postulating that there's scum in {Meuh, Chandra, Merlyn, and Wheme} (avoiding scum on Italiano's wagon, though this is less likely due to the modkill) and in {N_M, STD, and Yimmy} (avoiding scum already on Malakitten's wagon).

It's not me and probably not Yimmy so it's probably just N_M here. Then it's just DGB?

VOTE: Not_Mafia

[WhemeStar]

Sorry still trying to get this stuff sorted out all time and energy going to my computer rn