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[Merlyn]

idk i lowkey think 25% is pretty high odds of it flopping lol

My take is this- we torture, and if the result comes up red we use sac on them. That way 75% kill a scums, 25% get more money

[camelCasedSnivy]

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[Aureal]

Enchant was Roden slot? Okay, i can believe RCEnigma is the only scum in there, not fully, I do see a world where Meow could be scum here, but I’m not too interested in it right now.

I agree with this.

there are potential secret half votes in play, i think, so we have to be careful.

Oh, if we think there's secret vote manipulation we definitely need to be careful. If we operate under the theory that they use the same action list, they could've done jury and mayor to have 1.5 secret votes here. Or cut someone's vote in half. So I don't think it's a good idea just having one person vote the elimination in order to use Recount.

[Enchant]

idk i lowkey think 25% is pretty high odds of it flopping lol

My take is this- we torture, and if the result comes up red we use sac on them. That way 75% kill a scums, 25% get more money

I don't need to explain why this is bad proposal.

[Aureal]

Enchant was Roden slot? Okay, i can believe RCEnigma is the only scum in there, not fully, I do see a world where Meow could be scum here, but I’m not too interested in it right now.

Enchant was Random Nurse though. Hu Tao was Roden.

[Aureal]

idk i lowkey think 25% is pretty high odds of it flopping lol

My take is this- we torture, and if the result comes up red we use sac on them. That way 75% kill a scums, 25% get more money

I don't need to explain why this is bad proposal.

It's just flat out wrong, to start. That's not what sacrifice does.

[Deal With The Devil]

I do like the video of Census, but probably better for a later day, Torture seems like the way to go for today....those are good odds. But I will let Alianna chime in and make the final call for us.

Meow, 1435 was a commentary on the flip flop from Infinity.....seemed like they folded way too easily on our scum read.....didn't seem genuine.

And Re: The Cakez post that people keep referencing(can't remember the post number), part of the read was an ongoing game that has just finished where, IIRC, they posted a lot like that when under pressure.

And obviously when I say 'FL is locktown', I am not saying I will never ever ever vote him. But I have seen him make and almost identical entrance into a game (not exactly the same, in the other game he basically posted memes on D1 and the on D2 is when he started really playing). I have also seen him as scum enter a game and be completely different.

So ya, this is classic townFL imo.....unless there is hard evidence or someone can make a really fucking good case for him as scum. Flavor is definitely a good Mafia player, but he isn't some crazy unreadable chameleon lol.

[Deal With The Devil]

I do like the video of Census, but probably better for a later day, Torture seems like the way to go for today....those are good odds. But I will let Alianna chime in and make the final call for us.

Meow, 1435 was a commentary on the flip flop from Infinity.....seemed like they folded way too easily on our scum read.....didn't seem genuine.

And Re: The Cakez post that people keep referencing(can't remember the post number), part of the read was an ongoing game that has just finished where, IIRC, they posted a lot like that when under pressure.

And obviously when I say 'FL is locktown', I am not saying I will never ever ever vote him. But I have seen him make and almost identical entrance into a game (not exactly the same, in the other game he basically posted memes on D1 and the on D2 is when he started really playing). I have also seen him as scum enter a game and be completely different.

So ya, this is classic townFL imo.....unless there is hard evidence or someone can make a really fucking good case for him as scum. Flavor is definitely a good Mafia player, but he isn't some crazy unreadable chameleon lol.

Oops

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[Deal With The Devil]

Oh dear, I am an idiot.....in Pokemon I thought I read in the dead chat that Cakez was scum haha.

Though ironically I skimmed through a bit of his iso and there wasn't the frustration I noticed here, but I don't remember him having a ton of pressure here, so whatevs.

So basically most of the issue I had with his post are kinda null to me now, glad I could waste all your time lol.

But that game was also where I scumFL repp in and be way different then town FL...... unfortunately I believed him on his LLD read though, so there is that.

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[Merlyn]

idk i lowkey think 25% is pretty high odds of it flopping lol

My take is this- we torture, and if the result comes up red we use sac on them. That way 75% kill a scums, 25% get more money

I don't need to explain why this is bad proposal.

It's just flat out wrong, to start. That's not what sacrifice does.

oh, I missed that sacrifice doesn't kill someone if they're not scum. Wow, makes sac in general a lot less appealing to me.

[RCEnigma]

there are potential secret half votes in play, i think, so we have to be careful.

there are potential secret half votes in play, i think, so we have to be careful.

i think we should make a new rule that everyone should unvote all other wagons if someone expresses intent to hammer then

If you two are concerned about this why not advocate for election security?

Because it wouldn’t change the mechanics of today.

[Merlyn]

there are potential secret half votes in play, i think, so we have to be careful.

there are potential secret half votes in play, i think, so we have to be careful.

i think we should make a new rule that everyone should unvote all other wagons if someone expresses intent to hammer then

If you two are concerned about this why not advocate for election security?

Because it wouldn’t change the mechanics of today.

It was on the board yesterday as an option, I even voted for it, and neither of these two were worried then.

[RCEnigma]

Don’t think it’s as big a deal as you are making it out to be. Or maybe you aren’t and I’m thinking you are. But idc if people are careful with their voting.

[camelCasedSnivy]

there are potential secret half votes in play, i think, so we have to be careful.

there are potential secret half votes in play, i think, so we have to be careful.

i think we should make a new rule that everyone should unvote all other wagons if someone expresses intent to hammer then

If you two are concerned about this why not advocate for election security?

Because it wouldn’t change the mechanics of today.

It was on the board yesterday as an option, I even voted for it, and neither of these two were worried then.

is my rule not fair?

[SirCakez]

Recount will be pretty useful later in the game

Will it? If it told us how many were on wagon, maybe. Unless it's an unusually small wagon though, I would just tend to assume the answer is pretty much always going to be "yes there was insurgents on the elimination."

I suppose if we're organized enough we could have like, only two people vote for the elimination and use it to confirm them or be certain that at least one is scum.

That's my point later in the game wagons will be a lot smaller, there's a chance multiple people could get confirmed as town at once

[RCEnigma]

I do like the idea of using it like a….I would say parity check but that’s not quite right. But you get what I mean.

[Hu Tao]

Oh my God. I may never replace this many pages into a game again. This is too much to catch up and I feel so lost. Especially with all these mechanics

[SirCakez]

Torture + Trading Outpost is clearly the way to go today imo

[Flavor Leaf]

Oh my God. I may never replace this many pages into a game again. This is too much to catch up and I feel so lost. Especially with all these mechanics

It’s not as bad as it seems. I’m still a little lost after replacing in mid day 1, but it just feels like little extra bonus stuff in a mountainous game

[marcistar]

idk what i wanna do yet

[Deal With The Devil]

Oh my God. I may never replace this many pages into a game again. This is too much to catch up and I feel so lost. Especially with all these mechanics

It’s not as bad as it seems. I’m still a little lost after replacing in mid day 1, but it just feels like little extra bonus stuff in a mountainous game

Like honestly, saying fuck it I won't really catch up and just play going forward is kinda liberating.

Had one of my best town games replacing into a 165 page game with this attitude lol.

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[camelCasedSnivy]

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