I firmly believe that a truthfull massclaim would be a crapshoot and would actually just exacerbate whatever the mechanical advantage already is, which I don't think is necessarily an advantage in town's favor. I'm also not opposed to massclaim.In post 309, Ranger wrote: Meanwhile, I wanted to say I legitimately believe at this point a truthful massclaim would likely break the game in favor of the town.
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"He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
"I was playing against the timer known as bingle tbh." ~Chennisden
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I mean in their specific interactions with DragonEater, there is an element of stilted niceness not present in any other interaction with a user in this game. I know my role, while definitely not working the same way, does have an element of being forced into making a choice early on and having to engage with a user in a certain way if you want to use your ability (as I said earlier, I ended up abandoning my choice due to other things of more import imo and now I don't have a viable way to get back on them today)In post 438, Bingle wrote:
I haven't been reading 'nice' into Koba's play. Condescending, sure, but that's not really AI for them. What I think is slightly scummy from them is the push on you, which reads incredibly surface level and doesn't sound to me like something Koba would push. To reference TM, this is like Fate in my game. You're both from a completely different era of mafia and in that game there was a significant amount of taking that into consideration that just feels absent here.In post 286, AniX wrote: Yeah, but they being artificially nice about it.Official Gimmick List:
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I'm kind of conflicted about this Koba push. I don't dislike the people on it and I think Koba could well be scum here, but all of the reasons to vote Koba I've seen have very much felt like "Oooh Shiny" votes."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
"I was playing against the timer known as bingle tbh." ~Chennisden
"it's truest in mechanical games (if he gets a gritty setup and is town in it and needs to save the day, he starts levitating and his eyes start glowing. not exaggerating, it literally happens)." ~Ducky-
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Noted, I'll take a look at the interactions there when my to do list is empty.In post 451, AniX wrote: I mean in their specific interactions with DragonEater, there is an element of stilted niceness not present in any other interaction with a user in this game. I know my role, while definitely not working the same way, does have an element of being forced into making a choice early on and having to engage with a user in a certain way if you want to use your ability (as I said earlier, I ended up abandoning my choice due to other things of more import imo and now I don't have a viable way to get back on them today)"He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
"I was playing against the timer known as bingle tbh." ~Chennisden
"it's truest in mechanical games (if he gets a gritty setup and is town in it and needs to save the day, he starts levitating and his eyes start glowing. not exaggerating, it literally happens)." ~Ducky-
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In post 436, Cook wrote:
you bring up a pointIn post 423, Doctor Drew wrote:
I see how it is....In post 408, Cook wrote: off the top of my head, here’s people i think have been making an impact and in what order
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AniX
Alisae
Fenrir
DragonEater
Bingle
Ranger
Theta
CamelCasedSnivy
Ircher
KKFC
if i am missing your name you haven’t posted recently or i straight up forgot you existed
where IS everyone else
Busy wearing a cool hat.
Right?!?!"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
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you’re RIGHT we need more silly hats
do you want a chef hat? if you want a chef hat i will make it for you
i will also probably be giving chef hats to everyone so yknowYour friendly neighborhood chef and baker. LONG LIVE THE CHEFHAT REBELLION!
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The premise here seems to be that you think only one of the submitters would submit neg utility roles. Do you have anything to support this theory? Because I would actually expect an average of 1 negative utility role from each submitter and would thus expect a large number of town roles with at least some negative utility involved.In post 324, DkKoba wrote: We can be reasonably sure that at *most* only 1 person Claiming neg utility is a mafia member at most if less than 5 and if 5 or more that means we should kill within that pool."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
"I was playing against the timer known as bingle tbh." ~Chennisden
"it's truest in mechanical games (if he gets a gritty setup and is town in it and needs to save the day, he starts levitating and his eyes start glowing. not exaggerating, it literally happens)." ~Ducky-
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Why? It's so easy.In post 334, Save The Dragons wrote: I wouldn't try to buddy koba lol"He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
"I was playing against the timer known as bingle tbh." ~Chennisden
"it's truest in mechanical games (if he gets a gritty setup and is town in it and needs to save the day, he starts levitating and his eyes start glowing. not exaggerating, it literally happens)." ~Ducky-
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nah still pretty sure tbone is like the only one who would submit severalIn post 456, Bingle wrote:
The premise here seems to be that you think only one of the submitters would submit neg utility roles. Do you have anything to support this theory? Because I would actually expect an average of 1 negative utility role from each submitter and would thus expect a large number of town roles with at least some negative utility involved.In post 324, DkKoba wrote: We can be reasonably sure that at *most* only 1 person Claiming neg utility is a mafia member at most if less than 5 and if 5 or more that means we should kill within that pool.
You'd have a point if there was like 2 but there's like 4+-
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pocketing me is like pocketing a hand grenadeIn post 457, Bingle wrote:
Why? It's so easy.In post 334, Save The Dragons wrote: I wouldn't try to buddy koba lol-
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dangerous if associated with its target, useful if thrown at scumIn post 459, DkKoba wrote:
pocketing me is like pocketing a hand grenadeIn post 457, Bingle wrote:
Why? It's so easy.In post 334, Save The Dragons wrote: I wouldn't try to buddy koba lolYour friendly neighborhood chef and baker. LONG LIVE THE CHEFHAT REBELLION!
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Sorry, fixed that for you.In post 386, Alisae wrote:
oh noIn post 253, Bingle wrote: Ranger
Alisae
AniX
Alisae
Skygazer
Alisae
Cook
Alisae
JasonWazza
Alisae
DragonEater70
Alisae
JasonWazza
Alisae
DkKoba
Alisae
Save The Dragons
Furret
These are my reads so far. If your name isn't present it means you didn't leave an impression.
I am actually scumreading STD.
VOTE: STD
bingle is mafia
its cuz he has jason listed twice"He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
"I was playing against the timer known as bingle tbh." ~Chennisden
"it's truest in mechanical games (if he gets a gritty setup and is town in it and needs to save the day, he starts levitating and his eyes start glowing. not exaggerating, it literally happens)." ~Ducky-
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Cook SheMafia ScumShe
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pfft
bingle could be scum hereYour friendly neighborhood chef and baker. LONG LIVE THE CHEFHAT REBELLION!
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In post 461, Bingle wrote:
Sorry, fixed that for you.In post 386, Alisae wrote:
oh noIn post 253, Bingle wrote: Ranger
Alisae
AniX
Alisae
Skygazer
Alisae
Cook
Alisae
JasonWazza
Alisae
DragonEater70
Alisae
JasonWazza
Alisae
DkKoba
Alisae
Save The Dragons
Furret
These are my reads so far. If your name isn't present it means you didn't leave an impression.
I am actually scumreading STD.
VOTE: STD
bingle is mafia
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Bingle Survivor
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You sound like all those people who told me not to put steel wool and batteries in the same pocket. But who else here can claim to have cast Fireball?In post 459, DkKoba wrote:
pocketing me is like pocketing a hand grenadeIn post 457, Bingle wrote:
Why? It's so easy.In post 334, Save The Dragons wrote: I wouldn't try to buddy koba lol"He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
"I was playing against the timer known as bingle tbh." ~Chennisden
"it's truest in mechanical games (if he gets a gritty setup and is town in it and needs to save the day, he starts levitating and his eyes start glowing. not exaggerating, it literally happens)." ~Ducky-
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Bingle Survivor
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Ali, that's not an M&M."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
"I was playing against the timer known as bingle tbh." ~Chennisden
"it's truest in mechanical games (if he gets a gritty setup and is town in it and needs to save the day, he starts levitating and his eyes start glowing. not exaggerating, it literally happens)." ~Ducky-
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DkKoba They/ThemSurvivorThey/Them
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I just realized this is(I believe) the first game with Ali where I don't know their alignment.In post 463, Alisae wrote:In post 461, Bingle wrote:
Sorry, fixed that for you.In post 386, Alisae wrote:
oh noIn post 253, Bingle wrote: Ranger
Alisae
AniX
Alisae
Skygazer
Alisae
Cook
Alisae
JasonWazza
Alisae
DragonEater70
Alisae
JasonWazza
Alisae
DkKoba
Alisae
Save The Dragons
Furret
These are my reads so far. If your name isn't present it means you didn't leave an impression.
I am actually scumreading STD.
VOTE: STD
bingle is mafia
its cuz he has jason listed twice
Will I put this knowledge of their scum and town game to good use? Probably not!
But exciting at the very least.
IDrewkinda feel I could figure them out as town though.
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DkKoba They/ThemSurvivorThey/Them
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DragonEater70
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AniX
wow even sorting by TR reaches a similar conclusion p much huh.
no informed opinion
KatyKimFanClub - lean scum
JasonWazza - damn this guy probably getting replaced
Random Nurse - have actually not read a single post if they have posted
Ircher - same
Aureal - their posting style is one of my kryptonites bc it feels pure but in a sorta manipulative way-
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no im crazy hard to read and my range is infinite.In post 467, Doctor Drew wrote: Will I put this knowledge of their scum and town game to good use? Probably not!
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Bingle Survivor
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What I'm saying is I'd vaguely expect the average number of negative utility submissions among town submissions to be 1. We're looking at a setup of 17/24 submissions, which means that probably 2-3 scum submissions were dropped and 4-5 town submissions were dropped. So presumably we have 12OR13/18 town roles in play. That leaves us with a mathematical model of (1 * 6 negative utility roles) * (2/3) individual role inclusion, assuming that town can accurately judge whether their role is ACTUALLY negative utility and there aren't false negatives or false positives. That gives me a rough expectation of 4 negative utility town roles actually existing, with significant room for that number to be larger or smaller, based on how 6 different individuals approached balance. Then you get into roles like mine which probably aren't really negative utility but rather anti snowball roles, and I have very little faith in a lim in/out of negative utility claims strat.In post 458, DkKoba wrote:
nah still pretty sure tbone is like the only one who would submit severalIn post 456, Bingle wrote:
The premise here seems to be that you think only one of the submitters would submit neg utility roles. Do you have anything to support this theory? Because I would actually expect an average of 1 negative utility role from each submitter and would thus expect a large number of town roles with at least some negative utility involved.In post 324, DkKoba wrote: We can be reasonably sure that at *most* only 1 person Claiming neg utility is a mafia member at most if less than 5 and if 5 or more that means we should kill within that pool.
You'd have a point if there was like 2 but there's like 4+"He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
"I was playing against the timer known as bingle tbh." ~Chennisden
"it's truest in mechanical games (if he gets a gritty setup and is town in it and needs to save the day, he starts levitating and his eyes start glowing. not exaggerating, it literally happens)." ~Ducky-
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Alisae lolbalance
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std ali koba aureal cook
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ranger skygazer katy drew
theta
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In post 470, Alisae wrote: no im crazy hard to read and my range is infinite."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
"I was playing against the timer known as bingle tbh." ~Chennisden
"it's truest in mechanical games (if he gets a gritty setup and is town in it and needs to save the day, he starts levitating and his eyes start glowing. not exaggerating, it literally happens)." ~Ducky
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