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[bob3141]

investigative role of unknown nature, but was able to detect a novice mason. so a role cop of some sort. honestly the claim is dubious and i have a lot of questions.

This feels like misrep. As i only ever said there was a 3rd mason. I never gave any extra details away and what your doing feels like fishing.


To be honest with teh low energy at the end of the first day one i actual doubt dragon is scum. 2 wagons tied 3 for 3 on 5 execution. It could of gone either way when it would have hit the deadline. So gut says scum didnt care who got exeucted and just preffered it hitting clidd

[bob3141]

HEM why do you think the mason is novice?

[humaneatingmonkey]

how is it a misrep?

Im a invest and i can confirm you have a third mason.

you literally said you were an invest and that you can confirm that you have a third mason.

And I'm not hiding what I'm doing. I'm downright asking you to elaborate because your claim is dubious. If that's fishing then yes I'm fishing.

2 masons, one backup or novice mason, one invest vs one weak scum role

I was hoping that post to be crumb worst but i think i made it to stand outy lol

so was it or was it not a crumb? can you be clearer?

[Save The Dragons]

i think i need to read this game again

[Save The Dragons]

gerain is a known and identified grouch

I'm a delight Day 2

[bob3141]

how is it a misrep?

Im a invest and i can confirm you have a third mason.

you literally said you were an invest and that you can confirm that you have a third mason.

And I'm not hiding what I'm doing. I'm downright asking you to elaborate because your claim is dubious. If that's fishing then yes I'm fishing.

2 masons, one backup or novice mason, one invest vs one weak scum role

I was hoping that post to be crumb worst but i think i made it to stand outy lol

so was it or was it not a crumb? can you be clearer?

"you have"? are you saying your not town. Looks like perspective slip

yes my side does have 3rd mason but im not going to out what type of mason. But answer my question HEM why did you jump on the conclusion that it was novice and why would it matter. And why would a 3rd mason sound made up to you?

If you are town why would it even cross your mind that it would be fake, as where would the motivation be to make up that i know there is a 3rd mason?

[humaneatingmonkey]

novice mason sounds made up because it's not really a role i have ever seen. you're the one who mentioned novice mason, so I'm not sure why it's me who jumped to any conclusions?
and i don't understand what other motivation you're looking for here, other than getting out of poe?

[Bingle]

VOTE: Bingle missed u friend <3

these are both good wagons

tweet i'm paranoid that you've charmed me and pocketed me and is the deepscum

??? but I'm already the deepscum

I subbed into this game specifically to play with you, and you immediately betrayal me like this. You really are just the worst.

[humaneatingmonkey]

"you have"? are you saying your not town. Looks like perspective slip

how confident are you in this little tell of yours

[Bingle]

novice mason sounds made up because it's not really a role i have ever seen. you're the one who mentioned novice mason, so I'm not sure why it's me who jumped to any conclusions?
and i don't understand what other motivation you're looking for here, other than getting out of poe?

This is probably town, fwiw. Scummonkee is more likely to realize that if bob is lying about there being a novice mason the claimed masons would presumably just say that. Bob is probably telling the truth, which doesn’t really make him town. Rolecop definitely makes sense as a scum role in a three mason setup, and assuming the masons aren’t the novices in question that’s what it sounds like.

[bob3141]

"you have"? are you saying your not town. Looks like perspective slip

how confident are you in this little tell of yours

tells 50/50.

[bob3141]

novice mason sounds made up because it's not really a role i have ever seen. you're the one who mentioned novice mason, so I'm not sure why it's me who jumped to any conclusions?
and i don't understand what other motivation you're looking for here, other than getting out of poe?

I never mention the 3rd mason was novice. The closest thing you have from be is info a crumb that was left slight vague to avoid givign scum to much info shoudl they spot it.

Just because you have never played with one doesnt cut it as there is no way your not experienced to know the full range of roles that can be in normals plus the gattings. Ive seen triple masons, 2 mason plus back up and 2 masons plus novice. suprised you havnt

[Bingle]

Could someone link the timing of my slots sus wagon hopping sos I can evaluate my wagon?

[bob3141]

novice mason sounds made up because it's not really a role i have ever seen. you're the one who mentioned novice mason, so I'm not sure why it's me who jumped to any conclusions?
and i don't understand what other motivation you're looking for here, other than getting out of poe?

This is probably town, fwiw. Scummonkee is more likely to realize that if bob is lying about there being a novice mason the claimed masons would presumably just say that. Bob is probably telling the truth, which doesn’t really make him town. Rolecop definitely makes sense as a scum role in a three mason setup, and assuming the masons aren’t the novices in question that’s what it sounds like.

Though tell me bingle why in your view would anything other than a town player even mention it? And why now?

Also in set up like this scum would prob have one pr which means in your view i can still catch it if i was a town rolecop.

[Bingle]

novice mason sounds made up because it's not really a role i have ever seen. you're the one who mentioned novice mason, so I'm not sure why it's me who jumped to any conclusions?
and i don't understand what other motivation you're looking for here, other than getting out of poe?

I never mention the 3rd mason was novice. The closest thing you have from be is info a crumb that was left slight vague to avoid givign scum to much info shoudl they spot it.

Just because you have never played with one doesnt cut it as there is no way your not experienced to know the full range of roles that can be in normals plus the gattings. Ive seen triple masons, 2 mason plus back up and 2 masons plus novice. suprised you havnt

This entire line of questioning is boring. There is no scum motivation for bob to be lying about whether there’s a third mason, because it’s an incredibly easy to catch lie. It would be literal suicide.

[bob3141]

Personaly i think the 3 masons should choose the order of executions. What ever they pick they have my vote

[Bingle]

Though tell me bingle why in your view would anything other than a town player even mention it? And why now?

Also in set up like this scum would prob have one pr which means in your view i can still catch it if i was a town rolecop.

Why wouldn’t they mention it? If you’re a scum rolecop who found a third mason, you can just kill the outed masons instead of the novice and look perfectly alright for a while. You don’t really look bad for claiming. You’re also not wrong in that if town you’re probably going to be a nk at some point, so…

[Bingle]

Pretend that wasn’t borked.

[Bingle]

Personaly i think the 3 masons should choose the order of executions. What ever they pick they have my vote

Eh. Sheep the IC leads to town losses a lot ime, because the rest of the players stop caring and the ics just get killed. It’s a pretty good way of ensuring none of your players are engaged in the late game leading to an easy scum XLO.

[bob3141]

but worst is a mason he is good solver. True i wouldnt give that power to elements

although prob obvous dont want to out the 3rd unless they hint that its fine

[Save The Dragons]

I'm finding clidd pretty suspicious right now

[bob3141]

yes def dont give the power to elements lol

[Bingle]

It’s not that the ics shouldn’t weigh in, it’s that going “oh, the worst can solve the game for us” leaves us in a pretty pickle when the worst eats a bullet.

[humaneatingmonkey]

i think it's smart for the 3rd to be outed just so when the masons die, there aren't any scum claiming to be the 3rd. we already have two of the masons outted, so I'm not sure why there's value not outting a 3rd. it's not like scum has a shortage of pr claims to flip.

[Save The Dragons]

i think it's interesting HEM goes after Daisy for being over explainy after 2 people are voting for Daisy. Knowing Daisy is town, it seems like it's an attempt to get a wagon going. Pushback from Roden, Gera, and Clidd make this unlikely, so they get off to vote Takutai later.

Then there's 270, which susses tweet but no vote

291 seems important, this is where Roden tr's HEM.

in 297, HEM isn't thinking about this yet, they're considering ckd, and their seemingly arbitrary vote on Takutai is gone.

humaneatingmonkey

gives out town vibes as well. I agree with almost all of his thoughts in this game so far.

completely ignored by HEM I think to target Roden's reasons for tring HEM. I think this is pretty damning.

I found 205 kinda suspicious as

Roden

didn't seem to be that focused on the game prior to making that post, and felt the need to specifically defend

OopsieDaisy

's behavior. Too early to say if I'm onto anything with it though.

Trying to test the waters of a roden mislim.

It isn't until 339 that HEM decides to attack Roden. This might be +town for HEM tbh because why would scum need to test the waters with Roden with two people, if Greetings is the first to suggest Roden is scummy, HEM jumping on could just be town assuming Greetings has good intentions and agreeing. that's not to say it's impossible for hem to be scum.

gonna keep reading before i do anything, i'm starting to remember not liking hem and roden's exchange but i haven't gotten to that point yet.