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[iamveryhappy]

mine before comod tries to steal it

I can steal it whenever I want.

- Alianna

[Naerys]

eh
but I swear in a post you said you don't know what to case me with.
Why am I trying so hard to not call you BaeRYS lol
(crippling vtuber addiction go brrr)

Uh, you´re so confusing

[iamveryhappy]

yes.
kk
I've literally bolded a part where you say something along the lines of "iavh has been trying solve though it looks weird"
why still don't you think you coulda cased me with it

[Civil Scum]

After rereading Naerys big read post, I have to say I completely disagree with Bobs read about it earlier and still lean town on Naerys.

Yeah I just have to say that what Greeting said about me possibly acting confused newbie town really is bizarre to me. The things he pointed to that I said were not alignment indicative in the slightest, so why not just say I could be newbie scum, why apply this extra layer onto my behavior of ‘he could be a competent scum pretending to be newbie’.

Also I’m just going to post my read list and then take a break, I’m being a bit OCD I realize.

I’m order of increasing scumminess with an asterisk indicating a possible failed read on my part, or to say that I think the player seems town but might just be scum playing a very good game (lord knows I’ve been wrong before):

Civil Scum- of course

STD- on meta

Starfire*- just a read

Bellaphant- for reasons previously stated

Naerys- on meta

Random Nurse*- obviously hasn’t given much to work with but was the first person to come back and take me off E-2. Gets plenty of points from me for that.

Iamveryhappy- tough to read but I liked that he made note that my asking about the mafia scum tag under my name seemed a little paranoid. I would argue WIFOM since as scum I wouldn’t draw attention to myself in this way, but I’m glad he mentioned it cause it seemed like an obvious question to be asking.

Hu Tao- really unsure about them so far but haven’t done anything particularly scummy.

Political Clout- I initially thought that his banter with Starfire seemed like genuine scum hunting, but personally I am able to go after others pretty hard and pretty convincingly when I’m scum, and I’m sure many people here can so I’m taking those towny points away.

KKFC- He seems pro town at times but I’m struggling to put much faith in some of his arguments thus far.

Bob- for reasons stated (see my ISO)

Greetings- for reasons stated

Bazuf- Bazuf top scum and due for a prod shortly if I’m not mistaken.

So, let me get this straight.

You are very sure that

Bazuf

is mafia because he is a low poster and that I am scum for defending him, even though I never even mentioned him in my posts?

I also don't see an asterisk near those reads, does that mean that you are absolutely certain of them?

Of course that doesn’t mean absolute certainty, only more confidence I would say.

I am not voting Bazuf because of lurking, that is just icing on the cake.

As for the game you linked i will take a look, although preliminarily I will say that I’ve seen newbie scum feign confusion plenty of times about reads and the way the game itself is playing out as a cover for their lack of conviction and being wish-washy etc, but when it came to me you cited things like asking about acronyms and I don’t see a connection between those behaviors.

I am voting Bazuf for the following, which you must have missed somehow (possibly by skimming rather than reading)

Oh my! E-2 already?

Lack of resistance? Interesting!

VOTE: Unvote

It’s not like anyone will hammer this early, so… why so serious?!

Mainly vibes? Starfire is relaxed, enjoyed.the humour, random's response to civil is more thought out than I think scum would bother.

Hmm… I don’t buy this…
If you had played before with Starfire and Random, I’d believe your vibes… This because, from your own experience, you’d might recognise some pattern in the way Starfire and Random are posting this early on D-1.

But right after this post you say you haven’t played with them, so these vibes… are really just vibes… or are TMI.
I think you might KNOW that they are indeed town.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Bellaphant

Let’s get this game out of RVS.

I don’t know how Bazuf knows no one will hammer but whatever.

This case against Bellaphant is flimsy, and I feel Bazuf overstates it.

Bazuf says he would believe Bellaphants vibes (which Bellaphant had on post 34) if Bellaphant had played with either Random Nurse or Starfire before. Since Bellaphant hasn’t, Bazuf votes for him.

The most favorable reading of “believe your vibes” means ‘I would trust you are having genuine vibes’ and the me, finding it scummy that Bellaphant has gut feelings about players he hasn’t played with and finding it townie if he has gut feelings about players he has played with (on post 34 mind you) is the type of absolute nonsense logic that scums sometimes resort to in their effort to make shit up.

[Civil Scum]

EBWOP: ‘I would trust you are having genuine vibes’ and *to me…

[Civil Scum]

Oh and I almost forgot.

I really didn’t like “Let’s get this game out of RVS”

It smacked of trying to appear pro town and publicly patting himself on the back.

[Civil Scum]

Yeah I just have to say that what Greeting said about me possibly acting confused newbie town really is bizarre to me. The things he pointed to that I said were not alignment indicative in the slightest, so why not just say I could be newbie scum, why apply this extra layer onto my behavior of ‘he could be a competent scum pretending to be newbie’.

Also I’m just going to post my read list and then take a break, I’m being a bit OCD I realize.

I’m order of increasing scumminess with an asterisk indicating a possible failed read on my part, or to say that I think the player seems town but might just be scum playing a very good game (lord knows I’ve been wrong before):

Civil Scum- of course

STD- on meta

Starfire*- just a read

Bellaphant- for reasons previously stated

Naerys- on meta

Random Nurse*- obviously hasn’t given much to work with but was the first person to come back and take me off E-2. Gets plenty of points from me for that.

Iamveryhappy- tough to read but I liked that he made note that my asking about the mafia scum tag under my name seemed a little paranoid. I would argue WIFOM since as scum I wouldn’t draw attention to myself in this way, but I’m glad he mentioned it cause it seemed like an obvious question to be asking.

Hu Tao- really unsure about them so far but haven’t done anything particularly scummy.

Political Clout- I initially thought that his banter with Starfire seemed like genuine scum hunting, but personally I am able to go after others pretty hard and pretty convincingly when I’m scum, and I’m sure many people here can so I’m taking those towny points away.

KKFC- He seems pro town at times but I’m struggling to put much faith in some of his arguments thus far.

Bob- for reasons stated (see my ISO)

Greetings- for reasons stated

Bazuf- Bazuf top scum and due for a prod shortly if I’m not mistaken.

That does not cover anything about stuff other than me/you interactions.

I have very little read on you atm, so I’m clinging on to one thing :shrug:

[Civil Scum]

In your vast experience surely you could present one in-game example of a person faking newbie tendencies and getting town cred for it.

Sure. In this game I was instructing an actual newbie player to use that fact to his advantage by faking doubt and seeming confused. We ended up winning. Hence why I am not townreading you for newbieness.

Well I’m not sure that people should be giving out townie points for the behaviors you recommended, but this does explain why you were apt to map this extra deceptive layer onto my behavior, namely because it’s the way you think and you’ve literally used the strategy before.

[Save The Dragons]

Random Nurse*- obviously hasn’t given much to work with but was the first person to come back and take me off E-2. Gets plenty of points from me for that.

this seems short sighted but i guess you have the asterisk

i think you're too obsessed with the wagon on you

[Save The Dragons]

i also am trying to solve so calling me out for just trolling is being disingenuous

just cuz i play different doesn't mean i'm not trying. i already made a small case for civil scum being scum

How is your solving going so far, do you have any town or scum reads so far?

i dunno sometimes it takes me a while

i'm sus on Civil scum mostly, pretty much any other read would be a shot in the dark

[Save The Dragons]

actually i think naerys could be scum too

[Civil Scum]

I don’t think I’ve obsessed about it but whatever.

It’s the only thing RN has given us to work with, but I agree it may have gotten him an overly favorable ranking on my list.

It’s be a good play for him as scum, I don’t think that can be denied.

Do you have anything to say about the other 10 players or is that about it?

[Save The Dragons]

not really

[Save The Dragons]

VOTE: naerys
'
talked myself into it

[Naerys]

actually i think naerys could be scum too

Why do u think so?

[Save The Dragons]

i don't really like your 214

[Naerys]

Save The Dragons - Feels very suspicious. And those trolling posts arent really helping.

i don't really like your 214

I would be surprised if you did, tbh.

[Save The Dragons]

ok? i don't like the entire post, not just your terrible analysis of me

[Naerys]

Can you specify that a bit? Like what exactly didnt you like?

[Save The Dragons]

like the "not enough data" "i guess they can be town" "these ... are annoying" is kind of performative and doesn't actually provide much analysis as to what you're thinking

why are you voting Bazuf

[Save The Dragons]

like you find me sus but would rather vote for someone who used too many ... because they're not here?

[Naerys]

I voted Bazuf beceause i wanted to get some reaction from this player. Cannot be votes used in this way at this stage?

[Save The Dragons]

they can it's just weird they didn't seem like your top suspect

[KatyKimFanClub]

UNVOTE: Naerys

Feeling a little under the weather so I won't elaborate on too much stuff, but I think the response in 267 is pretty good. Do you have games on this site where you feel like you got pocketed by scum?

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A little wary of Civil Scum's townread on RN, and I'm also confused (genuinely, not trying to throw shade under the guise of being confused) about the discoure around the early wagon on Civil Scum.

To me, he was never under any pressure of being eliminated. I think in my last 2 completed Newbie games we had players put to E-1 by page 2 with no actual threat of hammering. So, any retroactive analysis that suggests such seems weird to me (not sure if there was any).

The players on the wagon were Bazuf, Starfire, Random Nurse, Bellaphant. Bazuf was the first vote, but the only one of the four who Civil Scum scumreads? In fact he townreads the others. So why was he so upset over his wagon if everyone who contributed to it after the first vote was town?

I could be misreading this.

[Hu Tao]

I voted Bazuf beceause i wanted to get some reaction from this player. Cannot be votes used in this way at this stage?

Seems fine to me. I agree there was some overreacting