Micro 1089: the coalition, again [game over]

[Datisi]

vote count 2.02

with 7 votes in play, it takes 4 to make a decision. day 2 ends in (expired on 2023-08-12 22:15:00).

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fireisredsir [2]:

Isis, brassherald

brassherald [2]:

tris, fireisredsir

not voting [3]:

Aristeia, hellbooks, sheepsaysmeep

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[brassherald]

I mean she puts on a little show and never drops a vote for you. You can cherry pick all you want and I can cherry pick to confirm my suspicions but I think you're missing a buddy.

[brassherald]

And literally if she busses you after you get into the coalition skitter looks really townie then. It's a win with less than optimal play which can still happen

[fireisredsir]

Tris/me/shea

I want ari

I will begrudgingly compromise on the bulge for reasons stated

I would then go:
Sheep
Isis
Fire
Hellbooks

I agree with the top 3.

I don't want ari.

I want fire.

Can you walk me through why you don't?

I still think that the you/ari/fire thing wasnt all town; something feels icky to me there
But I think ari is town (i don't think her play here matches what i'd expect scum-her to do, like at all) and i want her in the coalition
I've come around to you being town
Fire i still don't really like how he positioned himself in the you/ari thing, and i didnt really like his response to ari trying to see if he was willing to act on his stated worldview

also while i was in the skitter iso i did notice this which i didn't super directly respond to (2414 was a somewhat indirect response)

but it is kinda interesting that she's pushing the same line of "there's scum in the shea/ari/fire thing" which again i don't think was really as much of a "thing" as the shea/skitter/ari "thing". it's possible that isis town picked up on skitter's framing of it and adopted it into her worldview due to skitter being isis' only strong townread, but it is still a little strange i think

[fireisredsir]

I mean she puts on a little show and never drops a vote for you. You can cherry pick all you want and I can cherry pick to confirm my suspicions but I think you're missing a buddy.

yes i will take you up on your offer

support your claim that she absolutely refused to put me in the coalition

[fireisredsir]

And literally if she busses you after you get into the coalition skitter looks really townie then. It's a win with less than optimal play which can still happen

obviously, but you're moving goalposts now

[brassherald]

I didn't claim that and you fucking know it. I never said she absolutely refused to you're making shit up.

[brassherald]

And literally if she busses you after you get into the coalition skitter looks really townie then. It's a win with less than optimal play which can still happen

obviously, but you're moving goalposts now

I said what was optimal play and she never voted for it. She fought it. I never said she refused so you're misrepresenting either you can't read or you're flailing

[brassherald]

Oh shit I take that back. I did use the term absolute refusal. My bad. I misspoke when I said that

[brassherald]

I apologize for saying you can't read but I still think you're flailing

[hellbooks]

how do you tell the difference between towny post and scum whos busting out all the chops

[brassherald]

how do you tell the difference between towny post and scum whos busting out all the chops

Is it the amount of pork chops you end up with afterwards?

[brassherald]

This riddles going to be bothering me the whole day if we don't get an answer

[fireisredsir]

I apologize for saying you can't read but I still think you're flailing

i mean when someone that i already think is scummy makes a claim that looks like it's literally just pulled out of nowhere in order to support a vote on the wagon counter to them then yeah im gonna attack that point

still though i think that everything you said applies to you just as much if not more than me? she initially outright refused to put bulge in (calling it a "non-starter"), much stronger than how she felt about me, and then later was considering begrudgingly compromising to ari's plan of "put in bulge and then insta yeet him"

and same goes to other slots? so it still is extremely sketchy to me that you targeted me when thats the current thread direction rather than actually digging in and investigating which one is meaningful

[brassherald]

Are you asking me to analyze and see if I'm the scum here? I'm confused what you're asking me to do because I'd never refer to one vote as a wagon on me to need a counter wagon?

[fireisredsir]

well

1) if your reasoning for me being scum applies equally or more to you, and you're town, then i would expect you to consider whether the reasoning is actually meaningful or not

2) i know that your reasoning could be applied to other slots in the game as well, besides you and me. i think its application to me is a fairly weak one. so it looks like you took the starting point of "how do i find fire as scum" and then found a reason, rather than you looking for scum organically by starting with the reasons and developing those into a read. because I believe that if you did do that, you would notice that your reasoning applies to others as well

3) i believe i currently have the most people who want to lim me in terms of general thread mentality, regardless of votes. i think either you or sheep is probably 2nd in that measure

[fireisredsir]

im not really asking you to do anything in particular. im already aware that you didn't do that investigation

the question is just whether you are scum making up a reason to scumread someone or town who doesn't have a very good scumhunting process

[hellbooks]

aka how do you tell the difference between scummy post and town whose busting out none of the chops

[brassherald]

But skitter eventually moves me to a town read so it really doesn't apply there? Like I know skitter was scum but how does that fit into your thinking of it applies to my slot or are we just cherry picking for specific points in the game to support the weird case you seem to want me to agree to for me as scum again?

[brassherald]

Look if people want to eliminate me, eliminate me. I'm not going to do some weird deep dive when the very basis of the original post is flawed based on me having to completely forget posts that weren't quoted because I guess my memory has been shown to be shaky

[fireisredsir]

But skitter eventually moves me to a town read so it really doesn't apply there? Like I know skitter was scum but how does that fit into your thinking of it applies to my slot or are we just cherry picking for specific points in the game to support the weird case you seem to want me to agree to for me as scum again?

she moved you to a townread only after coalition failed (which is very literally the scummy pattern of play that ari mentioned earlier) and never made any motions whatsoever towards putting you in a coalition after you replaced in so i have no idea what you're talking about

[brassherald]

Tris/me/shea

I want ari

I will begrudgingly compromise on the bulge for reasons stated

I would then go:
Sheep
Isis
Fire
Hellbooks

This post literally exists and my slot is still in the top 5 which is in the coalition.

[Aristeia]

aka how do you tell the difference between scummy post and town whose busting out none of the chops

you wait for hellbooks to point her laser pointer at people

[brassherald]

The only time she was putting you in was if you were also the elimination when it failed.

[fireisredsir]

Omg hi
If i can get a decent-ish read on brass the bulge wouldnt be a compromise anymore

Ari voting my coalition for show and then unvoting it makes me extremely happy.

Pedit play with feet.

HEAL: brass, shea, fire, skitter, tris

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I'm really, really not sure that this wins this ...

I'm .... really skeptical of this
I don't know why this coalition is a thinf

I don't know why brass is voting it

HURT: all
HEAL: me ari tris shea

This is where i'm at and i don't knkw who the fifth should be

Shea if i vote for you/me/tris/ari/fire
And it fails
Would u be willing to vote fire tom?

I'm pretty sure that the coalition isn't going to happen unless you have both Skitter and TSQ on board based on everyone else voting right now, so, like a vote for one not endorsed by the both of you is a waste

It's unfortunate we have diametric reads on ari/fire, isnt it >.>

It is which is why I asked about sheep. I didn't read the rules hard enough to know if we lose if no coalition is reached but it seems like that's probably a thing

Oh did you? I missed that
I probably hate it less than the fire option

I am at the point where i would vote the fire one expecting it to fail if everyone really wants to move on so badly

With the understanding that if it fails i push fire after

Also ngl i have like maybe an hour (if that) then i gotta bounce till friday so these are probably the options if this is ehat it's coming down to

Pedit ok u want to do sheep instead?

Sheep was v keen on ending the coalition phase, ans i don't think he does that unless he has a partner who's an obvious-shoe-in for the coalition (i.e. tris or shea)

Shea wanting to compromise on sheep makes me a little wary of that possibility

My tris townread has like melted a bit but tbqh at the same time i don't think town-her plays this any differently. I'm not really sure i'm on board with voting her today

I still don't think it's ari

Isis is becoming scummier ngl

Brass is p townie tbh

Fire i still scumread

Hellbooks' should be nominated for some sort of appropriate scummy but at the same time i'm kinda wondering if she's being opaque on purpose, does anyone know what that post actually, like, means ....

this is skitter's progression on you

her immediate reaction is "wow maybe i can get a good read on brass and then put him in!"

and then she proceeds to do literally none of that. like not even remotely try. doesn't express a read. doesn't support coalitions with you in them

and then after coalition fails she says "oh yeah btw brass is pretty townie"