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hi i'm new klick!

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that's true maybe we're all mafia again

i'm slowly reading but not much has stood out to me so far

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i think i like tweet, hem, clidd, and daisy so far

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not sure how i feel about the roden/hem exchange, i actually think hem looks worse now i don't know that he's arguing in good faith with roden there

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i feel like clidd's stock has gone down too as the game's progressed but it's hard for me to pinpoint why

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beginning of d2 reads

the bigger you are the townier you are

geraintm

OopsieDaisy

Elements
Greeting

Emperor flippyNips
clidd

curiouskarmadog

Morning Tweet

furtiveglance

humaneatingmonkey

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i dunno sometimes i do better when people talk to me

VOTE: HEM for now

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VOTE: clidd

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UNVOTE:

i don't remember why i thought clidd was scummy let me take a closer look

i would like to know why people are so keen on HEM

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I think early clidd has a lot of opinions on the gamestate, but their vote is kind of all over the place going after lurkers.

i think what initially bothered me was how clidd didn't really take a stance on HEM vs Roden. kind of makes a wishy washy post 572 and ultimately puts them both in null 645

in 809 there's a slide downward for Roden but there's not much progression. Also, no one is scummy, everyone's in a null category in both readslists. This could indicate that it's not accurate and clidd doesn't want to put too many actual scumreads. but it could also just be uncertainty.

I don't know. I think clidd is fine to pressure tbh. I think I want to hear what furtive thinks about clidd tho

VOTE: clidd for now

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UNVOTE:

i don't remember why i thought clidd was scummy let me take a closer look

i would like to know why people are so keen on HEM

My stance on HEM right now is that he's a talker. He's someone who was willing to lead town yesterday and the activity he gives to the game tells us a lot about him and those around him. Do I feel good about him dipping out a bit today? Not really. But it shows he'll engage if/when he needs to.

But I feel like if he's scum there's a strong chance he's paired with Furtive because of how I've observed them interacting and the way they've both tried to push other players' votes away from the other (HEM with the limpool of the gera pushers thing, Furtive guiding your vote away from HEM just this page). Because of this, and the fact I feel like he's a really strong asset to us *if* he's town, I want to flip Furtive first.

i'm not sure i follow.

I'm willing to vote HEM over clidd but I don't really see the appetite for it and I think the best case I have is go remember what happened, HEM pushed roden for tring him for unbelievable reasons. It looks like HEM wanted to control the town and today he's not really reflecting on the mislim in any meaningful way (unless I missed it, which is possible). Scum don't always have to be "mea culpa, i'm so bad uwu" but sometimes they ignore stuff like that and hope town does, too.

as far as furtive goes I'm not really sure but I did ask for input from other people so anyone who came in and picked one of my low reads probably would have gotten my vote. I feel like if anything furtive hasn't meme'd enough but that's not really a good reason to suspect him lol. maybe i'll take a closer look at him in a sec.

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when calling furtive soulless i guess i can kind of feel it, i think i am used to a more jovial, off the cuff, furtive than this but it could also just be a change in the way furtive is playing. i don't know. i could probably pressure there too.

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VOTE: snivy

yeah, this is okay

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I think that's e-2

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Hi I need some time I'm pretty busy but I'll try to post tomorrow if not tonight

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@ STD and Emperor

who is scum and why?

probably clidd and emperor?

clidd is mostly vibes i'm not sure i can quantify
empereror just not here

@mod

you have 2 votes for clidd in 2 different places in your VC

VOTE: clidd

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i think you're less scummy than clidd or emperor

the fact you chose to shut up d2 was interesting and i'm not sure what to think about it, that post made me change my mind about you enough though

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The main thing everyone says is HEM played D2 different, why was that advantageous to him as scum so much so that it's more likely than the alternative

I think it's what I expected either way it doesn't make sense to want to drive as strongly as HEM did D1 either way. Maybe voting Greeting while toning down his aggression was a useful coincidence for scum!HEM

But it's not different from what town HEM would've done, is it? Question for anyone

I think it's possible it's a way to try and hide from the thread and not appear scummy after their interaction with Roden led to the town mislimming Roden.

I'm not saying that's happening but I don't understand the argument that this is what town!HEM would have done. I want to revisit HEM in the future.

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elements why do you think i'm scum

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Why do you want to lim me first

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Why do you want to lim me first

Elements

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No I didn't know about deadline. I will try to get back into this game later today

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i think i need to read this game again

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gerain is a known and identified grouch

I'm a delight Day 2

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I'm finding clidd pretty suspicious right now

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i think it's interesting HEM goes after Daisy for being over explainy after 2 people are voting for Daisy. Knowing Daisy is town, it seems like it's an attempt to get a wagon going. Pushback from Roden, Gera, and Clidd make this unlikely, so they get off to vote Takutai later.

Then there's 270, which susses tweet but no vote

291 seems important, this is where Roden tr's HEM.

in 297, HEM isn't thinking about this yet, they're considering ckd, and their seemingly arbitrary vote on Takutai is gone.

humaneatingmonkey

gives out town vibes as well. I agree with almost all of his thoughts in this game so far.

completely ignored by HEM I think to target Roden's reasons for tring HEM. I think this is pretty damning.

I found 205 kinda suspicious as

Roden

didn't seem to be that focused on the game prior to making that post, and felt the need to specifically defend

OopsieDaisy

's behavior. Too early to say if I'm onto anything with it though.

Trying to test the waters of a roden mislim.

It isn't until 339 that HEM decides to attack Roden. This might be +town for HEM tbh because why would scum need to test the waters with Roden with two people, if Greetings is the first to suggest Roden is scummy, HEM jumping on could just be town assuming Greetings has good intentions and agreeing. that's not to say it's impossible for hem to be scum.

gonna keep reading before i do anything, i'm starting to remember not liking hem and roden's exchange but i haven't gotten to that point yet.

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Dragons as well what

Where am I sussing the mason claims

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I just found it weird is all

If I meant more than that I would have said more

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VOTE: hem I think this is correct

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Scum std votes Bob and takes the easy road

Town std votes hem and sticks with his conviction even if it's a losing battle.

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I made arguments yesterday. When I get home I can clarify if needed

I don't see a lot of support for a HEM lim

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no i am new i have never heard of bussing, what is it?

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my belief that it is HEM is that they come in guns blazing on Roden but kind of ignores when Greeting does a similar thing. When the Roden wagon goes through, they lurk through d2 to avoid drawing suspicion and to try and keep out of the forefront of people's minds.

from today HEM was going on bob but switched to me when I went after them. as scum he had to because i'm threatening his wincon.

I think bob is possible too but i think the pattern of behavior is more likely to come from scum

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I very rarely talk mech

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why did you vote bob start of day

what makes you think bob's town now

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they're not inaccurate.

On d1 you were on roden. Greeting TRs you for something and Roden then trs you for something. You don't notice greeting's tr and attack roden for his tr. I don't know how you can say you were on greeting since d1.

you did lurk whether you want to call it that or not. if you want to call it a tactical decision to not be in the thread, that's fine too, it's still possible to do as scum. to discuss whether or not you "lurked" is pedantic and beside the point.

can you point out where you had me in your POE on d2? it's possible i'm missing this, I have to run to work so i can't check myself right now

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they're not inaccurate.

On d1 you were on roden. Greeting TRs you for something and Roden then trs you for something. You don't notice greeting's tr and attack roden for his tr. I don't know how you can say you were on greeting since d1.

you did lurk whether you want to call it that or not. if you want to call it a tactical decision to not be in the thread, that's fine too, it's still possible to do as scum. to discuss whether or not you "lurked" is pedantic and beside the point.

can you point out where you had me in your POE on d2? it's possible i'm missing this, I have to run to work so i can't check myself right now

Is this any different to last game when you were scum?

What do you mean by this

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I think it is HEM. If not hem, probably Bob but I'd want to look at things before committing to that

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That's not very impressive

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will get to this soon

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To finish off, Dragon should of been town reading HEM if he was town as those actions he was using to make a case were teh very same actions that HEM did in his last town game

HEM did not 1v1 town then hide the next day so i'm hard pressed to believe this, this seems like a lie to me

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STD, who was this post too?

it was to town to point out my behavior doesn't make sense as scum.

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STD, who was this post too?

it was to town to point out my behavior doesn't make sense as scum.

so who is scum and why arent you trying to find them?

What do you mean I'm fucking busy

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Hem was my solve that was it

I was wrong

I think Bob is sketchy but I would like to sit down and find out if Bob is the answer or if I think someone is worse

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emperor just feels like someone who couldn't keep up with the game. possibly uninformed, a scum PT could potentially help with that but it's not a guarentee.

if bob is scum they've played well, they've painted a picture of me being scum the entire way and hasn't really let go of that. the thing i'm getting hung up on is the following:

they're not inaccurate.

On d1 you were on roden. Greeting TRs you for something and Roden then trs you for something. You don't notice greeting's tr and attack roden for his tr. I don't know how you can say you were on greeting since d1.

you did lurk whether you want to call it that or not. if you want to call it a tactical decision to not be in the thread, that's fine too, it's still possible to do as scum. to discuss whether or not you "lurked" is pedantic and beside the point.

can you point out where you had me in your POE on d2? it's possible i'm missing this, I have to run to work so i can't check myself right now

Is this any different to last game when you were scum?

To finish off, Dragon should of been town reading HEM if he was town as those actions he was using to make a case were teh very same actions that HEM did in his last town game

I don't see how I was supposed to equate HEM from the last game I played with them into this game. HEM acted entirely differently.

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On D1 of the previous game mentioned, HEM had multiple suspects and voted multiple people. Here, HEM held onto Roden pretty much the entire time. HEM got into a 1v1 but that could just be their personality, not necessarily AI. On D2 HEM tried to push someone (N_M) and eventually found themselves up against a wall. They may have chilled a little, but didn't spend the day avoiding being the center of attention. I don't see the comparison.

I think this is scum trying to frame me.

I'm not going to get very far with my opinion of a mason hunter being scum or town so i won't bother but it could be either way i think. I don't really know enough about game balance to say for sure.

I feel like bob had an agenda of trying to get me mislimmed and came into the thread trying to align with the masons in order to do so, following MT's suspicion on Klick.

VOTE: Bob i hope this is right.

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gera just seems uniformed and disengaged, it could mean they're the last scum disinterested in the game but i think it's more likely they're just town here.

curious i need to look at some more when i have more time

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gera just seems uniformed and disengaged, it could mean they're the last scum disinterested in the game but i think it's more likely they're just town here.

curious i need to look at some more when i have more time

question,

why did you vote bob BEFORE looking at me more?

Felt like it

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thanks for modding too tsq and umlaut