Open 880 - Normal Idea Mafia - Postgame

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VOTE: STD

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VOTE: Skygazer

In this house we stan NM

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you guys are rude

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VOTE: biancospino

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First time playing in a large game, and not_mafia's post looks like a mafia who is trying to act like a jester
VOTE: not_mafia

NM does that every game

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VOTE: Not_Mafia

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VOTE: Not_Mafia
HEAL: Not_Mafia, Not_Mafia, Not_Mafia, Not_Mafia, Not_Mafia,

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First time playing in a large game, and not_mafia's post looks like a mafia who is trying to act like a jester
VOTE: not_mafia

Also Jester is explicitly non-normal so even if for some reason they didn't check what roles got posted they'd still know there can't be a Jester. Why do you think NM is scum trying to act like Jester?

[usesPython]

day three of quitting arguably the worst one

gl gl, just think of the money you're saving

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First time playing in a large game, and not_mafia's post looks like a mafia who is trying to act like a jester
VOTE: not_mafia

Also Jester is explicitly non-normal so even if for some reason they didn't check what roles got posted they'd still know there can't be a Jester. Why do you think NM is scum trying to act like Jester?

Hey, it's just a rvs joke, i know jester isn't on the deck (nor normal).

Oh we read it as serious

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VOTE: skygazer

That's... not a joke
Wow, are we really out of rvs this fast

This gives bad vibes

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VOTE: skygazer

That's... not a joke
Wow, are we really out of rvs this fast

thoughts/opinions?

You can be town for now

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40 was a bit towny

Why would you consider 40 towny?

even if joking, it felt like a poking and prodding mindset which is a bit more likely to come from town this early

40 just feels like a normal Drew post

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feels uncomfortable and over defensive

You can also be town for now

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Wow this game is easy

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FoS: Python

for trying to blind us by multiquoting Not_Mafia entrances

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VOTE: heip

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I have a feeling I got wagoned whenever I tried to push the game out of rvs as town ...

We're voting you cause the vibes are off

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Liking my vote more here tbh

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Liking my vote more here tbh

Like there's an implicit assumption that the wagon is pure that I think is +scum

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I have a feeling I got wagoned whenever I tried to push the game out of rvs as town ...

We're voting you cause the vibes are off

Liking my vote more here tbh

Like there's an implicit assumption that the wagon is pure that I think is +scum

VOTE: python
There is no such assumption, implicit or otherwise.
Like, this is a perfectly valid argument as long as one doesn't pay mind on the unsoundness of the premise that it asserts, that I think is +scum

I have a feeling I got wagoned whenever I tried to push the game out of rvs as town ...

He's still got his vote on NM from rvs and hasn't pushed anyone, wtf are you talking about

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bianco/heip/someone else is the scumteam, wow this is really easy

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Like he didn't even ask questions to try to figure out if there's scum motivation for voting him, he just immediately went "yeah ok". How is that not implicitly assuming the wagon is pure?

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VOTE: bianco

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Man after Weird Dreams it's weird being able to scumread people again

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im gonna assume that if heip is town then theres one scum on the wagon rn

wagon feels pure imo

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wait UNOwen is on the wagon nvm

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hi tweet!

mostly agree with above, though i can see bianco as town who just doesn't like calling things ai

We're the opposite tbh, we can see town!heip/scum!bianco pocketing heip as well as scum!heip/scum!bianco

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hi tweet!

mostly agree with above, though i can see bianco as town who just doesn't like calling things ai

There is no such assumption, implicit or otherwise.
Like, this is a perfectly valid argument as long as one doesn't pay mind on the unsoundness of the premise that it asserts, that I think is +scum

bianco's position is that if the assumption is there it's +scum but that the assumption isn't there

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I have a feeling I got wagoned whenever I tried to push the game out of rvs as town ...

Oh, oh, wait, what's this? Is this heip aknowledging they get wagoned every time they do a thing? And so there need not be a specific ai motivation for such a wagon to form? Well then.

Is it town that wagons him or scum? Do scum hop on the wagon or go bat for him? Like wtf is this level 0 read no shit wagons are AI

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bianco flipping red makes heip pretty green, getting strong pocketing vibes here

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Like all of biancos town!heip theories are like alternate explanation stuff that'd come to mind if you start from the position that heip is town and then run the mindset from there

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Like all of biancos town!heip theories are like alternate explanation stuff that'd come to mind if you start from the position that heip is town and then run the mindset from there

Lol. I'd like to hear what those "theories" of mine might be.

Beside just not accepting that heip's tmi'ing

which, yknow, the onus is really on you on that as far as I'm concerned, you are the one with the claim

That's the entire reason we're calling you scum here:

The town perspective:

• I don't know heip's alignment
  
• heip's complaining about getting wagoned but also not voting or pushing or interacting with anyone on his wagon
  
• therefore it's reasonable to assume heip thinks his wagon is pure
  
• therefore the people pushing him could be town

The scum perspective:

• I know heip is town
  
• heip's complaining about getting wagoned but also not voting or pushing or interacting with anyone on his wagon
  
• since heip is town that means he thinks the wagon is NAI
  
• therefore I can counterwagon the people pushing him for towncred

[usesPython]

Like it's disingenuous to say that it's "just" you not accepting heip's tmi'ing when you start a counterwagon

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Can be that you really think it's obvious

We do yeah

but frankly that just doesn't parse for me that way at all

Then we don't really have anything else to say to each other so we're just gonna focus on other slots for now

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Spoiler: Warning: quote wall ahead

First time playing in a large game, and not_mafia's post looks like a mafia who is trying to act like a jester
VOTE: not_mafia

Also Jester is explicitly non-normal so even if for some reason they didn't check what roles got posted they'd still know there can't be a Jester. Why do you think NM is scum trying to act like Jester?

Hey, it's just a rvs joke, i know jester isn't on the deck (nor normal).

Nothing serious tbh.

40 was a bit towny

Why would you consider 40 towny?

First time playing in a large game, and not_mafia's post looks like a mafia who is trying to act like a jester
VOTE: not_mafia

Also Jester is explicitly non-normal so even if for some reason they didn't check what roles got posted they'd still know there can't be a Jester. Why do you think NM is scum trying to act like Jester?

Hey, it's just a rvs joke, i know jester isn't on the deck (nor normal).

Oh we read it as serious

VOTE: skygazer

That's... not a joke
Wow, are we really out of rvs this fast

This gives bad vibes

feels uncomfortable and over defensive

You can also be town for now

VOTE: heip

I have a feeling I got wagoned whenever I tried to push the game out of rvs as town ...

I have a feeling I got wagoned whenever I tried to push the game out of rvs as town ...

We're voting you cause the vibes are off

Liking my vote more here tbh

Like there's an implicit assumption that the wagon is pure that I think is +scum

VOTE: python
There is no such assumption, implicit or otherwise.
Like, this is a perfectly valid argument as long as one doesn't pay mind on the unsoundness of the premise that it asserts, that I think is +scum

I have a feeling I got wagoned whenever I tried to push the game out of rvs as town ...

He's still got his vote on NM from rvs and hasn't pushed anyone, wtf are you talking about

Like all of biancos town!heip theories are like alternate explanation stuff that'd come to mind if you start from the position that heip is town and then run the mindset from there

Lol. I'd like to hear what those "theories" of mine might be.

Beside just not accepting that heip's tmi'ing

which, yknow, the onus is really on you on that as far as I'm concerned, you are the one with the claim

That's the entire reason we're calling you scum here:

The town perspective:

• I don't know heip's alignment
  
• heip's complaining about getting wagoned but also not voting or pushing or interacting with anyone on his wagon
  
• therefore it's reasonable to assume heip thinks his wagon is pure
  
• therefore the people pushing him could be town

The scum perspective:

• I know heip is town
  
• heip's complaining about getting wagoned but also not voting or pushing or interacting with anyone on his wagon
  
• since heip is town that means he thinks the wagon is NAI
  
• therefore I can counterwagon the people pushing him for towncred

I don't like python's reasoning here, 128 explained the reason why python considered me as scum after 89, however, it didn't explain why they considered players being town for scumreading me in 76. As you know, the same gut feeling on someone doesn't guarantee both of town.

Mindmelds are +town when they come to the same conclusion without us having to say anything.

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Like STD verbalised the exact type of vibe we were feeling from you, it wasn't just "oh STD is scumreading heip, town"

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Snivy's posts flow better than they did in Weird Dreams

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aureal feels bad here

I think she normally takes until like post 300+ to start townposting

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Invis not hyperposting is pretty weird

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Like last time we were town together we took the #1 and #2 posters by postcount prize

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humaneatingmonkey replaces Merlyn.

Moderator Announcement

There was some confusion relating to a post I made in the Normal Idea Mafia thread.

Serial Killer Rolecop 3-Shot Commuter

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I'm referring to 17, 36, and 39. I only intend to use the first 100 posts for this run.

I never made it explicit in the Setup Information post, so I will clarify now that this was an earlier plan that I did not end up following. This game's setup was rolled using the entire 150-post deck.
That's all.

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VOTE: humaneatingmonkey

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Actually no nvm the timing on that would imply that monkey is sk since it was too close together to have read through the entire role list so if our angleshooting is correct they looked up parts of their role. If they were groupscum that would have probably popped up earlier

rn don't really care about sk that much

VOTE: Invis post

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hi python, can you explain your townreads on infinity and std

mindmeld

can you also walk me through your biancospino scumread i couldn't understand

feels like tmi'ing on heip's slot, what parts of

Like all of biancos town!heip theories are like alternate explanation stuff that'd come to mind if you start from the position that heip is town and then run the mindset from there

Lol. I'd like to hear what those "theories" of mine might be.

Beside just not accepting that heip's tmi'ing

which, yknow, the onus is really on you on that as far as I'm concerned, you are the one with the claim

That's the entire reason we're calling you scum here:

The town perspective:

• I don't know heip's alignment
  
• heip's complaining about getting wagoned but also not voting or pushing or interacting with anyone on his wagon
  
• therefore it's reasonable to assume heip thinks his wagon is pure
  
• therefore the people pushing him could be town

The scum perspective:

• I know heip is town
  
• heip's complaining about getting wagoned but also not voting or pushing or interacting with anyone on his wagon
  
• since heip is town that means he thinks the wagon is NAI
  
• therefore I can counterwagon the people pushing him for towncred

are you having trouble with?

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you look almost town except i couldn't quite agree with a lot of your reads, so you could be just very good scum! what's your mafia experience

like a bunch of town games, 2 newbie games were we replaced in as scum (1 win/1 loss), and 1 multiball scum game where we replaced out d1

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comprehension. can you explain it in some other way? you voted him on #106 so I'm mainly interested in what inspired the vote

The 106 vote was like 50% just gut telling us "somethings up", it's only after 113 that it really became a solidified scumread

Basically we think there's a difference between "No you're wrong" and "No you're wrong + vote" in 101 since while the first implies

• heip's complaining about getting wagoned but also not voting or pushing or interacting with anyone on his wagon
  
• bianco doesn't think he thinks the wagon is pure but can see how town could come to that conclusion

the second implies

• heip's complaining about getting wagoned but also not voting or pushing or interacting with anyone on his wagon
  
• bianco doesn't think he thinks the wagon is pure and doesn't see how town could come to that conclusion

which doesn't seem like a real thought town has and instead seems better explained with the informed mindset of

• heip's complaining about getting wagoned but also not voting or pushing or interacting with anyone on his wagon
  
• since heip is town that means he thinks the wagon is NAI
  
• yep, it's pocketing time

after 113

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comprehension. can you explain it in some other way? you voted him on #106 so I'm mainly interested in what inspired the vote

The 106 vote was like 50% just gut telling us "somethings up", it's only after 113 that it really became a solidified scumread

Basically we think there's a difference between "No you're wrong" and "No you're wrong + vote" in 101 since while the first implies

• heip's complaining about getting wagoned but also not voting or pushing or interacting with anyone on his wagon
  
• bianco doesn't think he thinks the wagon is pure but can see how town could come to that conclusion

the second implies

• heip's complaining about getting wagoned but also not voting or pushing or interacting with anyone on his wagon
  
• bianco doesn't think he thinks the wagon is pure and doesn't see how town could come to that conclusion

which doesn't seem like a real thought town has and instead seems better explained with the informed mindset of

• heip's complaining about getting wagoned but also not voting or pushing or interacting with anyone on his wagon
  
• since heip is town that means he thinks the wagon is NAI
  
• yep, it's pocketing time

after 113

Like bianco's heip read by itself isn't

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+scum, it's the read + counterwagon that pushes it over the edge cause of what it implies about the underlying thoughts

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Like this is just a trash argument thou. Borderline only works if we think our mod royally screwed up

I'm going to boldly assume there's no way Alianna posts that announcment, linking to a specific role post in the NIM thread, in rensponse to a player with that role asking questions, and especially not such a player like HEM that would already be in the spotlight for being replaced. Like, no way she's going to modspew stuff that hard

Moderator Announcement

There was some confusion relating to a post I made in the Normal Idea Mafia thread.

Serial Killer Rolecop 3-Shot Commuter

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I'm referring to 17, 36, and 39. I only intend to use the first 100 posts for this run.

I never made it explicit in the Setup Information post, so I will clarify now that this was an earlier plan that I did not end up following. This game's setup was rolled using the entire 150-post deck.
That's all.

Emphasis ours. We're not saying HEM is exactly

Serial Killer Rolecop 3-Shot Commuter

, we're saying that if our angleshooting is correct and HEM is scum they can Rolecop or Commute and that it doesn't make sense for them to be groupscum since that would have come up earlier when Merlyn was looking up her role

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VOTE: bianco

I feel like bianco probably flips scum here and that her flipping scum just straight up clears the heip slot

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VOTE: bianco

I feel like bianco probably flips scum here and that her flipping scum just straight up clears the heip slot

Yes, we know, you said that yesterday already

We should say that tomorrow too

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sorry im even more confused because of the double negative

:\ We don't really know how to make it simpler than that, sorry

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If we drop the explanation of how we got the read it's basically a vibe read that turned into a "Bianco is pocketing heip/setting herself up for towncred after a town!heip flip"

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invis trying to pivot guys

btw was Weird Dreams you legit trying to scumhunt or were you just making stuff up?

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this is probably a fair assertion in a vacuum but like it feels like tunneling here. It feels weirdly combatative (how do you spell that word)* but I think it's coming from a mindset of finding the evil boogeymonster and trying to find every opportunity to take them down

*so I've just discovered it's combative. Like it's three syllables. What. Did everyone else know this

We can kinda see it?

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UNVOTE:

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Invis is probably town for that regardless of what Bianco flips

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Like we disagree on the fair assertion thing but we can see the tunneling argument

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VOTE: Aureal

oh no

They've already figured out that Not_Mafia and I decided in the scum PT to just shit post this game

oh no

what do I do

maybe I should stop monologuing

Do you like have any reads? Normally you would have posted something game related by now

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Not sure about python, if python enter this game using an alt account, I'd probably townlean them, but 70 makes me hesitate.

What do you mean by this

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i want to decide that python is town but their progression on bianco either felt like town tunneling and confbiasing or scum trying to justify their push by developing their position on bianco

their withdrawal was not consistent with how confident i thought they would be. reads more like scum whose fire was put out because nobody else was buying their push.

We've gone from hardcore scumreading people to hardcore townreading people in one post for absolute moonlogic reasons as town before (Hi Aureal), if you're reading our alignment off read progression or logic you're gonna be wrong a lot

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Aureal quit lurking in the scum PT and go post already

VOTE: Aureal

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Aureal quit lurking in the scum PT and go post already

VOTE: Aureal

Like we see you posting in the song contest thread, where the heck are your townposts like

I'm guessing that your serious vote is because WhemeStar did confirm, unlike others who were slow to post?

or

I have no idea what Rautherdir is trying to say here and I'm starting to wonder if there's really something to the idea that he's trying to muddle things to avoid town getting confirmed innocents from the nightmare.

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i was trying to come up with a way to stop scum from easily claiming by doing something like claiming your post number mod 5 but that only helps scum

If the idea here is forcing scum to commit to a fakeclaim out of the gate, it can be done quite trivially.

Like, everyone secretly chooses a random (200+N)-digits prime p and a random (500-N)-digits prime q and publicly posts pq. Retrieving p is unfeasible; 200 and 500 can be freely increased if we want more security.

Thou this may be cryptography, idk;

@mod?

That's cryptography, rule of thumb is that if someone who didn't know about the key can't get to it then it's cryptography

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ccs is like at worst sk, we're townbinning them for now

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My role rhymes with mult reader

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ccs is probably town

why

Why not

1. she voted for you initially in rvs, and in my recollection she has not elaborated her read on you nor was it ever obvious that she was trying to sort you. and then later she says you had a sizable chance of being scum?
2. she votes for my slot insinuating that alianna's mention of a serial killer after my replace in. she's apparently confident enough of this read to park it. it's a very convenient way to avoid dealing with the game as scum and bank your vote on a modpost.

these are just some of the questionable stuff for me. i can also entertain that she could just be town, but i haven't seen anything to make me say this slot is town yet. I'm interested in your town case.

Our experience with Snivy has him making weird reads, but his actual scumtell is when those reads like just don't go anywhere. Like in Weird Dreams we were consensus town d1, he genuinely scumread us, but like he didn't really care to get us limmed if that makes sense? Like there was no worry about us hard "deepwolfing", especially when he claimed 3-shot alignment cop but also didn't even check us n1

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cuz i checked titus

Yeah that's our point. We were basically unlimmable from a dayplay perspective whereas Titus could have

maybe

been limmable with sheep and I not TRing her, yet you copped her over us because you didn't

really

care about deepwolves as cult

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ngl we wouldn't mind a UNOwen wagon at some point just to get some more from the slot but at this point we're staying parked on Aureal until she towntells

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cuz i checked titus

Yeah that's our point. We were basically unlimmable from a dayplay perspective whereas Titus could have

maybe

been limmable with sheep and I not TRing her, yet you copped her over us because you didn't

really

care about deepwolves as cult

You have a tendency to apply your play/strategy to everyone else.

It sometimes leads you down the wrong path, this isn't me calling you scum at all, just something I noticed with you......respectfully

This doesn't feel like a Drew post and I don't know what to make of that

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cuz i checked titus

Yeah that's our point. We were basically unlimmable from a dayplay perspective whereas Titus could have

maybe

been limmable with sheep and I not TRing her, yet you copped her over us because you didn't

really

care about deepwolves as cult

You have a tendency to apply your play/strategy to everyone else.

It sometimes leads you down the wrong path, this isn't me calling you scum at all, just something I noticed with you......respectfully

Anyways we know lol, that's why the games we do well in are the ones where we spend the entire game sheeping obvtown

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I have called you out on this before, in other games, unless I am going crazy.

Usually involving me lol.

It's the "respectfully" that's pinging us I think

[usesPython]

Like you did mention it in that Newbie game we played in but that was after a reaction test where you shitpushed us a bit, here it feels weird tonally cause it feels like you're tiptoeing around it

[usesPython]

Makes sense, Chet Hanks isn't Drew

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Our experience with Snivy has him making weird reads, but his actual scumtell is when those reads like just don't go anywhere. Like in Weird Dreams we were consensus town d1, he genuinely scumread us, but like he didn't really care to get us limmed if that makes sense? Like there was no worry about us hard "deepwolfing", especially when he claimed 3-shot alignment cop but also didn't even check us n1

cuz i checked titus

Yeah that's our point. We were basically unlimmable from a dayplay perspective whereas Titus could have

maybe

been limmable with sheep and I not TRing her, yet you copped her over us because you didn't

really

care about deepwolves as cult

"scum!Snivy does a thing [which he isn't doing here], look at <game> of cult!Snivy"
"I didn't do the thing in <game>, because reasons"
"Yes you did"

What is this. Am I just reading it wrong? Why would Snivy contest a meta that would paint him as not scum

You're reading it wrong, cult!Snivy scumread us (literally completely consensus town outside of Snivy) and copped Titus (Mostly consensus town but had doubters) who I don't even remember if he scumread at like any point during the day

[usesPython]

Like I think it was tongue in cheek (Didn't check us cause he copped Titus and he couldn't check us both at the same time) but the meta read still holds

[usesPython]

Not sure about python, if python enter this game using an alt account, I'd probably townlean them, but 70 makes me hesitate.

What do you mean by this

Sorry, I mean 79.

Still don't get it

[usesPython]

I have called you out on this before, in other games, unless I am going crazy.

Usually involving me lol.

It's the "respectfully" that's pinging us I think

lmao

is drew usually disrespectful

He's not disrespectful he's just not respectful unless there's like a blowup if that makes sense

[usesPython]

Like if he's gonna go respectful mode it'd be after something like

Please look at the wagon on us and tell us how we live past d2

You're smart. I'm not putting it past you to figure it out

We forgot to ask this earlier, but where exactly is this conception of us coming from?

-A

If you are town then scum will keep you alive since you are so misguided.

If you are scum(which is the only thing that makes sense here), other scum probably won't view you as a threat.

So don't you worry, I don't have a conception you are a smart player.

We weren't asking you

-A

Like wtf is even the point of quoting a question that's not even for you just to call us an idiot, what the hell's your problem

-A

Post Edit: Came off a bit meaner then I meant it, I mean that I get what you are doing as scum, but other scum would keep you alive since you are also misguided(unless this by design?) thinking you have caught scum(me).

It also boggles my mind that this all started because Bulge didn't really comment on me, and somehow that makes me look scummier then them lol.

Pre Edit: Again sorry, wasn't trying to insult you, just your play.

And on phone, didn't feel like editing down the post.

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Oh Snivy's the first serious wagon that we didn't scumcase today we should probably sheep that at some point

[usesPython]

Oh Snivy's the first serious wagon that we didn't scumcase today we should probably sheep that at some point

what happened to sk at worst

Our reads are like worse than random, we went over this lol

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The only +town thing about our reads and cases is that they get us townread, people sheeping us tends to cause either town losses or town winning in spite of our play

[usesPython]

Like you literally just came from a town sweep where I townread every single scum member that wasn't outright claiming scum like Ircher

[usesPython]

Oh Snivy's the first serious wagon that we didn't scumcase today we should probably sheep that at some point

what happened to sk at worst

Also like both Drew and you have said our towncase of you is wrong here so idk why you're so surprised that we're willing to sheep other people when our read was built on faulty premises

"scum!Snivy does a thing [which he isn't doing here], look at <game> of cult!Snivy"
"I didn't do the thing in <game>, because reasons"
"Yes you did"

What is this. Am I just reading it wrong? Why would Snivy contest a meta that would paint him as not scum

im so good at mafia that i need to show i could possibly be scum in a setting where im obvtown

(also python even in a town!snivy case there i might not have copped you because of my inability to push, but the no check was not a possibility)

[usesPython]

that part was a joke, i kinda forgot that by saying why i had a no check i was proving myself scum

That took us like 5 minutes trying to figure out what you just said so we're just gonna go back to wagoning Aureal before our brain spontaneously combusts

[usesPython]

Can the people not on the Aureal wagon either hop on or explain why they're not on it?

[usesPython]

why is aureal scum

When Aureal is town she's

town

, asking insightful questions and posting shit that makes you go "damn she spittin". We're not getting any of those vibes from Aureal this game

[usesPython]

Like go pull up her ISO in her town games and you'll see what we mean

[usesPython]

why aren't we just wagoning not mafia. itd be funny

Cause then NM can't hammer

[usesPython]

The meta thing may be true, but the willingness python pushed is wierd (or should I do a meta check again) and I personally don't like the idea of voting a d1 lurker in a large game (but in case that we have to flip someone, I can still hammer)

We're a pretty weird player if you try to read us conventionally through like VCA/Logic/Progression/Pushes. I think the most consistent way to read us would probably be comparing our vibes across games we've played together or sheeping people who have played with us if you haven't played with us

The Aureal push isn't

just

wagoning a lurker, we're wagoning Aureal for being so outside her town meta it's not even funny

[usesPython]

heip feels uninformed

[usesPython]

Not sure about python, if python enter this game using an alt account, I'd probably townlean them, but 70 makes me hesitate.

What do you mean by this

Sorry, I mean 79.

Still don't get it

heip can we get a response to this btw

[usesPython]

I had a dream that Tweet showed up and said "when someone is obviously and intentionally drawing attention by playing very differently than what is expected, there's probably a reason for it, and we should extend trust there."

Dream Tweet is very wise.

Are you Miller yes or no?

[usesPython]

Wow, judgmental much?

FoS: STD for not playing like he should play

I mean the only way your play makes sense for us if you're town is if you're Vengeful but you just claimed you weren't since the only Vengeful role that got posted was

Town Vengeful Miller

[usesPython]

Well that or if you're the

Town Informed night 5 Informed night 3 compulsive combined Vigilante Bodyguard

and getting yourself limmed somehow does the numbers good

[usesPython]

like even if you're

Town Compulsive Loyal Vigilante

it's still optimal for you to be shooting since you get red checks every time you skip a person in your ordered list and also clear out the POE

[usesPython]

Now you're going a little tunnelvision on mechanics

I'm quite insulted that people think I have no damn clue how to play scum and would just obviously yuk around. Like, I'm sure I've mentioned that I'm undefeated as Mafia. Guess nobody thought to check that meta, eh?

You have only 1 scum game and in that one you killed osuka to pocket the mod, yeah we think you'd play around as scum

[usesPython]

Pre Edit: Python, she has a recent scum game?

Fire and Ice

[usesPython]

like you're obviously putting up the narrative that you wanted to be seen as scummy and to attract attention, but just now you don't seem too uninterested in shaking off your wagon

You aren't understanding what's going on at all or you're scum trying to push back before the easy mislim you thought you had turns around on you.

Guess I should actually read the game things properly today before making up my mind which.

Literally no one is understanding what you're trying to imply, that aint an us problem

[usesPython]

aureal is very strange, but we never saw her play as scummy to begin with. no idea what she's trying to accomplish, but whatever.

VOTE: dragons

he hasn't towntold yet

this game is weird, there are a bunch of slots we haven't gotten enough from yet but idk if we ever will

monkey how are you feeling outside of aureal

STDs towntell is being useless for 2k posts then dropping a wall that solves the game, why do you think he should have towntold by now?

[usesPython]

The only possibly valid way is to just assume that I'm town because that's just how it freaking goes with my games this year.

we do a little gamblers fallacy

[usesPython]

Last game, I was more townread early when I was mostly fluff posting, and the more active and opinionated I got, the more scumread I was, particularly by Python here.

We were scumreading you on tone for posts like

like let's focus in on aureal for fun. aureal has done nothing wolfy to me and I could totally see her as town. but like, I know she's physically capable of being insanely towny. the second she subbed into the last game I played with her, she immediately made posts that were like wow that's some of the most pure in-depth stuff ive read.

OH NO HE'S DOING THIS WEIRD POCKET AGAIN AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

srsly wut

because they felt over the top, your actual posting was in hindsight on point

[usesPython]

We're feeling the townvibes from Aureal

UNVOTE:

This is gonna be like Weird Dreams all over again isnt it

[usesPython]

VOTE: UNOwen

[usesPython]

oh deadline is in 3 days

Aureal is sassposting and that's good enough for us to not want to lim her d1

[usesPython]

We don't actually get what Aureal is doing but we figure we'll be dead before that ever becomes a problem

[usesPython]

My logic here is that:
>Your iso looks towny
>However, one of your scum game ISO looks as towny as this game
>So, a simple vibe may not work on you
>So, I hesitate

Drew's saying the exact opposite, we're always scummy to him but we also keep on flipping town and the one scumgame he played with us was multiball where we were actually pushing our scumreads

[usesPython]

Flavor Leaf replaces Morning Tweet.

Oh nice we might actually live through the night

[usesPython]

Well that's what the tinfoil would imply.

VOTE: HEM would you mind? After all, an sk is an above average lim no?

I feel like traitor!cCS doesn't sheep us on calling HEM sk but we've also somehow managed to get 0 town vibes from HEM while nodding along going "makes sense" to pretty much everything they say

[usesPython]

Hang on, doesn't that mean it's possible multiple Mafia slots rolled traitor? XD

They wouldn't even have a kill if all three were traitor would they? Maybe not even know who each other were? What are the odds of that?

There's 6 groupscum Traitor roles that were posted:

Mafia Traitor Combined Babysitter Bodyguard

Werewolf Traitor Combined Babysitter Bodyguard

Mafia Traitor Personal Rolestopper

Mafia Strongman Lazy Traitor

2-Shot Commuter Traitor

Werewolf Traitor Role Cop

[usesPython]

VOTE: HEM

[usesPython]

VOTE: HEM i guess but it doesn't excite me

Why are we voting them again?

No town vibes + apparently looks like Snivy doing traitor signalling to HEM in 398

[usesPython]

not quite sure what wagon to commit to anymore it seems we're swinging votes like monkeys

Oh that certainly is a thing right here lol.

VOTE: Human

Sneakily putting HEM at E-1 without saying anything smh

[usesPython]

Every time Snivy posts God flips a coin to see if it'll be the towniest thing ever or the scummiest

VOTE: UNOwen

[usesPython]

not quite sure what wagon to commit to anymore it seems we're swinging votes like monkeys

Oh that certainly is a thing right here lol.

VOTE: Human

Sneakily putting HEM at E-1 without saying anything smh

E-2 you mean??

It's an NM game, E-2 is E-1

[usesPython]

we've kinda liked unowen's posting so far, i think we prefer snivy? idk

Snivy has that wildly scummy/wildly townie swing that tends to come from weirdtown I think.

[usesPython]

Deadlines in a day so we'll stop being useless

VOTE: HEM

[usesPython]

Posts like this just radiate town vibes to us

wow this pivot is going so well maybe i should pretend to traitor signal every single game

wait so, to the people who are voting HEM because of my signal, why arent I being wagoned?

not quite sure what wagon to commit to anymore it seems we're swinging votes like monkeys

this is apparently the signal

wait so, to the people who are voting HEM because of my signal, why arent I being wagoned?

You do realize that voting out a Traitor is basically worthless right

it isnt as great as voting out a non-traitor but its better than a town lim

im not condoning a snivy lim though

[usesPython]

are people really not having town vibes from me or did someone just say that and then everybody's like "yeah there's no town vibes there"

We've somehow managed to nod along every post you've made without ever getting a "yep this is town" vibe from you, idk why other people are voting you

[usesPython]

if aureal were scum, they'd be playing like town
if aureal were town, they'd be playing like town
ergo

if aureal were sk, she'd be playing like town

[usesPython]

{aureal > unowen, skygazer, doctor drew}

unowen is already a wagon, but hasn't claimed so there's time to build a counterwagon.
if we have time i would probably like to pressure Tweet's slot but i don't have the energy for that right now because that's Flavor Leaf

let me know if you guys are willing to work with me

We need to reISO Aureal in Fire and Ice but pretty sure she wasn't sassposting as scum so she gets a pass from us rn

UNOwen's in the POE so we can go there

Sky and Drew feel like such lazy wagons and there's enough people here that should be able to recognize town!Drew that we're fine letting him get resolved later

[usesPython]

like who

Bianco, Aureal, Python, probably anyone else that played with Drew

[usesPython]

For what it's worth Drew hasn't passed or failed any of our vibechecks this game

[usesPython]

Oh right Invis exists this game... why havent we wagoned Invis yet?

[usesPython]

this game is difficult right now but I think the HEM sk tell thing is silly and I'd rather not vote there. The world if eod plurality lims were standard

I think Snivy is probably just town

The sk tell is pretty silly. What do you think about HEMs vibes?

[usesPython]

In the Bianco run normal game they used a traitor and there was a little bit of a blow back from some players saying that traitors shouldn't be considered normal.

Bianco, do you remember if Alianna was one of those players?

Look at me trying to outguess AC DC lol

Oh how did we miss this the first time around, this looks like town Drewposting

[usesPython]

VOTE: Invis

We really should have done this sooner

[usesPython]

invis had that really good bianco read though

Oh right forgot about that

UNVOTE:

[usesPython]

Gamestate wise HEM feels like they're town that scum are sheeping the wagon of to giga apathy the thread after shooting me n1

VOTE: STD YOLO

[usesPython]

We can do sky but they're on the UNOwen wagon

[usesPython]

STD feels like he's in his scum meta of putting in more than three sips of effort into the game

[usesPython]

Any will to wagon outside HEM/UNO/Snivy?

[usesPython]

HEMs posting makes us think they're the likeliest to flip scum here but like that's not exactly a confident read and a HEM mislim probably straight up loses us the game from thread apathy if people are gonna continue playing like this

UNOwen's the HEM counterwagon and we're not scumreading them

Snivy we're townreading.

We feel like a hero shot on STD/Skygazer's probably a good bet here

[usesPython]

Does FL normally play like this? We TR'd tweets posting but last time we played with town!FL they were pretty active and solvy

[usesPython]

We aren't going to flair up a flashwagon now at eod and you know it.

Like fr we have 34 hours to flashwagon, that's plenty of time

[usesPython]

speaking of which, is it like an established meta that invis hyperposts? some of us are a little worried about that slot

she hyperposted a lot as town the last time we played with her but we don't have a meta on her past that one game

@python You've been wagonshopping for a while, if you have a vig shot, who would you like to shot?

Probably either a boring shot like the BlueSnakelet/Not_Mafia slot or a hero shot on STD/Skygazer

[usesPython]

I think Aureal is town

[usesPython]

Skygazer wagon? I hate it less than HEM/UNO wagons and that seems actually doable

VOTE: Skygazer

[usesPython]

python walk me through your aureal townread

hmm we thought the sharp sassy tone we saw from Aureal was exclusive to her town game but we finally got around to re-reading Fire and Ice and we can see it there as well.

We can do Aureal

[usesPython]

what do you think of hiw i read aureal's gameplay today?

I don't get why you pushed Aureal for being anti-town without pushing Not_Mafia

[usesPython]

VOTE: Aureal

[usesPython]

Drew get on we're doing a funny

[usesPython]

You too Invis and Sky

[usesPython]

oo ok i have a tinfoil tell that scum are more likely to create funny graphics (not sure if its true but i generally only make funny graphics as scum i think)

VOTE: aureal

there was one time that someone outside of this game made a graphic in WDM and they were town so not impossible

um ackshually we stole that graphic so technically we didn't make a graphic as town

[usesPython]

talking about KKFC's node graph

yeah but it wasn't funny

[usesPython]

graphs are not a funny graphic they're just a graphic

[usesPython]

Yes I would be flippant as scum also but you didn't bother reading the content in Fire and Ice because I certainly was contributing content as well.

90% of your FaI posting was interacting with us because we were hyperposting so hard. If you got lowposters as your teammates we can see you playing like this, especially since after yessiree replaced in the two of you went low profile and lurked town to death

[usesPython]

UNVOTE:

[usesPython]

VOTE: heip

More flashwagons

[usesPython]

Too late VOTE: Aureal

P-Edit: Oh, carry on then.

Hey did you know about the strikethrough rule when you posted this?

[usesPython]

fuck it

VOTE: UNOwen

at this point in time, it's you or i and i choose me

flashwagon heip with us we've got an IC on the wagon

[usesPython]

I will say Aureals claim is definitely from the Big Book of Drew Fake Claims(also I assume this role is actually in the normal idea thread?).

But, they can be proven I guess.

VOTE: heip

Back at e-1 you go.

Town N1 Bulletproof N2+ Activated Innocent Child

[usesPython]

alright i'll target aureal or uno tonight

VOTE: UNOwen

[usesPython]

HEM is town

[usesPython]

I got asked to look at Drews posting, it's pretty scummy early on but gets better after 419 so he's probably just town here

-A

[usesPython]

wait, am i reading it right

skygazer absorbs kills taken by their target

so skygazer probably targetted uno, and ate the kill that uno took

so how is uno scum because of this?

If the person Shield targets tries to kill someone then the Shield prevents that person from killing and dies.

UNO tries to kill Being X + Skygazer targets UNO = Skygazer dies and UNO doesn't kill Being X

[usesPython]

Each night, you may target another player. Assuming no interference with your action, you will block

killing actions

taken by your target

and you will be killed instead.

[usesPython]

So if UNO takes a killing action it doesn't go through and Sky dies

[usesPython]

Based on the wiki page for Shield that's how it should be yeah

[usesPython]

VOTE: UNO, at worst is sk here, not much else to say

Bad vibes on this post btw

[usesPython]

VOTE: UNO, at worst is sk here, not much else to say

Bad vibes on this post btw

Bad vibes on this post btw

But in all seriousness, is anyone under the impression that this is not essentially an automatic lim for today?

P-E: floor's yours

No we agree on the lim it's the "at worst is sk" part that's feeling skeezy

[usesPython]

Like if there's no BP/Roleblock/Protection/Holster shenanigans then that means groupscum/sk shot Sky, you immediately going "at worst SK" makes us think you're groupscum

[usesPython]

Is this shit the TMI shit all over again. Save for mad convoluted scenarios, Uno shot and we miss another nk, it's as close to conf-nontown as it goes

Then why default to "UNO sk" instead of "UNO scum"

[usesPython]

at worst

Don't you agree that a sk is a worse lim that a groupscum?
See, bad vibes. This is such an egregeous misrep that I'm not joking anymore

SK is a better lim than groupscum because we half scums killing power

[usesPython]

ccs is like at worst sk, we're townbinning them for now

Lol you should keep your narratives straight

ccs was at worst sk there because we read them as uninformed. UNO is mechanically scum here, this aint anything alike

[usesPython]

Like I don't see how you can compare "Uninformed -> Not groupscum -> Town or SK -> At worst SK" with "Mechanically scum -> Not town -> Groupscum or SK -> At worst SK"

[usesPython]

Yeah, @python, no. You clearly stated you care more about groupscum that sks. I'm sure there were another quote to the same effect that I can't be arsed to fish for.

Feel free to keep wiggling thou. Btw, it is categorically false that an sk lim is better than a groupscum one.

Except this isn't mountainous and if we half the killing power we can probably straight up mechanically lock down the game through green checks

[usesPython]

Yeah, @python, no. You clearly stated you care more about groupscum that sks.

"I think ccs is uninformed, this is a good reason for us not to vote them d1"

Yep, this is definitely us caring more about groupscum than sk

[usesPython]

Like it's a post from page 10, why the hell would we be SK hunting someone we're not even scumreading

[usesPython]

Patiently waiting for d2 to end so we can thunderdome Bianco d3

[usesPython]

@python. It is you that said "at worst sk", in that sentence it implies that he being sk would be less bad than he being scum.

ccs is Town or SK -> At worst SK

where is the confusion? SK/groupscum relative badness doesn't come into the picture because we read them as not groupscum

[usesPython]

And you used "at worst sk" to express the concept he was not scum, did you not

ccs is Uninformed -> Town or SK -> At worst SK -> If the read is correct then worst case scenario they can still be SK (This is a worst case because it's a misclear)

UNOwen is Mechanically scum -> Scum or SK -> At worst SK (This is a worst case because -EV compared to limming groupscum)

---

Why does this argument even exist, even if we're right no one's gonna vote with us based on it

-A

[usesPython]

however, skygazer said theyd target Aureal or Uno. What if they targeted Aureal?

Uno flipping scum, but imo, it doesnt make sense for scum to let them make the kill, so Aureal making the kill is still a possibility in that scenario.

Aureal IC's N2 so either we lim UNO here now or we lim outside of UNO/Aureal and then deal with it tomorrow when Aureal is mechanically clear

[usesPython]

like i think theyre scum for wagon comp reasons, dont get me wrong, but i dont think it's a mech conf, even if Uno flips scum.

It could be, but dont think it's there 100% yet.

If UNO's scum here then it doesn't matter if they're mechanically scum or it's just us getting to the right answer for the wrong reasons

If UNO's town here then that would mean either groupscum + sk both hit Sky or one of them hit Sky and the others kill got stopped for some other reason

[usesPython]

like i think theyre scum for wagon comp reasons, dont get me wrong, but i dont think it's a mech conf, even if Uno flips scum.

It could be, but dont think it's there 100% yet.

If UNO's scum here then it doesn't matter if they're mechanically scum or it's just us getting to the right answer for the wrong reasons

If UNO's town here then that would mean either groupscum + sk both hit Sky or one of them hit Sky and the others kill got stopped for some other reason

is there confirmed to be a Serial Killer?

1. The game is guaranteed to contain:
- 10 players aligned with the

town

- 3 players aligned with an anti-town faction that has an equal chance to be

mafia

or

werewolves

- 1

serial killer

aligned with themself

[usesPython]

yeah, i think i stopped a kill

Can we get your red check yet

[usesPython]

We def shoot in ccs/uno today, still think uno is scummier though

And here I went and read the game again because I was afraid you all were gonna make me be town leader or something. Phew. Thanks Sky!

HEM is town

Oh is that how it's gonna be?

BlueSnakelet is town

(I disagree with your HEM read though, I think there's a good chance HEM is scum, just not with UNOwen)

HEM is town, this aint up for debate

[usesPython]

the block on snivy isn't really a guilty in a role madness game imo

It kinda is when we're missing a scum nightkill

[usesPython]

I think by Mech, CCS is scummier. By day play and wagon comp, Uno is scummier, but idk, Snivy is still pretty scummy with it.

I could believe they're a team, and snivy was distancing today.

I just really dont believe Uno makes the scum kill if they are scum, so I dont think Skygazer died from targeting Uno, I think they died because scum thought they were Weak, and wanted to frame town or protect scum with it.

Is there a reason why uno can't be groupscum who's also getting framed by SK? We agree with you that the flashwagon on heip away from uno was probably groupscum motivated

[usesPython]

UNVOTE:

[usesPython]

oh btw i thought Skygazer was the compulsive weak vig

I didn't! There's no reason for a weak vig to breadcrumb, all that happens is they die too.

There is when scum could be BP/Protected, Weak Vig would die and scum would still be alive

[usesPython]

Sky is flipped and is not weak, though.

Scum wouldn't know Sky wouldn't flip Weak though

[usesPython]

UNO your next post better be a claim

though we are probs still

voting you unless ur an IC

this doesn't add up if Snivy really thought they checked them.

I dont get it, if you think you have a mechanical guilty why wouldn't you throw away any claim that isn't provable like IC?

[usesPython]

UNO your next post better be a claim

though we are probs still

voting you unless ur an IC

this doesn't add up if Snivy really thought they checked them.

I dont get it, if you think you have a mechanical guilty why wouldn't you throw away any claim that isn't provable like IC?

i said more of a mech guilty than UNO, not a conf mech guilty.

i think Uno is scum for wagon comps, though, and day 1 gamestate.

Not talking about you, we're asking why wouldn't snivy throw out any non-provable claim

[usesPython]

Also since it should be obvious to scum, FL is claiming

Town Odd-Night Roleblocker

[usesPython]

honestly im honored that you think i could think of claiming loyal checker in advance as if im that good at fakeclaims

last scum game i claimed fucking non consec commuter

Didn't you partially trueclaim alignment cop last game?

[usesPython]

viewtopic.php?p=13828847#p13828847

for what it's worth, Snivy made a Checker thing in that thread y'all keep posting, and I can't seem to find Loyal Checker anywhere on that spot.

Town Loyal Checker

[usesPython]

MafiaScum search bar challenge (99% Impossible) (Not clickbait)

[usesPython]

We def shoot in ccs/uno today, still think uno is scummier though

Where did these takes come from?

There's a mechanical guilty and heip got flashwagon'd to save you yesterday

[usesPython]

VOTE: Doctor Drew
Was going to vote cCS but the reaction to being blocked looked legit, initial impression is that's not the sort of thing that could be faked.

I'm doc and protected Infinity last night.

Who do you think is scum and why did heip get flashwagoned d1 instead of you

[usesPython]

HEM is town

aged well

Was hoping to get shot tbh.

Town 1-shot Bulletproof, we fakeclaimed to see if we were shot n1 since we figured we'd get shot again

[usesPython]

Aureal dying means either Strongman or she was shot n1, only Strongman that can be in play rn is

3-Shot Strongman Rolecop Serial Killer

---

@Cook I updated my troll posts and they are A LOT more tame

[usesPython]

why hem

Seemed like a believable check and us dying would partially seer-hunt clear a sus slot

[usesPython]

We should probably be the lim today but that was the idea behind the play

[usesPython]

just realised over 50% of the claims this game were fakeclaims lmao

[usesPython]

If Aureal Shielded someone, would the Bulletproof even activate?

Good point

@Alianna?

[usesPython]

Last mafia knew we were fakeclaiming so I think that probably clears bianco of being mafia since they'd want to just let us vibe to keep hem alive

[usesPython]

The more I read Flavor Leafs posts the more I feel like they're scum roleblocker, one of

Mafia Night 1,2,3 JOAT (Cop, Babysitter, Roleblocker, Rolestopper, Rolecop, Hider)

Mafia Combined Cop Roleblocker

Mafia Informed Roleblocker

You know that {Player} is a vanilla townie.

Multitasking Serial Killer Doctor Rolecop Roleblocker

but probably the mafia roleblocker

[usesPython]

Aureal not crumbing her target is pretty :/

[usesPython]

Hmm actually assuming we get limmed today that's 6/1/1 at nightstart and possibly 4/1/1 by d4, those aren't fun odds

[usesPython]

This probably flips red

VOTE: Flavor Leaf

[usesPython]

I think Aureal Shielded Blue n1

[usesPython]

Oh that makes more sense