Mini 2308 | Blood over Utopia | Utopia fell.

[Merlyn]

Maybe I don't understand the mechanics of this game but why is no one dying at night?

No, you're not misunderstanding, we don't know why. The prevailing idea is that they need to get enough money to spend to do it (a billboard of their own basically) but we don't know for sure.

[Merlyn]

So I've been thinking about inquiry. I think the fact that it is there means we are being mislead about something and it's worrying. Not sure what it could be

if inquiry were more specific I'd be down to go for it, but even if we get a 'yes, there was a lie', I don't know how it helps us when we have no way to no what the lie was.

[Flavor Leaf]

@Merlyn - we essentially always go Recount/Sacrifice today because we spent yesterday to make our Recount able to be trustworthy today.

[Merlyn]

"I was told by scum...that something is scummy...when I personally did it as town...but now that YOU'RE doing it it's scummy."

I don't think it's an unreasonable point even though it came from scum and obviously plenty of other people in that game thought it reasonable too, because I very nearly got miseliminated there. And I think the way you brought it up out of absolutely nothing as a gotcha was a lot more suspicious than what I had said.

How was torture a bad thing that has led to bad things for us? If FL is out for the day that's just the worst thing that could have happened to town?

?????

You don't think that conftown being restricted in what they can do would be a bad thing?

On that note, Leaf you should vote for someone because lacking a vote might be the effect of the torture.

The fact that it came from someone with an agenda, against a townperson who was doing it, ought to suggest it's not a great strategy of scumcatching, but I won't argue it further. What you said felt very gotcha-y to me, so I felt like gotcha-ing you back.

I think FL has a very powerful voice in this game and that he's also been on both wrong wagons (here I go pointing it out again!), so I think town could have survived even if he got muffled. You were kind of overstating the it all with the 'I just KNEW that TERRRIBLE THINGS would happen'.

[Flavor Leaf]

to be fair, i dont really care if im right or wrong day 1 and 2, it's really about clearing up the waters with slots who are scummy and a hindrance.

[Flavor Leaf]

and now look. We know im town, and we know scum were totally okay with the wagons I was pushing.

I'll go back Day 1 to analyze, but I think Infinity and Marcistar both flipping town is actually pretty good stuff to look back into.

[Flavor Leaf]

and with 4 scum, we're always going to have a hard time fading them early game, but once one flips it starts to get momentum rolling.

[Merlyn]

I think i got poisoned.

I received something saying that ‘i am feeling terribly unwell.”

To be clear, this isn't related to the Torture flavor in 2169 is it?

i dont think so

it looks like a poisoner.

I know you can't quote from it, but can you explain what's making you think that vs the fact that you were tortured? Have you asked the mod about it in case he'll say?

[Flavor Leaf]

Scum have a tendency to play up towards me or straight challenge me, and i generally can read it over time, but yeah, im gonna do some analysis in a bit, maybe tonight.

[Merlyn]

Enchant came into the torture room trying to get Devil voted, by the way, and go against the plan.

Everyone else cooperated with the plan besides Cakez who didn’t show up

I also thought we were doing Recount/Sacrifice today.

All true, but Enchant didn't try even one bit to convince others to vote with them- they only posted twice, and one was the vote. What's the scum benefit to sticking out like this? FL said something to the effect in the hood that Enchant could be town but that he didn't think the way they were playing was very town like, and I do kind of get this bc they've been a bit terse, but I think the fact that they pointed out a genuine hiccup in recount that gains scum nothing for pointing out is kind of big.

i didnt like their end of the day yesterday either.

Idc Enchant's alignment for the sacrifice, tbh. if they're town, cool, they give us an extra 20k.

I'm also probably on my deathbed here, so give me that dying wish please.

I...guess? We don't have a lot of extra town deaths to spare, right? I won't fight the Enchant thing if the town is feeling mixed emotions or flat out thinks they're leaning scum. Is that the case? I'm asking others to share their thoughts- I'm not sure where anyone but FL and I stand right now.

[Flavor Leaf]

my thoughts are Enchant town lose the game for us anyways, so damage control

[Merlyn]

Enchant came into the torture room trying to get Devil voted, by the way, and go against the plan.

Everyone else cooperated with the plan besides Cakez who didn’t show up

I also thought we were doing Recount/Sacrifice today.

All true, but Enchant didn't try even one bit to convince others to vote with them- they only posted twice, and one was the vote. What's the scum benefit to sticking out like this? FL said something to the effect in the hood that Enchant could be town but that he didn't think the way they were playing was very town like, and I do kind of get this bc they've been a bit terse, but I think the fact that they pointed out a genuine hiccup in recount that gains scum nothing for pointing out is kind of big.

I disagree. ScumEnchant likes to point out flaws in things I come up with, and that gives them satisfaction.

If anything, I think it's scummier of them to do so.

LOL, and also do you have a game you can point me to read?

[Merlyn]

VOTE: aureal

[Flavor Leaf]

Enchant came into the torture room trying to get Devil voted, by the way, and go against the plan.

Everyone else cooperated with the plan besides Cakez who didn’t show up

I also thought we were doing Recount/Sacrifice today.

All true, but Enchant didn't try even one bit to convince others to vote with them- they only posted twice, and one was the vote. What's the scum benefit to sticking out like this? FL said something to the effect in the hood that Enchant could be town but that he didn't think the way they were playing was very town like, and I do kind of get this bc they've been a bit terse, but I think the fact that they pointed out a genuine hiccup in recount that gains scum nothing for pointing out is kind of big.

I disagree. ScumEnchant likes to point out flaws in things I come up with, and that gives them satisfaction.

If anything, I think it's scummier of them to do so.

LOL, and also do you have a game you can point me to read?

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[Flavor Leaf]

"Let's just say we played game of fools.

I proved you are one, yet i still lose."

i did like this quote by Enchant, though. I'm the King of Fools.

[Hu Tao]

I think i got poisoned.

I received something saying that ‘i am feeling terribly unwell.”

VOTE: SirCakez
HURT: Recount

Told you guys torture's flavor was bad. I'm guessing Leaf can't participate today.

Am I looking too much into this or is this a TMI situation where she knew something we didn't?

[Hu Tao]

Enchant came into the torture room trying to get Devil voted, by the way, and go against the plan.

Everyone else cooperated with the plan besides Cakez who didn’t show up

I also thought we were doing Recount/Sacrifice today.

Enchant not cooperating with you was a shocker

[Flavor Leaf]

Yeah, Aureal’s probably scum here.

And the fact they’ve been town spewing me all along is like TMI I was town.

[Flavor Leaf]

Enchant came into the torture room trying to get Devil voted, by the way, and go against the plan.

Everyone else cooperated with the plan besides Cakez who didn’t show up

I also thought we were doing Recount/Sacrifice today.

Enchant not cooperating with you was a shocker

They’re obsessed with me, idk what to do about it but put on a show.

It’s hurting their play too, i know they can do well.

[Flavor Leaf]

For what it’s worth, I’m like 65% enchant town, 35% scum.

But i do believe a scum enchant would be able to play into that here.

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: Enchantilada

I'm fine with this. I think Aureal might be suspect too based on what I just posted. But I could be wrong on that

[Hu Tao]

Enchant came into the torture room trying to get Devil voted, by the way, and go against the plan.

Everyone else cooperated with the plan besides Cakez who didn’t show up

I also thought we were doing Recount/Sacrifice today.

All true, but Enchant didn't try even one bit to convince others to vote with them- they only posted twice, and one was the vote. What's the scum benefit to sticking out like this? FL said something to the effect in the hood that Enchant could be town but that he didn't think the way they were playing was very town like, and I do kind of get this bc they've been a bit terse, but I think the fact that they pointed out a genuine hiccup in recount that gains scum nothing for pointing out is kind of big.

i didnt like their end of the day yesterday either.

Idc Enchant's alignment for the sacrifice, tbh. if they're town, cool, they give us an extra 20k.

I'm also probably on my deathbed here, so give me that dying wish please.

[Hu Tao]

Maybe I don't understand the mechanics of this game but why is no one dying at night?

No, you're not misunderstanding, we don't know why. The prevailing idea is that they need to get enough money to spend to do it (a billboard of their own basically) but we don't know for sure.

Okay thanks. Thought I was missing something

[Flavor Leaf]

I have got confirmation that my not doweling well was not from being tortured.

[Flavor Leaf]

Doing* well