mystery box of silver 15: i'm killing hostages (negotiated)

[SirCakez]

Actually no VOTE: Ranger come on now she is obviously scum

[SirCakez]

Fuck I kinda want to vote xyzzy too this is brutal

[HighPrincessErinys]

Just come and play the waiting game with me.

[MUSHSHAGANA]

Highly recommend waiting on a dinger. It's not that big a deal if we don't, but its just writing off an entire category of mod-provided game information.

[Dannflor]

Let’s wait

Also just in general I think we should breathe a bit

Even if sheep is red, rolling into lim after lim deprived us of some information

And I don’t want to walk into an endgame that is harder than it seems

[MUSHSHAGANA]

Let’s wait

Also just in general I think we should breathe a bit

Even if sheep is red, rolling into lim after lim deprived us of some information

And I don’t want to walk into an endgame that is harder than it seems

I fully expect ELo to actually be a loss. I expect scum to have a vig.

[Dannflor]

We can influence schadd too

schadd, sheepsaysmeep is pretty transparently in his scum meta, he often limps along as scum or if he does effort, tends to fall off hard after an initial burst of effort. Even considering a lack of time, his pop ins have been focused on blending in rather than trying to do any work on the game. I am comparing this to xyzzy, who has at least tried digging their teeth into part of the game and taking a stance

[Dannflor]

I also think if sheep was town who couldn’t get into the game, they wouldn’t continually promise to “do something” in an attempt to stay alive. They would either A. Do a little something even if it’s not much, or B. Apologize and confess that they don’t have time to do something

[Dannflor]

Also, Bulge wasn’t killed for voting scum

I doubt schadd is taking read accuracy pre flip into account

[sheepsaysmeep]

We can influence schadd too

schadd, sheepsaysmeep is pretty transparently in his scum meta, he often limps along as scum or if he does effort, tends to fall off hard after an initial burst of effort. Even considering a lack of time, his pop ins have been focused on blending in rather than trying to do any work on the game. I am comparing this to xyzzy, who has at least tried digging their teeth into part of the game and taking a stance

I also think if sheep was town who couldn’t get into the game, they wouldn’t continually promise to “do something” in an attempt to stay alive. They would either A. Do a little something even if it’s not much, or B. Apologize and confess that they don’t have time to do something

is this real

[sheepsaysmeep]

I find it so weirdly bs that it's maybe scummy

[MUSHSHAGANA]

We can influence schadd too

schadd, sheepsaysmeep is pretty transparently in his scum meta, he often limps along as scum or if he does effort, tends to fall off hard after an initial burst of effort. Even considering a lack of time, his pop ins have been focused on blending in rather than trying to do any work on the game. I am comparing this to xyzzy, who has at least tried digging their teeth into part of the game and taking a stance

xyzzy's stance was one unexplained assertion tied to a vote. sheep might be low-posting, but xyzzy is even lower-posting, and is coasting in reads from exactly one post. Furthermore, xyzzy is one of the most widely scumread players and has been from jump. Which makes it suspicious he's survived some Edman homers when happy bit one after making a serious effort to engage with others. Bad claim, sure, but let's be honest: his activity backed the claim up even prior to the flip. I was null-town on his slot after that change, which, since he died, makes xyzzy look especially suspect in my eyes in addition to the lack of meaningful play, the suspicious read-coasting, and the combination of consensus scumreads with no wagon formation.

[MUSHSHAGANA]

I find it so weirdly bs that it's maybe scummy

I'm not townreading you, and think you're a pretty good bet for red, but Dannflor's been derailing consensus on xyzzy, helped derail consensus on BlueSnakelet before Alisae flipped green, and generally comes across like a ratfucking deepwolf to my brain. I don't feel like it's worth pursuing immediately, because he has little to no sway in this town, but he's one of my best bets on deepwolf. I think you two are probably not aligned, FWIW.

[MUSHSHAGANA]

We can influence schadd too

schadd, sheepsaysmeep is pretty transparently in his scum meta, he often limps along as scum or if he does effort, tends to fall off hard after an initial burst of effort. Even considering a lack of time, his pop ins have been focused on blending in rather than trying to do any work on the game. I am comparing this to xyzzy, who has at least tried digging their teeth into part of the game and taking a stance

xyzzy's stance was one unexplained assertion tied to a vote. sheep might be low-posting, but xyzzy is even lower-posting, and is coasting in reads from exactly one post. Furthermore, xyzzy is one of the most widely scumread players and has been from jump. Which makes it suspicious they've survived some Edman homers when happy bit one after making a serious effort to engage with others. Bad claim, sure, but let's be honest: his activity backed the claim up even prior to the flip. I was null-town on his slot after that change, which, since he died, makes xyzzy look especially suspect in my eyes in addition to the lack of meaningful play, the suspicious read-coasting, and the combination of consensus scumreads with no wagon formation.

I also just realized I flubbed pronouns in the mech tag -- sentence rewrites are the death of my ability to gender people correctly in text, I swear.

[MUSHSHAGANA]

We can influence schadd too

schadd, sheepsaysmeep is pretty transparently in his scum meta, he often limps along as scum or if he does effort, tends to fall off hard after an initial burst of effort. Even considering a lack of time, his pop ins have been focused on blending in rather than trying to do any work on the game. I am comparing this to xyzzy, who has at least tried digging their teeth into part of the game and taking a stance

xyzzy's stance was one unexplained assertion tied to a vote. sheep might be low-posting, but xyzzy is even lower-posting, and is coasting in reads from exactly one post. Furthermore, xyzzy is one of the most widely scumread players and has been from jump. Which makes it suspicious they've survived some Edman homers when happy bit one after making a serious effort to engage with others. Bad claim, sure, but let's be honest: his activity backed the claim up even prior to the flip. I was null-town on his slot after that change, which, since he died, makes xyzzy look especially suspect in my eyes in addition to the lack of meaningful play, the suspicious read-coasting, and the combination of consensus scumreads with no wagon formation.

I also just realized I flubbed pronouns in the mech tag -- sentence rewrites are the death of my ability to gender people correctly in text, I swear.

[Dannflor]

I’m sorry what

I helped derail consensus on bluesnake?

[Dannflor]

I think xyzzy can be scum too!

I just don’t feel it as much as with sheep

[Dannflor]

Either of them can get homered please

[MUSHSHAGANA]

Fuck my memory. I remembered you wallposting on Snakelet and went to grab it. You were definitely disrupting consensus -- but it was townread consensus. WOW. Sorry about that! I should maybe take a break.

[sheepsaysmeep]

how confident are you that your understanding of my meta is good

[sheepsaysmeep]

or what is it based on

[Ranger]

It's not because scum WILL die, or even that scum dying would matter. It's that it sheds light on WHY the prior dingers hit the people they did. Would schadd_ have preferred to hit much uglier scum slots, or are all the scum efforting, meaning limming in the lowposter pool is a bad idea? That unlocks the earlier dinger kills as something we can parse through meaningfully, instead of asking empty questions about. It helps us sort.

Forgive my lack of confidence behind the "let's wait for a kill, and glean some magical info from it" approach.

Historically, games usually don’t go well for people relying on it.

Just know when schadd kills a town slot we

weren't

going to eliminate; perhaps acknowledge the flaws in your plan I pointed out before hindsight.

schadd is not reliable. He is killing slots I'd never kill. When he inevitably does so

again

, and it isn’t on scum. Well, you get what you ask for.

[Dannflor]

how confident are you that your understanding of my meta is good

I mostly made it up

I think I’ve only seen you as scum lol

but i still just think you are scummy off of vibes and I would like schadd to be persuaded similarly if schadd is choosing someone to kill soon

[DkKoba]

we got francis

[DkKoba]

gg go next VOTE: sheep