In post 2366, DkKoba wrote:
hey reminder that when something seems too good to be true for too little cost, it probably is.
look at this role PM why it is so dumb that people are just accepting mech stuff because its easy to say "yes" and do it when the flavor of an MLM probably means that if you dont reach a "goal" by X point something bad happens probably and Aureal gets all the benefits, just like a real MLM:
In post 7519, RadiantCowbells wrote:
The prayers of many have reached Sanae Kochiya in their dying moments, bolstering her power and fueling her ascension to godhood.
As her power waxes she reaches her 13th prayer and creates a miracle, ascending to divinity and winning the game for her team.
In post 2361, Aureal wrote:
Also, I did have a reason for saying KKFC should use his other neighborhood. Doesn't have to go though with a full recruitment, but he definitely should open it. Maybe with DE or Snivy?
Do you wanna SAY what is the reason? Aside from locking us away from being recruited by Theta?
It doesn't lock anything of the sort, and if he uses it on you or Snivy like I suggested then you aren't people who want the full recruitment at this point anyway because that bars you from using your own night actions. I just want him to open the neighborhood, and I'll explain after.
In post 2332, Aureal wrote:
Sad but not entirely unexpected. KKFC should definitely hit someone else with a neighborhood before we end the day. At some point people can try to confirm that Bingle can't receive the Amway abilities, doesn't necessarily have to be today.
Fun how Aureal, despite crusading hard for her role to be a large chain to maximize the amount of powers people who are not Aureal get, seems to be entirely fine with just going wide here.
Yeah.
This reminds me of something but I will make a separate post for it.
Really, please just stop fucking agreeing with every obvious lie Bingle comes up with. I've given multiple suggestions for what to do at this point and the only thing I'm adamant needs to happen is KKFC opening a second neighborhood, and suggested it be with PEOPLE WHO SHOULD NOT BE RECRUITED TO AMWAY RIGHT NOW which would leave KKFC with no power yet today. Nor have I ever "crusaded hard" for any particular configuration- what I have done is ASK PEOPLE FOR INPUT ON IT only to get nothing but vile slander.
"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
-furtiveglance
do other recruits retain the abilities and can they continue to recruit if you are dead?
Do people who are dead still count as recruits?
I also want to know what is happening in the hood, if you discussed reads with Anix (especially your reads on each other)
Yes, yes, and very little. AniX and I exchanged a couple points on our suspicion of DE and a bit about our abilities before the massclaim, not much else of note. I asked him to vig me tomorrow, he hasn't reacted.
"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
-furtiveglance
In post 2380, Aureal wrote:
Really, please just stop fucking agreeing with every obvious lie Bingle comes up with. I've given multiple suggestions for what to do at this point and the only thing I'm adamant needs to happen is KKFC opening a second neighborhood, and suggested it be with PEOPLE WHO SHOULD NOT BE RECRUITED TO AMWAY RIGHT NOW which would leave KKFC with no power yet today. Nor have I ever "crusaded hard" for any particular configuration- what I have done is ASK PEOPLE FOR INPUT ON IT only to get nothing but vile slander.
IDK, I do remember you saying something about how we should listen to you because you want to have SEVEN FUCKING VIGS. Or something of this manner.
Also, do you realize that it sounds weird that "you just want him to open the neighborhood and you will explain after"?
Like I don't think you are necessarily scum but you keep saying weird things like that and it is weird. I'd expect you to at least say something like "There's actually another hidden part of my role which I feel it is imperative is not known to scum, but it involves KKFC neighborizing you" or something.
But you haven't said that so yeah it does feel weird (about the same level of weird as my "Ranger should I fake claim" probably, because that was actually fucking weird of me)
do other recruits retain the abilities and can they continue to recruit if you are dead?
Do people who are dead still count as recruits?
I also want to know what is happening in the hood, if you discussed reads with Anix (especially your reads on each other)
Yes, yes, and very little. AniX and I exchanged a couple points on our suspicion of DE and a bit about our abilities before the massclaim, not much else of note. I asked him to vig me tomorrow, he hasn't reacted.
In post 2377, DkKoba wrote:
why is cook mafia other than the circular confbias i have seen going on
i was an original cook scumreader who had actual reasons and those reasons dont really apply anymore so lets hear it
Here:
In post 2290, DragonEater70 wrote:
Cook ISO!
Let me preface by saying I looked for and couldn't find and scum!Cook game in the last 2 years. But then I also suck at looking for people's games in general.
I did however look at two of their town games and honestly I got the impression that they have the type of personality I tend to scumread regardless of alignment, so I will try to balance against that when judging their ISO here.
if i am missing your name you haven’t posted recently or i straight up forgot you existed
On reread I realized that this is not even a readlist but a ranking of players based on how much "impact" they did. What even is the purpose of this? slightly +scum
In post 683, Cook wrote:
drew wagon is… a choice? little concerned on how fast it came together. scum lubricated the wheels no doubt
oh well, i will participate VOTE: Doctor Drew
I really want to know why you are sure scum lubricated the wheels, but more importantly why you voted there anyway.
In post 716, Cook wrote:
cannot decide if drewposting is +town or -town
This is a weird sequence of posts (there's also 2 unrelated posts in the middle) and doesn't feel natural to me.
Spoiler: HUGE WALLPOST by Cook
In post 1029, Cook wrote:
first off. fuck internet. i lost my entire scumcase. i blame zor.
theta has not produced content outside of the context of her role, which she seems to be alluding a lot to despite by her admission it being unable to clear anyone or be generally positive utility
In post 208, Theta Alpine wrote:
i should also mention that no
my role does not let me use an ability as a cop based on if people claim something happened to them or not
nor do i directly get information from using the ability either to use the ability as a cop
i have the desperate modifier though is what i will say
just on an ability where it just
is very much negative utility to be desperate
i can think of one use case where it is positive utility to be desperate with this ability and that use case is preserved if i get turned into a miller so
i mean other then being able to use the power on ranger but honestly being able to beneficially use this ability on more then one person would be nice
why do you care about being a miller. what sort of disloyal dayvig power do you get. i don’t know why we’re letting her get away with coasting like this.
In post 279, Theta Alpine wrote:
there are no rules on any mechanic not existing except for any factions beyond town and mafia
post restrictions are thus possible
however if we assume each of the listmods went with a theme and only one of them did post restrictions
that is still only a max of four post restriction roles if all of them got picked which is not a massive amount
and then there is me with effectively vanilla town unless i get turned into a miller somehow
like really
even if i am somehow recruited by scum my ability continues to not really be useful for my wincon in that event
so i do think there are a few negative utility roles out there probably
again, here’s theta not offering anything. multiple people have softed negative utility. here you are making a loose claim because you saw an opportunity to get free cred by claiming neg utility role.
In post 282, Theta Alpine wrote:
there is a role besides something giving me miller that would also make my ability very interesting and useful actually
but i will have to wait and see if that role exists
i thought of a second role that would make my ability useful
hmm
theta, again, not producing content, commenting about her role. this does not advance gamestate. unless she’s got like something that’s gonna kill scum and she claims it i’m gonna push for a theta kill.
we can consider a massclaim day 1 as there is a potential for a gamebreaking strategy for town
my role would not be part of it but
i think i would advocate for a mass softclaim right now and if we feel like we might have the potential to break the game from that then we can continue into a full claim
i will state again that i do not believe my ability would contribute to a gamebreaking combination though
it is more of insurance at best assuming i could actually use it on town
ranger pocket much? “ooh look here’s someone posting like strong town lemme get behind her and hope nobody figures out” hmm.
In post 375, Aureal wrote:
Hey if we're considering mass claiming, how about mass claiming the color of our role PM?
I do not think it's ethical to openly talk about mod communication.
directly quoting is a no-no
talking about formatting i think is fine especially in a game like this where it might actually be useful and should also be expected i think to be variable within a single alignment and thus not usable as a direct alignment check
but it does indicate something else
admittedly this is also probably the center of a towncase for theta but. that’s boring. i think theta knows about more role pms than her own and that’s where this is coming from. or on the townside it’s actually trying to be helpful. i think you know what my stance is.
In post 1019, Theta Alpine wrote:
wait do i have distinct town and scum metas as theta
cause that would be news to me
on the one hand i do agree this seems like scum drew
then again anix and std doing their spat might have been keeping people from getting engaged
lukewarm take and a left field take respectively. the town does not generally seem to like drew. theta wants to do townie things to get townread. easy take.
i think std-anix is t/t. nothing has spoken to me otherwise. i think this is trying to point to a different pair to save scumbuddies tbh
honestly i am fine being limmed given my role is not exactly useful without external factors coming into play
and even then its usefulness is somewhat limited i think
this is something i just straight up don’t like. it’s scummy to just give up and say “yeah whatever lim me it’s okay :pleading_face:”. i used to be a victim of this impression that i shouldn’t care about getting limmed if i’m “really” town. the opposite is true. if you are town,
do not lie down.
fight fight fight. scum sense your weakness and are pushing for your mislim. it’s a free kill for them and they get a turn to aim the cannon right afterwards.
so yeah. theta has contributed nothing and pretends to have content by referring to a role that she admits has low utility.
IDK why I don't like this post, I guess I just feel it's so boring to read. I really don't know if it's AI though but it does stand out to me as like, a huge post where it feels like words for the sake of words almost.
In post 1261, Cook wrote:
VOTE: Ranger cause theta just isn't worth limming claimwise
Is a weird vote.
In post 1262, Cook wrote:
im also just bored of wagoning theta lmao
Could be townie, but doesn't explain the switch to Ranger.
Is horrible and opportunistic in the context of just having townread PC and then retracting the townclaim when they saw 3-4 other people rapidly voting PC because PC refused to claim. PC is fucking locktown dude. You don't retract townreads on a locktown because of their refusal to claim.
just realized and i have no basis for this idea being of any merit or not
there were
no
guarantees on any mechanic or anything existing or not aside from 4:13 alignment ratio
In post 2103, Cook wrote:
our role pm's could be straight up lies
These two posts could easily come from a town mindset. But I don't think it's impossible to fake either. And also indicates that Cook was basically not scumhunting at this point but rather thinking about mech. Which is not necessarily AI, but like, we were trying to get away from mech and back into scumhunting, right?
In post 2283, Cook wrote:
i’m convinced amway is a mafia recruitment power and you’re all theatering with each other
Again a post that could easily come from a legitemately uninformed mindset but could also be faked.
Overall I feel the scumminess much outweighs the towniness and my own bias. Also I'm willing to ignore my own bias because town leader (Ranger) also scumreads Cook and I trust her to be less biased on Cook's personality (though IDK if this trust is justified)
With that, I think I am ready to vote Cook, because as much as I still think Ircher is the most obvious scumplayer here, I don't see any appetite for an Ircher vote.
I will vote Cook in a few hours because after I have a nice stroll outside and a shower, because these ISOs are really long to make and I seriously need to take some time off to relax.
In post 2386, DkKoba wrote:
im not losing to another stupid "trust me !! " role that is designed to win the game off townies being like "ooh mech shiny"
Look you might be right but do you think scum!Aureal is this bad at the game?
In post 2384, DkKoba wrote:
all aureal cares about is a) survival b) getting people to use her ability
yall fucking blind
Not blind but I have a gutfeeling on town!Aureal and I will definitely vote her tomorrow if Cook flips any color other than
MAFIA
.
or we can NOT vote cook ?
But Cook is scummyyyy
In post 2391, DkKoba wrote:
ya and is aureal town that cook attacking aureal is like scummy
Who said anything about Cook Attacking Aureal?
In post 2392, DkKoba wrote:
like i share the exact same stance that aureal's role is like transparently being used in a super pockety way
yeah honestly idk I feel this game needs a flip and I'm also willing to flip Aureal but Cook is like as bad and Ranger is unmovably on Cook and I'm not known to be able to lead town, unlike Ranger, so I just sheep.
BTW I probably sound flip-floppy as fuck about Aureal but it's because she's like just so damn annoying to sort. Like one second she sounds like frustrated town and then she pulls this "I will explain later so please do this thing that sounds really anti-town".
