Open 881 | Friends and Enemies | Postgame

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Wow its good to see some of yall its been a grip

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VOTE: The Bulge U stickin out more than the rest of us buddy

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BELL I miss u buddy <3
And u too i guess drew

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Katya seems like they'll sort themselves if they keep hyperposting Ari are you scum or nah?
@drew For real its been a while tho tbf

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mala playing the entire game drunk challenge

ANSWER THE QUESTION I WANT ANSWERS
And more like take a shot every post challenge

Katya seems like they'll sort themselves if they keep hyperposting Ari are you scum or nah?
@drew For real its been a while tho tbf

what do you want to say about ari here, and do you think hyperposting players are often easy to read?

VOTE: superbowl9

No I don't think postcount = readability I'm only commenting on Katya
Do you disagree?

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let's wagon datisi

That's not very nice what if I said wagon you

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mala playing the entire game drunk challenge

ANSWER THE QUESTION I WANT ANSWERS
And more like take a shot every post challenge

Katya seems like they'll sort themselves if they keep hyperposting Ari are you scum or nah?
@drew For real its been a while tho tbf

what do you want to say about ari here, and do you think hyperposting players are often easy to read?

VOTE: superbowl9

No I don't think postcount = readability I'm only commenting on Katya
Do you disagree?

i don't actually have that much experience with katya so i'm not sure. honestly i thought you were saying that hyperposting is easily readable. do you know her?

Nah and no but lowkey I thought all of this would be implied in the post I coulda said katya will sort if they hyperpost instead no? Seems like a weird press

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what the fuck datisi. what the fuck is wrong with you

VOTE: superbowl

Awe now thats really not nice

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ANSWER THE QUESTION I WANT ANSWERS

what's the question? I didn't hear you from over here

ANSWERS

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I asked if you prefer pizza or pasta but you couldve just isod me

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I knew you were scum only a liar would rebuke pizza

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I’ve always had a pretty hard time reading [mala]. The game has a way of working them out though. Rather, it’s never been super detrimental for me to just sit there and let her work herself out.

^^^rt this
Actually the same way I approach you too

I knew you were scum only a liar would rebuke pizza

pasta is much tastier and easy to make

Who makes pizza??? I thought this was something solved during the agricultural revolution that we were able to universally outsource pizza making

i will be sortable if i continue hyperposting

i wanna hear an actual elaboration from superbowl for why he thinks so

Let's say I said "I think we should resolve the Datasty spot soon because I don't believe we will gain much AI from his posting and he will be a late game detriment." The opposite of that.
This isn't the exact reason I'm voting you but VOTE: Datisi

I voted him because I thought the pasta or pizza question was weird

It's 100% AI

except i will say i prefer pasta

Holy shit I'm solving in RVS im on a ROLLLLL

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Nah and no but lowkey I thought all of this would be implied in the post I coulda said katya will sort if they hyperpost instead no? Seems like a weird press

i mean, is that not exactly what you said? i don't understand this at all or what's meant to be implied

"katya seems like it will sort" vs "katya will sort" implies i dont know the slot
I thought the other part about hyperposting was implied too but either way its clarified now that I don't think hyperpost always means solvability (if I did why make a comment specifically on that slot you know?)
Its getting a little pedantic so I'm not gonna keep talking about it

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but like, i don't know i obviously shouldn't give commentary on anyone else's playstyle because mine is questionable at best

Dont beat yourself up you have a good playstyle!

no because to make good pizza you need to have a certain kind of oven whereas with pasta you can make great pasta with just a pot and some dishes.

I really hate to be the pasta police but Digiornio

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Ive heard enough VOTE: Aristeia

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explain your datisi read independent of the wagon?

need to iso them after this post then to properly get a read. I admit I've been lazy this game so far. why are you making me work?
are you a sadist? do you hate me? what have i done to deserve actually trying this game

Maybe this will help motivate you VOTE: Shadi1337

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do you think there's scum on your wagon shady?

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do you think there's scum on your wagon shady?

Yeah prolly one scum in there, what do you feel about yours?

+1 to 495 who and why?


I think Bulge is town.

STD said he doesn't like my iso but i mean spot the difference between mine and his? I'm not sure on him

I have a slight townread on Ari but its getting weaker.

Ari

Originally I believe she didn't like me because of my pasta question which was a misunderstanding on her part I believe.
My original question was in 137 I just wanted to fish an interaction.
But she didn't want to iso me and find out I guess? So I turned it into a meme which became far too funny to cut off. (also believe this is why STD didn't like me)

That said the tone/thought process of that interaction and most of her posting felt towny to me.
But I hate hate hate 520 - what do you expect to happen? We flood out of the woodwork with bell interaction posts?
I get it if you're annoyed but you're a good enough player to know there are so many good ways to kick up a stink about someone and that is not one of them.
Its antitown and implying no one is helping enough with interactions is a little ironic considering the above stated ^.


{shady tisti drew} would be my preferred fade
Particularly Drew I would like to hear from he kinda sank into the background and has been doing well at contributing without contributing.

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obviously, i didn't like 137; both the katya read and the ari thing felt rather empty to me, like just saying things to say things.

What draws the line for you between town armchairing gamestate vs scum faking contributions?

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could you walk me through why with regards to superbowl9

he had that weird post about hyperposting and readability that doesn't contribute anything, and then like from that point on he's saying *words* but those words don't actually go anywhere

like, i played with him once a few years ago, i was scum in that game and he was town but i remember him actually like, doing things

Here is my contribution you are scum

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mm, conflict generally feels counterproductive

Cap

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Im fighting you too Drew jtlyk

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VOTE: Dr. Drew

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Im fighting you too Drew jtlyk

But why so quick to go off Dats, then Ari, then me?

I don't think Ari is scum rn.
Tasty is already getting his spotlight but I'll fight him too if I feel like it, I don't think I was ever "on" him I just have a SR
You I think need to be fought with a little bit to expose your scummy ways. Tell me what you think we should do right now

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mm, conflict generally feels counterproductive

Cap

it wasn’t but probably not worth discussing at any length here

Truth

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You could be but the way that I approach solving I saw in your thought processes if that makes sense

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You could be but the way that I approach solving I saw in your thought processes if that makes sense

I'm sorry this doesn't make sense to me - what did you see in my thought process that makes you believe I am town?

It's hard to describe and a lot of its feel but one thing I guess is picking spots to clarify vs obfuscate.

Regardless of alignment you have to hide some information and highlight other bits right?
I think thats something I do that poeople misread/dont understand a good amount of the time.
Like just because I'm not making things clear doesn't mean my motivation in doing so is scummy.
Some things (reaction test easy example) work better as data silently collected for now vs YOU JUST FAILED MY REACTION TEST SCUM EVERYBODY LOOK IM SORTING

Anyways I got the sense from your play that the way you were clarifying was towny.
That's not the only thing and obviously its fakeable but I hope that explains a bit what I meant by I was seeing the way that I sort as town in your play.

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wdym by the way i am clarifying is townie? can you give like an example and why it is townie?

264 Wants to clarify
354 Does not want to clarify
362 Back to clarifying

I find that towny. If you wanted to just slap a SR you could have if you wanted to just fight criticism you could have. Changing back and forth based on what you think is helpful is town

530 and 538 if you want something recent. (Admittedly this had to be prompted w/ backlash to your "do work for me town" which takes away cookie points)
Bell is TOT wallposting but trying to boil that down into something nice and readable is in the best interest of town imo.

It's not just that series of posts but is writing an essay on every nuance of my read on you what you want? I could have literally just said "Feel" and it would mean the exact same thing as what I'm writing.
It's not 1 or 2 or 4 posts that pinged me nor is it specifically only this attribute of clarity/obfuscation its an overall impression of your mindset.

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VOTE: Superbowl

Knew you would expose yourself

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And you're welcome for the defense btw

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So I can't explain my read and when I do I'm panicking

An OMGUS at the first sign of pressure with 1 day till deadline? Your town game is better than this

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So I can't explain my read and when I do I'm panicking

An OMGUS at the first sign of pressure with 1 day till deadline? Your town game is better than this

One, literally had no idea you were voting me.

Two, you kept saying you couldn't really describe the town read on ari.......then all of sudden you could.

So ya, phony.

Take a look at 659, 660, and 661 and tell me again you had "no idea" I was voting you please.

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it takes maybe like 10 minutes to skim his past 3 or 4 isos in completed games

I'm dead u gave bro homework

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Still think Drew is opportunistic scum

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u a real one mala

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Still think Drew is opportunistic scum

partnered with shadi1337 then? or meowmeow? or just not take those opportunities ? or?

No wrt me? I'm the biggest wagon

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You know what that's a great question with shadi I had felt like his wagon was a little tooth pull-y for whatever reason but you're right about meow

@drew why me over meow?

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Ill hop on choo choo
VOTE: Datisti

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Looking at Drew/Tist/shadi again associatives make absolutely no sense but its D1 so its fine ig

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uh the superbowl wagon is like

i'm not as enthusiastic about it as the shadi wagon?

but i don't hate it either and realistically will probably end up voting there

there have been some places where he sounds like town genuinely believing what he's saying. like when he explains the ari read and he's like, "oh this is something most people don't pay attention to, how people like me strategically withdraw information!" and then in the next post he's like "oh ari is town because she didn't want to explain her datisi read but asked others about theirs" and suddenly i feel like he's townreading ari waaaay too easily and it's scummy

FTR i don't have a hard ari townread I thought i made that clear like 5x in my posts that it's a lean

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So I was doing the reading thing after a nap and I stopped after reaching the point when SB said: “Dont bother meta is useless and mine is even moreso useless”

Just kidding I finished. After a review of 3 games and I don’t got nuffin. I guess the fact he broke out the quotes is slightly different but mostly I just have a head ache now.

I say this every game pretty sure

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No I don't say don't meta me I say meta is useless in any game period

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Has anyone ever tried to intentionally play the same way (regardless of alignment)??? Meta is easily the most manipulable thing in mafia AND the most easily defensible argument of all time and will gift wrap a scum W its a waste of time every game

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Game-ly meta rant over

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Dont have a read his iso is sahara barren

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Unfortunately lurking =/= scum if you want to policy him i wont fight you though

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Im not omgusing lol

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Dead okay maybe I am

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I did say to wagon him at one point

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round and round round and round

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Have we considered he's off saving dragons maybe?

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LETS GOOOO I fooled her yall!

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Oops wrong thread

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LETS GOOOO I fooled her yall!

Oops wrong thread

Lol, despite you being scum.....I do remember I like you superbowl.

Keep being you.

<3 back at you scum
This is our best theatre yet

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Spoiler:

ok so reads wise, here are my takes on the players in this game

Datisi

ok first of all datisi always rolls scum. this is important if you believe in the gambler's fallacy, or its superior equivalent, anti gambler's fallacy, which holds that if someone keeps rolling scum they keep rolling scum. despite my making fun of him - which i hold to be fully justified in every way - he is actually a very good scum player and that needs to be kept in mind

146 feels +town to me. not sure exactly how to verbalise it, but it comes off as like, weirdly sheepy and lacking conviction, which i think is fairly +town because this stuff can just happen as a result of the game being hard as town; whereas scum datisi i think is good at creating options and it's more difficult to see how his thought process gets to the point where he thinks this is a good post to make.

182 is a bit ??? to me because it's like, why would you think i'm not ausuka? i told you i was making an alt in your discord DMs like a couple weeks before the game started and i don't think my posts are that different. i get being like 'oh i didn't think of that' but sheer shock is a bit strange. however unless someone told him beforehand i was ausuka it's probably not ai at all and idk how likely that is

does datisi try and pocket me and then call me stupid? maybe? i think he would know i wouldn't like that and i'm something of an emotional player so maybe it's slightly +town

as scum once, i pushed datisi because he townread someone pushing on him. i accused him of trying to defuse the situation. he was town in that game. i guess that is to say, i don#t really get what's so unnatural about the bulge read or why town datisi wouldn't make it

overall i lean town on datisi so far, i think

Aristeia

she flirts with datisi a lot. that's not ai it just makes me smile

i originally didn't like 206 because speculation about scumteams or whatever that doesn't involve a serious push on one of the people involved has always felt empty to me and makes me go but also i can kind of see why she would find that datisi post a bit over-the-top so shrug

the read on bell in 389 is interesting. my instinct is to like it, and i can kind of see where she's coming from if town, even if i'm not sure i 100% get it - maybe partially because i lack context? but it's true that bell lacks bite in this game.

yekaterina

so, i don't think katya is town particularly, which i get is an unusual opinion to have. she was scum in the recently completed micro 1087 and just absolutely swept the game so i don't really think i should buy into the narrative that like, she's obvtown because she posts a lot of stuff that looks vaguely thoughtful. obviously if ppl have more specific reasons to townread her i'm happy to hear it; i don't think we should write off any reason to townread a capable scum player but i think a lot of the more common surface level reasons aren't that valid

obviously, i didn't like 167 - i mean i'm biased because like, it's me, and it did explain the post was trying not to give anything away but... meh, i'm just not a fan of the whole exchange

didn't really like 178 like 'you should expect i'll be obvious town' feels a bit like scum trying to be too cheeky to be scum. idk if that makes sense

i don't know if i need to go through the whole honeypot thing again. i'm not sure if anyone except me actually read that. but like, i basically just don't like how light of a wave katya makes towards shadi, not really doing anything there, and calling it a honeypot because after she did that, people wouldn't 'need' to talk to shadi and therefore anyone who does is probably scum? i think it's possible that there's some playstyle difference there because it is incredibly foreign to how i play mafia. but the thing that really got me is the idea that anyone pushing shadi is necessarily like, influenced by her push and being opportunistic, even though it wasn't really a push and was a light and noncommittal idea about how she doesn't really know who scum is. and it comes without really engaging with the reasons why they were doing that. i do still think there is some partner equity there but that's not important for now. of course, there's the whole deal where she doesn't like votes/wagons and that's obviously genuine but it is obviously also aware that a lot of people do not share this view. so like to review, she is asked who scum is, and instead of answering normally sets up a 'honeypot' except the honey attracts people that disagree with it about how wagons work, which she apparently doesn't want to discuss. not to mention she goes to great lengths to emphasise how much she does not really believe in this read which just seems... incredibly counterproductive to the entire purpose. and obviously if she's scum it's a rather intricate thing, but i really do not see the town thought process here, and i think it's a +scum thing to do.

and yeah idk that is basically my whole read on katya. even in her more recent posts, i still don't really understand it or where it's coming from at all in terms of what she's pushing people for and if she's town, what she's going for, who she might like to eliminate. i don't see the thought process behind any of it. but i think part of that *could* be that i play very differently. i mean, i townread it once before, but maybe that game i wasn't as cautious of being snowed; i should probably go back and check. i lean scum on katya right now

the bulge

the bulge. i vibed him as town early, just based on how he was sharing reads and stuff in what i perceived to be a relaxed way. i liked 223 a bit. and like, the superbowl wagon comments are just... could they be from scum? yeah. but i tend to like proactive stuff like this that shows care for the gamestate, understanding things and parsing them so you can read people, sue me.

281 and 283 i have more mixed feelings about. my instinct is to say that unreasonable isn't scummy and that i don't like the approach but after reading the conversation for a while i get what he's saying better? like, the 'reasonable' word stuck in my brain but i think it might just be a red herring because bulge is saying that he doesn't believe datisi's emotional reaction to the question is genuine because he doesn't seem to actually care about the question itself. which seems like a fairly towny line of thinking actually; it's engaging with the thread on something of a deeper level and i think it's something he's put thought into. if he's scum it's very good scumplay.

uh, his more recent posts are more content-free. i can kind of see the desire behind pushing superbowl/presumably the datisi vote is a continuation of earlier so whatever.

Bell

bell has a lot of posts which i don't take a lot out of. 292 is probably the first interesting post in the entire bell iso. i didn't think datisi's read was bad personally - and as i said, i've pushed him for that as scum before, so i don't want to townread this in itself, but at least it's like making observations and doing something?

i don't hate his counter push on ari? most of his poking and pushing seems to lack edge, in the sense he's not really trying to wagon people or push people at any point. in that sense, i agree with aristeia. i am totally unfamiliar with bell, but i don't really get the sense he's forcing himself to be here tho; he's just around, vibing, but not with a strong sense of purpose? and again, idk him or the meta here, but it feels unfair to pick on him for that when a lot of people feel the same or worse.

i think bell acting like my laptop breaking is some sort of mystery or whatever is weird but probably not ai. same w/ blockgate

overall? shrug, i don't really want to kill him today but i don't particularly think he's town either.

Doctor Drew

drew has kind of dropped off, unfortunately. i thought he was towny early on. as i say in 196 i think 186 is a likely townpost because it's counter-intuitive for scum drew to say that about std, unless he's actually scum with std i guess. i also see how someone would sus the datisi vote on drew, so that part is fine. and the scumread on me is fine, or even good; i get where it's coming from and how it would come to a towny thought process even if i don't agree.

however since then he has just been completely low energy? like he pushes datisi for a while, which is meh but whatever, and then he says the push is becoming less productive - yeah sure that makes sense - but he doesn't really follow through on it and totally deflates.

i think this balances out to a townlean; he's been towny enough that i have no interest in pushing him right now but that's not an iron strong read

Dunnstral

i guess it's not that hard to fake but i did like his early drew push? felt believable. i'm biased but i liked 308 because

he was agreeing with me

idk he was pushing me earlier and then called the shadi wagon good and agreed with my comment on ari which feels a bit like towny fluidity. i think the malakittens vote is good. overall, i'm not certain of it but i think dunnstral is town this game

Malakittens

a little background context; i am aware of the malakittens meta. she did some stuff in datisi's cafe and i thought she was probably town because of the meta. she was not town. therefore, i don't really care about the meta.

anyway, her posts are very social, which isn't inherently bad but she does seem to care about that even at the expense of scumhunting. i don't like 373; i'm not entirely sure what she's trying to say about bell, but it seems a lot more interesting than 'drew is always scum' - it just feels off to me in terms of thought process. she could easily be scum here. on the other hand, she is a cat, which gets points

shadi1337

well, i think shadi is the player i need to do this for the least, since i've explained my thoughts on him in some depth already. it could come from town but the townread on katya in 63 is probably what i expect scum to say here? saying he's 'not opposed' to voting datisi when asking bulge about his read feels kind of weird, in the sense i'm not sure why it's there and might be self-conscious. he doesn't like alts existing, which is actually the real reason i scumread him. the rest of these posts are a front. as i said, the read on datisi and me is *very* weird to me, and to me it shows a lack of care in solving the both of us which i dislike; i think you get to the conclusion he did if you very briefly skim datisi's post which town can do but if he's doing that, and still refers to the post to explain his decisions, it feels very very off to me.

and again, if he thinks sheep would 'definitely' be more investigative as town, it's just odd that he needs prompting to bring it up - i don't see the town thought process here really.

i think he was asked about it and didn't respond - the 'one scum' thing feels oddly specific. from his perspective, couldn't there be two? there could also be zero even if he's town but i acknowledge a lot of town players will think that is unlikely

the only thing i can really say in his defence is that if he's mafia, he's probably being bussed, because to me it doesn't really feel like they're trying to save him. and it can be difficult to tell between unmotivated town and unmotivated mafia sometimes; if you don't really care about your win condition, it's hard to tell from your actions what your win conditions is

Save the Dragons

i find std hard to sort. the push on datisi had vaguely good vibes, or at least i, uh... idk how to put it into words, but i think scum std makes the points from 327 without prompting more likely, and i think in general it could come from town easily and scum, like, could approach it this way but i'm not sure they would. think 415 is a believable read? the read would have been solidified if he had questioned me townreading him but shrug.

superbowl9

obviously, i didn't like 137; both the katya read and the ari thing felt rather empty to me, like just saying things to say things. the rest of his posts are equally empty. with 213 it's like... ok? is it scummy, because you're not really following up on it? i mean, none of it can't come from town, but there's rather a lack of anything interesting or towny in his posts and i'm not a fan of it. i guess to his credit most mafia players are better at pretending to do things, but some of the stuff he does looks like an *attempt* to contribute, i'm just not feeling it at all

sheepsaysmeep

sheepsaysmeep. i mean, he's bell's block buddy i guess, whatever that means? maybe they both live in california. well, i'd like him to elaborate on 297 because that post is just there and i'm not sure what the follow through is.

This is an insightful post; town points.

wait you read allat???

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Join the tasty train katya

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and like in the town game he is much more aggressive in going after people whereas in the scum games he's kind of passive and making idle chit chat

scum t3's description of superbowl9's meta in this normal basically indistinguishable from your meta notes here which is pretty funny to me on a couple levels

Town sb9:
Very assertive
Switches between slight joking and hyperseriousness
Engages with the thread
Early game, will give unexplained reads but as the game progresses his reads will develop more
Scum sb9:
Less assertive
Fluffs and jokes around a lot, usually never hyperserious
Engages much less with the thread and usually doesn't respond to people's posts
Reads are mostly unexplained

So am i funnier as town or scum that's what we need to figure out here

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Join the tasty train katya

is that datisi? and if so i am voting datisi

Oh fr? I need a vc

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So am i funnier as town or scum that's what we need to figure out here

are you town or scum here? the bulge sticking out thing was genuinely funny to me and my sense of humour generally leads more towards situational things and less towards jokes and things like that, so

Use my meta to find out

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I really doubt we get any other liveposters before deadline tbh

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i like these lazy summer nights listening to the wind blow through the leaves and the chirping of crickets.

Damn majestic af

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When he interacted with me his criticisms didn't make that much sense to me and he's felt kinda... idk backfooted? Like he doesn't care if things fizzle

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I really doubt we get any other liveposters before deadline tbh

sheepsaysmeep is going to save us he just said so

I am so ready

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hey nobody's perfect

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OH MY GOD HES HERE

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sheep sheep sheep sheep

I envisioned this in the bill nye the science guy melody

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WHAT

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An experiment gone wrong or???

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BELL it's officially a party

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Dont worry sheep is going to tell us what to do

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What do you think about getting Taco Bell rn?
I'm getting inspired

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Comin right up want a baja with that?

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Im actually bouta get some OMG WAIT its Tuesday

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Wellllllll if sheep has spoken so be it I guess can't complain

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superbowl9 - I think my current inclination is to just vote this? meh and like, ari townread that they were describing felt very fake. im on page 31

Can you tell me why you think ari is town?

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That taco bell SCHMACKED btw

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Cool

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good night sleep well!

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Sigh
Oh well!

Scumslip?

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VOTE: shadi1337 did a bit of homework and don't know why we came off this

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VOTE: shadi1337 did a bit of homework and don't know why we came off this

who is we in this case? your vote was placed for 'motivation' and then you moved to doctor drew to 'fight' and then to datisi without much consideration for going back to shadi1337, at least not publically

Yes exactly

His wagon died out originally (at least for me) because the game stagnated and he was out of sight out of mind while we were pushing elsewhere.
Then he gets flashed at deadline instantly appears, unvotes??? (you yourself were confused), and then we just forget about him?? Like hes a lim candidate here and then gets mentioned once after that. At deadline compromise lims tend to win out and I don't believe anyone openly advocated against his lim so... why did we just not push him?

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Sigh
Oh well!

Scumslip?

Scum what

:banana emoji:

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VOTE: shadi1337 did a bit of homework and don't know why we came off this

who is we in this case? your vote was placed for 'motivation' and then you moved to doctor drew to 'fight' and then to datisi without much consideration for going back to shadi1337, at least not publically

Yes exactly

His wagon died out originally (at least for me) because the game stagnated and he was out of sight out of mind while we were pushing elsewhere.
Then he gets flashed at deadline instantly appears, unvotes??? (you yourself were confused), and then we just forget about him?? Like hes a lim candidate here and then gets mentioned once after that. At deadline compromise lims tend to win out and I don't believe anyone openly advocated against his lim so... why did we just not push him?

i was open to it and was trying to work through datisi stuff to maybe get there and there wasn’t enough support for the wagon, and you yourself weren’t supporting it and weren’t working towards just feels kinda ??? for you to be like ‘why did we forget at shadi1337’ when

we

didn’t

datisi was pushing for it meowmeow was pushing for it i was open to it aristeia was voting there

I mean I was asleep lmao
That's exactly what I'm talking about though like you three were on it and then it just poofed

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VOTE: superbowl

Lock it in, never leaving

Pls be helpful if you're town

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Anything to say about shadi? Or dont wanna leave any associatives?

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VOTE: shadi1337 did a bit of homework and don't know why we came off this

who is we in this case? your vote was placed for 'motivation' and then you moved to doctor drew to 'fight' and then to datisi without much consideration for going back to shadi1337, at least not publically

Yes exactly

His wagon died out originally (at least for me) because the game stagnated and he was out of sight out of mind while we were pushing elsewhere.
Then he gets flashed at deadline instantly appears, unvotes??? (you yourself were confused), and then we just forget about him?? Like hes a lim candidate here and then gets mentioned once after that. At deadline compromise lims tend to win out and I don't believe anyone openly advocated against his lim so... why did we just not push him?

i was open to it and was trying to work through datisi stuff to maybe get there and there wasn’t enough support for the wagon, and you yourself weren’t supporting it and weren’t working towards just feels kinda ??? for you to be like ‘why did we forget at shadi1337’ when

we

didn’t

datisi was pushing for it meowmeow was pushing for it i was open to it aristeia was voting there

I mean I was asleep lmao
That's exactly what I'm talking about though like you three were on it and then it just poofed

because there wasn’t any other support so it dissolves into the other wagons because non-viable

like your wagon was viable, datisi wagon became viable, then your wagon unviable with bell locking in datisi and save the dragons switching from you to datisi, so datisi eliminated

from your perspective, none of the things that made datisi the elimination can really be hard scum indicative as could have landed on you if you’re town, and three of the players who preferred to eliminate shadi1337 preferred to eliminate you over datisi, so it’s like, who do you think was forgetting shadi1337 of the people there?

Okay facts: shadi was not limmed. Shadi is not townread (by anyone I'm pretty sure?). "We" as in the collective of the players in the game had a wagon on him, it fell apart, and then it came back for like 10 mins at deadline and died.

If you're saying sentiment was Datisti>superbowl>shadi okay fine I wasnt there at deadline but I didn't see "what about shadi" besides the brief interaction I mentioned (which pinged as not enough for someone who was/is widely scumread). So this is "What about shadi". Does that make sense?

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VOTE: superbowl

Lock it in, never leaving

Pls be helpful if you're town

Anything to say about shadi? Or dont wanna leave any associatives?

Lol, for some reason I thought Katya posted this.......was wondering why a weird change in tone.

But, go look at your own iso....don't do that as scum next time lol.

we've got a cop in the game anyone else in your solve? Open mic

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Okay facts: shadi was not limmed. Shadi is not townread (by anyone I'm pretty sure?). "We" as in the collective of the players in the game had a wagon on him, it fell apart, and then it came back for like 10 mins at deadline and died.

If you're saying sentiment was Datisti>superbowl>shadi okay fine I wasnt there at deadline but I didn't see "what about shadi" besides the brief interaction I mentioned (which pinged as not enough for someone who was/is widely scumread). So this is "What about shadi". Does that make sense?

that wasn't the sentiment though, sentiment was superbowl9>shadi1337>datisi and the wagon was still shifted to datisi

so i would think it would be noteworthy to you that you were not eliminated, not solely that shadi1337 wasn't considered if you are town, ya know?

Exactly Exactly Exactly

Idk about your game feel but I thought people were thinking better of me after the whole ari townread thing died off and I was liveposting. If you think I'm scum then who do you think organized the move off me, past shadi and onto datisti?

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I forgot about the conversation

I guess I really just wanted to yeet superbowl but nobody wanted to so I gave up

... I thought it was my powers of charm and rhetoric

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@shadi who would you kill today

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E-2??? *gulp* I'm in trouble...

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Why are you mostly confident that Super Bowl is scum Drew?

VOTE: Superbowl

sell me

Just read their last post, they can't even describe why they town read Ari.....very phony.

This whole interaction with calling Ari town yet felt like extracting teeth getting SB to elaborate why, and even when explained was so so contrived.

As I said here, so phony.

I know that you're a lost cause since I'm the easiest mislim you'll ever be gifted
But istg you did not read the interaction it went:

Me: Slight townlean Ari
Ari: Why?
Me: Feel
Ari: Can you explain
Me: Not really but if I had to its tone
Ari: Can you give me specific posts
Me: Kind of ignores the point of everything i said but here's my best try

AHA he's making up townreads!!! SCUM

Can you also lmk what is the benefit of scum me fabricating a townread on Ari?

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Why are you defending me bell?

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Because we’re masons obviously.

Shhhh I have to throw them off our trail somehow

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I laughed at that drew

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I like SB this game

I appreciate the support of every loyal fan! <3

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I love superbowl and he's town I was just kidding the whole time!

Wow you too Drew? I cant believe the outpouring of support!

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at this point of the game i'm not aiming to kill anyone idt, just see where the flow goes until we're closer to round end

???? So you see no scum in the game after 50 pages

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I think superbowl is maf

This is the second time dunnstral has defended superbowl by attacking the scumcase, not because dunnstral thinks superbowl is town

STD >10 word post challenge (completed)

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VOTE: std

spicy move/

I would sheep but idk it just feels a bit hollow. Like usually I don't talk about pressure on someone because as soon as you talk about it it takes away all effectiveness, I dw kill discussion and I think katya echoed this but like... shadi needs to die today.

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Not wanting to kill discussion

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Jesus.
Really
Wording.

Please lim me over the fact I used the same wording as dunn.
It’s not a sin. I tend to adapt peoples language mid game it’s a personality thing

RAHHHHHH LIM LIM LIM WE NEED BLOOD

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put ur money where your mouth is

Omg I was gonna say the same thing earlier

Does this mean I'm scum too?

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at this point of the game i'm not aiming to kill anyone idt, just see where the flow goes until we're closer to round end

???? So you see no scum in the game after 50 pages

Not at all what I’ve been trying to say but seeing no strong reads is not unusual for me. And sometimes it’s about finding town and other times it’s about finding scum to me depending on the game

Nah this has to go

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at this point of the game i'm not aiming to kill anyone idt, just see where the flow goes until we're closer to round end

???? So you see no scum in the game after 50 pages

Not at all what I’ve been trying to say but seeing no strong reads is not unusual for me. And sometimes it’s about finding town and other times it’s about finding scum to me depending on the game

Nah this has to go

Would scum really make a post like shadi did?

They ain't some noob.

How do you suggest we sort someone who's not scumhunting and wants to kill no one

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Uh, man, if datisi is aggressive I must be a bulldog on a leash with no shot at being muzzled then…

Malalion ROAR

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Three years I wore a mask, three years I hid in the shadows. But finally, covid got me.
That fucker.

Rip get well soon!

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Gonna be posting less probably mental health stuff

Shadi is teflon apparently so

VOTE: Dr. Drew

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my biggest hangup with superbowl is that he doesnt sound like he's eager to kill anyone

but then again like nobody is so shrug

?????????????????
I have been demanding shadi blood for days but it's shouting into the void
Which doesn't make me enthusiastic to case drew for the 5th time either

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Some of his reads are bullshit

I'll let this slide because I like you
And glad you're feeling better!

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KILL SHADI

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Good enough?

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RAHHHHHH LIM LIM LIM WE NEED BLOOD

I can repost this too

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Good enough?

I think the passion is missing tbh

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eh

VOTE: superbowl

Booooooooooo

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And i don’t have the time or conviction to strong arm a wagon elsewhere

I vibe with superbowl like, not really seeming to have any passion to survive here at least

No see im booing you

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im still wanting superbowl

Wait ~5 months you'll get it

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I'm a mason so
Can we kill shadi now please?