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[Aureal]

This can't be as simple as Aureal protecting their buddy right?

-Drew

Could be, not enough to really know for me yet.
It’s odd they brought the last time I went after Cakez, because in that scenario, Cakez and I were both town, it was the END of a game, and I came after Cakez not Cakez after me, so it’s pretty different.

Maybe he's feeling more desire to sort you earlier this time rather than risk letting you spin and twist until everyone falls down. I know I'm not intending on letting you have as much leeway as last time.

[SirCakez]

I feel like it's a complete waste of time talking to you since you just called my cancelled Penguin push scummy then admitted you haven't even read a Penguin post

Had nothing to do with Penguin and all to do with gamestate.

Don’t misrep it.

You wanted to awaken the leaf, don’t be upset when ya get the beef

If you were actually reading this game my progression is very obviously based on Penguins posts but you're not interested in that

Again, what does Penguin gotta do with anything other than the fact they were the previous counter wagon?

I don’t really care about the reasonings behind it

I already talked about this with CSF and like I said you're clearly not interested in actually solving me rn

[SirCakez]

I didn't really want to do this but we can definitely tear up this game with a mega argument, let's fucking go

[Flavor Leaf]

Either that or I’m derp tunneling Cakez town, but he came after me first

FL if you're actually considering this why not make an actual attempt to engage me and stop vomiting the typical I solved the game spam that is totally useless? It just looks like preemptive excuses for the town flip here

I feel like this was me stating that you could possibly be town here

[Flavor Leaf]

This can't be as simple as Aureal protecting their buddy right?

-Drew

Could be, not enough to really know for me yet.
It’s odd they brought the last time I went after Cakez, because in that scenario, Cakez and I were both town, it was the END of a game, and I came after Cakez not Cakez after me, so it’s pretty different.

Maybe he's feeling more desire to sort you earlier this time rather than risk letting you spin and twist until everyone falls down. I know I'm not intending on letting you have as much leeway as last time.

Interesting you say this.

Because Cakez town read me from Day 1 that game all the way to the end.

So I’m fine with the second part, but the wording of the first is interesting to me

[Flavor Leaf]

I didn't really want to do this but we can definitely tear up this game with a mega argument, let's fucking go

Also, you wish we could

[Flavor Leaf]

Definitely been more fun since I pushed Cakez back, though.

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m also 5th on this wagon, the obsession with my slot on it is funny

[Deal With The Devil]

DwtD 180 definitely feels weird considering how in they went in defending me against Marci earlier

This can't be as simple as Aureal protecting their buddy right?

-Drew

And this is just level 0 scum hunting

Can you elaborate how I 'went in' defending you?

And even if I did? Do you understand how reads can change?

I mean this will be a post in the 800's, and you are using post 180 to defend yourself.

Seems like level 0 scum play my man

-Drew

[SirCakez]

Either that or I’m derp tunneling Cakez town, but he came after me first

FL if you're actually considering this why not make an actual attempt to engage me and stop vomiting the typical I solved the game spam that is totally useless? It just looks like preemptive excuses for the town flip here

I feel like this was me stating that you could possibly be town here

Ok so can you actually read the interactions between Penguin and I at least

[Flavor Leaf]

Cakez feels like they’re flailing, tbh, and they want to get in an argument big 1v1 with me so people get tired of circular WIFOM and compromise elsewhere.

[SirCakez]

I didn't really want to do this but we can definitely tear up this game with a mega argument, let's fucking go

Also, you wish we could

[Flavor Leaf]

Either that or I’m derp tunneling Cakez town, but he came after me first

FL if you're actually considering this why not make an actual attempt to engage me and stop vomiting the typical I solved the game spam that is totally useless? It just looks like preemptive excuses for the town flip here

I feel like this was me stating that you could possibly be town here

Ok so can you actually read the interactions between Penguin and I at least

What area

[SirCakez]

DwtD 180 definitely feels weird considering how in they went in defending me against Marci earlier

This can't be as simple as Aureal protecting their buddy right?

-Drew

And this is just level 0 scum hunting

Can you elaborate how I 'went in' defending you?

And even if I did? Do you understand how reads can change?

I mean this will be a post in the 800's, and you are using post 180 to defend yourself.

Seems like level 0 scum play my man

-Drew

I mean 180 as in your turnaround on my slot from defending to voting me, not post 180 wtf

[SirCakez]

this cruel cruel game sucks because i can't tell who is partners with cakez yet..

Why Cakez?

I am getting a very phony vibe from marci, personally speaking.

-Drew

this cruel cruel game sucks because i can't tell who is partners with cakez yet..

Why Cakez?

Hes doing this thing where hes complaining but doing nothing to fix the problem. It makes it look like hes here, but hes really just doing nothing. Usually people would just not say anything about having no reads unless theyre prompted.

Have you played with him before?

this cruel cruel game sucks because i can't tell who is partners with cakez yet..

Why Cakez?

Hes doing this thing where hes complaining but doing nothing to fix the problem. It makes it look like hes here, but hes really just doing nothing. Usually people would just not say anything about having no reads unless theyre prompted.

Have you played with him before?

-Drew

its been a few months

but i dont see how that relates to anything

His play style doesn't come to mind when you are making a read on him?

-Drew

Also, explain how he is complaining but not tying to fix the problem? What do you mean by that?

Again, you feel very fake and disingenuous.

-Drew

bro even if you asked me rodens style i wouldnt be able to tell you when i say i have a failing memory, i have a failing memory

i think that what he did is scummy though and i stand by that. if you want i can put it in simpler terms for you though
"go king give us nothing!"

What does Roden have to do with your Cakez read?

not feeling anything AI from anyone yet so I'll sit on my rvs for now

and not pushing to find out info anywhere

Do you think scum would make a post like Cakez here?

This is very obviously a defense/chainsaw on Marci type deal

[SirCakez]

And obviously I understand reads can change but I don't see the town thoughts behind what you did. Like you said one post was bad I asked you what was bad and you conveniently didn't respond to that

[Aureal]

This can't be as simple as Aureal protecting their buddy right?

-Drew

Could be, not enough to really know for me yet.
It’s odd they brought the last time I went after Cakez, because in that scenario, Cakez and I were both town, it was the END of a game, and I came after Cakez not Cakez after me, so it’s pretty different.

Maybe he's feeling more desire to sort you earlier this time rather than risk letting you spin and twist until everyone falls down. I know I'm not intending on letting you have as much leeway as last time.

Interesting you say this.

Because Cakez town read me from Day 1 that game all the way to the end.

So I’m fine with the second part, but the wording of the first is interesting to me

Okay, so I went and checked his ISO and that's not quite accurate. He townread you for day one because you put in a lot of effort doing a big catch-up after replacing in. After that he wavered for a while and fought a little with you when you decided he was scum. Then eventually settled back on you being town for effort because you didn't need to do expend as much if scum given the gamestate of mass confusion.

By 'interesting' I assume you mean those are obviously my feelings?

[Flavor Leaf]

Eh, he wavered barely, but regardless, the point of this not being similar at all stands

[Merlyn]

You too Merlyn. Why Cakez wagon? How are you pressing Snivy on him wanting a vote moved to Penguin or Cakez in 628, thinking it's suspicious when, as far as I can tell those two are also

your

scumreads at the time?

I voted for Cakez initially bc I didn't like the vote/unvote of the FL slot, and then until today they did nothing to make me reconsider the vote. They did just make one post I like, but I have to go back and read to see what I really think of him at this point.

Side note- Snivy saying he wanted someone to move a vote to 'one of the two top wagons' was odd regardless of what I think penguin or cakez's alignment is. It was an odd thing to say, and I've already outlined why in 628 so I won't get into that here again, and I'm not going to let me own tentative reads blind me to that.

[Flavor Leaf]

And if you were trying to push it as familiar, then your conclusion looks backwards

[Cat Scratch Fever]

You came around on Marci because... She loves cats?

This can't be as simple as Aureal protecting their buddy right?

-Drew

Aureal noticed the Cakez wagon has somehow become the big thing that is happening and thinks it'd be a good idea to know why.

Looking into a few other voters...

Marci, what's with all the pushing Cakez without voting him for so long? Like really what's with 285 in particular when you weren't voting anyone at all despite suspecting Cakez?

CSF, what prompted your Cakez vote?

I don't exactly remember the original reason I voted him tbh lol

My best guess is because he pressure voted someone who hadn't posted in the game and prolly just never picked up their pm instead of pushing the game forward, which pinged me a bit

I was also not interested in my merlyn vote anymore at the time and was looking elsewhere

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Aureal, what is your read on Cakez?

[Aureal]

I'm not entirely sure (part of the reason I'm asking for explanations from the voters) but loosely leaning town. I haven't seen anything to scumread and have felt lost for scumreads like he has so I was kind of taken aback by this wagon being a thing. It's annoyingly reminiscent of our prior game which I've referenced.

FL might have something of a point in that I hadn't considered Cakez's read on him as a difference between the games; but I think it was reasonable for Cakez to TR him for his big wall posting entrance in dividing conner and not TR him for his not so big entrance here, so getting to a scumread here doesn't seem particularly weird to me. They've got plenty more history between them that could maybe explain things, but I'm not privy to it.

[Flavor Leaf]

Even games I start in sometimes I don’t post until 20 pages in, so it’s really just until something catalysts me into the game.

I didn’t really wanna take over this game immediately after replacing in, but Cakez wanted me to

[Aureal]

If Cakez is scum and you're town, why would he want that?