Micro 1089: the coalition, again [game over]

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no! but 170 pages is a lot for a micro

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ah shit you're right it would be 1 less page if i hadn't posted

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how do you know that

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You should read every Isis post

someone: she must have a least a 2 page iso, maybe even 3

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i know 400 pages is a lot for a micro
most of them are descriptions of the moors sorry lol

i think the main important game relevant places if you want to backread would be:
- heathcliff's iso
- chapter 10, which is where the coalition got solidified
- how cathy + others played d1 elimination phase (start of it is chapter 15, when heathcliff and cathy meet at thrushcross grange)
- how linton got elimmed (sorry to do you dirty like this sheep lol)

if this post is serious i can't decipher it lol

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locktown posts tbh

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so far skitt's sr on fire feels a bit like she's wrestling with herself to justify it rather than knowing it's correct

i actually do townread isis but i'm impossibly biased and i think it would be funny if she was like "i told you i was scum with skitt" at the end of the game

why are people voting tris

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@fire was there anyone else who could be scum who was widely townread early?

your points don't seem to be very Occam's razor-y

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i appreciate this game

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I appreciate infinity

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i actually do townread isis but i'm impossibly biased and i think it would be funny if she was like "i told you i was scum with skitt" at the end of the game

is it scummy that isis didn't respond to this

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</3

probably won't get to this too deeply until friday

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wow

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that is not a lot of time I will probably go into hyper solving mode in a couple hours

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tris feels towny on this page tbh

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Last post before vla

The momma was sitting in the bird nest right by my door formed in the nest over my across the hall apartment neighbor's door. The bird seemed really natural and real and reminded me of fireisredsir.

Fireisredsir is kinda townie in this page for staring a fact or the matter emperor's new clothes kinda read in the bulge bc most of us have not raised it bc we are town and me and one other person didn't raise it cause we are less likely to see it as scum. It's just a really good read.

I think doubling down that Shea should also be seeing what she's seeing in Bulge's choices furthers how town indicative is because if you want for emperor's new tailor type towncred youd wanna just cautiously see if you get any cred rather than double down on a take that might be as unique as your role pm color.

Wrt to me overreacting to not being townread it's kind of a twisted aspect of the setup. I can't lim anyone. I can only push a coalition that includes me and one that excludes me. I think I'm bad at mafia enough that fmpov all 8*7*6*5 coalitions that include me are better than all the ones that exclude me just from knowing there's a town slot. So I think id agree I'm only softly bottom-slot-in-game but the setup makes that a frustrating position

Alright I gtg

I hope I don't post again

mmm isis scumpost :(

maybe shea pushing at her and wanting to be in the coalition makes her more likely to want to try to look town but i do think this is a "want to try to look town" post

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well i agree that fire is town

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someone accused shea of being defeatest ( i think skitter) and ill just idly wonder aloud what she'd say about ari preemptively excluding herself from the BITSH coal that she proposed. to stoke up some drama

i imagine that ari doesn't expect to be in the coalition for the same reason that i do, and tbqh i would find it suspicious if she was campaigning to be in it

for shea it was more the existential defeatism abt not getting in in 291 that struck me as off; i don't know why he thinks that he wouldn't be able to get in in this pl

i don't really view ari/shea to be the same at all

ok i kinda get why people like hellbooks here

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Hellbooks hasn't rly said anything game related and I feel like comfort meming in thread most powerfully clears a slot when it's like dovetailing and alternating with content, even minimal content

there's been some content interspersed a bit, i think
but i was just kinda thinking something similar, that like 90% of her content is vibing and that it's making my spidey sense tingle how she's just ~being~ here without really doing much
but i did just misread her (and misflipped her) for this exact reason
so i don't think i can really call her for scum for it rn

but she maybe isn't really townie enuf to be in my coalition tho
HURT: hellbooks

pedit i dont' know right now, maybe fire

like this isn't how scum treats a partner who's coasting right

i feel like she'd either bus books or go along with tr'ing her

maybe my view of scumplay is too simplistic but this feels right

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she was so earnest about it though

who is scum fire

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why is isis town

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unfortunately i dont have the heart for hypersolving atm and i don't have too much time between now and deadline :(

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well yeah thats what i mean

if she's scum then she knows it's very likely true that town will win

oh i just realized this was at me, i just believe that she thinks it's a good thing that town will win

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is tris's page 80 really towny? i really want it to be

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hi can you explain some reads you have

i think i've decided tris's curiosity about what she'd look like as scum in 1983 feels genuine

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you're currently voting tris :/

it did say in my role pm that i win when the mafia are dead

pedit: from what i've seen of isis/skitt interactions they seem about the level of believable that i'd expect from good scumpartners

i didn't think too much about what scum would be trying to accomplish with those posts cause i'm not good at that

quoting stuff that sticks out to you would help

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oops sorry

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i think we'd be totally justified in not giving 100% this game

unfortunately that's not really how we're wired

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when do I receive my townreads for not trying to seem towny. I am getting impatient

lmao

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i want to believe aristeia correctly townread isis

i want to too but part of the reason was 797 and isis had the most beautiful reason ever to townread a scumbuddy in silent star 3

also part of the reason was cause it looked like she wasn't trying to pocket skitt which yeah

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Prism made me learn how to do the "reflective stepback" because she was tired of watching me be a one trick pony when I roll scum.

lol everyone is just scumclaiming now

ok maybe I lied about giving 100%

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but she still townread isis formly once skitter was scum

o kayy I'll keep reading

I seem more confident than I am that isis is scum it just makes the most sense to me

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Skitter and shea and trying to talk through our differences right now while the rest of you sit there chanting *BLOOD BLOOD BLOOD BLOOD*

well ok but more like everyone is off frolicking in the meme zone

i know shea and skitt are not the most meme-happy players esp shea i hope he had an ok experience this game

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at least one of those is faking believing a post from hellbooks of all people imo

eh?

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that was a nudging "eh"

tbh the way isis is like "yeah hmm skitt might not be town" so soon after the coal is making me doubt

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I think I should get town cred for finding the mental fortitude to post actual solving thoughts in this game after the mets lost to the yankees yesterday.

You're still bothering to follow the Mets? I not only gave up on them this year, I decided that instead of getting my daughter a Mets onesie to counteract the Yankees onesie my brother in law got, I bought her more Star Wars stuff because none of the Star Wars universe is as dark as the season the Mets are having

i went to a sox mets game recently and it was recently enough that many people probably gave up on the mets but i guess not the people that go to the away game

they were drowning out our chants and it was kinda embarrassing tbh

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shea is being really good at the game around this point in my reread

right now he's voting tris though and i hope he changes his mind cause im tempted to deadsheep him

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tbh the way isis is like "yeah hmm skitt might not be town" so soon after the coal is making me doubt

not only this but she's defending tris when people seeming to be coming to "tris or skitt is scum"

i have 10 minutes before my computer blocks come on aah i'll skip ahead

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VOTE: fire

maybe a terrible idea but this is who i think is mostly likely to be scum atp

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free advice to any scums out there. if you want me to slowly lose faith in my townread on someone that you want my help yeeting, just ask me to justify it

lmao i definitely read this before i asked fire to explain town-isis i'm just trying to expand the limpool

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VOTE: tris ok this is optimal

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did a workaround to make sure my vote went through. the vote on you was just, my reason to townread you (skitt's push on you didn't feel like the mindset of a scummbuddy push) are weaker than my reasons to townread the other slots (skitt/isis and skitt/hellbooks didn't feel s/s). maybe my reasons to tr tris were weaker but i really like her posting. then i realized the way to maximize chances of hitting scum today involved voting someone who has a chance of being limmed (cause otherwise i could be limmed) (didn't realize it was hammer but even more true)

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i wanted to try to solve the game rather than try to convince someone i'm town, unfortunately i think i'll have to try to convince someone i'm town. hopefully i got a good start at least

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why is hellbooks alive >_>

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Fireisredsir is kinda townie in this page for staring a fact or the matter emperr's new clothes kinda read in the bulge bc most of us have not raised it bc we are town and me and one other person didn't raise it cause we are less likely to see it as scum. It's just a really good read.

I think doubling down that Shea should also be seeing what she's seeing in Bulge's choices furthers how town indicative is because if you want for emperor's new tailor type towncred youd wanna just cautiously see if you get any cred rather than double down on a take that might be as unique as your role pm color.

i hate doing this because isis is dead but fire didn't bring up the bulge read himself really. like it doesn't seem that hard to go "yeah i agree this slot that isn't doing much actually is kinda scummy" as scum. and it is beneficial to scum, less so in this setup but still. pushing shea on it is towny yes

he also started pushing skitt like 1 post after shea did

idk i probably wouldn't believe this if there was an actually scummy slot in this game

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2 days left

probably prefer a tris yeet

partly bc i don't think i care about skitter's read there since it's a gamestate one based on suspicion of the sheepshea team which i dont really agree on

it's a possible world where that's just a town skitter misreading tris. there are notes of the stubbornness there

it's also possible it's a scum skitter white knighting tris. i guess an argument for this would be that she isn't really pushing much for eliminating the people she thinks are scum so she's kinda doing the willy wonka "nooo don't elim trissss" thing where she doesn't actually really care that much

i might be convinced by that argument actually idk

mm ok this doesn't look great

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I kind of think if skitter is mafia the partner is fire but I'm not even sure we'll get a red flip here so I'm going to just nod and pretend I know what I'm doing

ok here's someone i can deadsheep to justify my fake opinion

i do think 3291 reads a bit like "if y'all are so undecided why did you have to decide on my scumbuddy"

pedit: datisi is threadspewed scum

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I kind of think if skitter is mafia the partner is fire but I'm not even sure we'll get a red flip here so I'm going to just nod and pretend I know what I'm doing

I was thinking something similar.

!!

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a hellbooks post is like a beautiful song written in a language i don't speak

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its probably because my scum partner skitter is in danger of being limmed and im panicking

i think fire played a beautiful scumgame and was betrayed a bit by his emotions

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it feels like a hedging post scum would make when they're not sure whether or not they have to bus

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i didn't ignore that! but it's too hedgy for me to give you credit

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like "why did you have to decide on my scumbuddy" applies maybe even more so if you realized you had to bus

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like "why did you have to decide on my scumbuddy" applies maybe even more so if you realized you had to bus

i guess maybe i don't understand what you mean by that

hm it's a bit more nuanced than i thought

does anyone have any strong reasons that they prefer one over the other or are we all just kinda in undecided limbo

feels like you are trying to pull people out of that limbo. but you don't have a strong opinion of which direction to go in yourself. idk it feels weird. it feels like the emotion of someone who is watching their scumbuddy get run up by people who are like "ehh idk kinda prefer this" and you are frustrated by that

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i worded that badly. i don't think you are trying to pull people out of limbo but i think you want them to be out of limbo

pedit: who could you have pocketed

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ifnitnity who would you have killed

probably you, if i'm scum here i probably begrudgingly accept you're not getting limmed

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patient high school tutor voice: ok so we have two people who said they'd kill hellbooks. meanwhile hellbooks would kill isis. and hellbooks is still alive, while isis is not. so what does that mean?

lmao

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fire idk. like maybe you could've pocketed isis but isis has been a ball of chaotic energy this whole game. i felt like you moving towards isis at the same time as me could've been trying to pocket me, but it does seem like a bad strategy to try to pocket the player you've never played with before and just replaced in. nevertheless i did read an "oh whoa what" into 4453

like if you're town here we're confbiasing already and arguing with us probably makes us more entrenched in our opinions. especially when you're like "i would never do this as scum" i think shea is probably right that that is scummy. what would convince us is a good narrative of why hellbooks does what she does as scum this game. and i know that's difficult that's why i'm leaning towards you

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i think there's a little smudge on the screen? ogh... i dont have my spectacles with me...

i dont get this

asking people to explain jokes triggers my social anxiety

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i tend to view towniness/scumminess on a sliding scale, before that point it was hellbooks>tris>fire>isis but then isis suddenly jumped up a few spots. and i needed to make a quick decision

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i don't really believe you think that post was scummy unfortunately :(

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i guess i'm wondering what you were expecting from town!me there who had 3 minutes to decide on who to vote. maybe you didn't understand the urgency at the time or the sliding scale reads thing but like it's a vote how scummy can it be

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i think scum is a lot more likely to be jarred that they are my biggest scumread suddenly than town is

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most of my scumhunting is based on the idea that players would struggle to do something as scum

i don't know how to say "scum would play the game like x" with any sort of confidence

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fire do you think skitt was trying to stay alive? it feels weird to me to have her rallying for a wagon on sheep and meanwhile her partner is just sitting there bussing. idk

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She said to do sheep if she flipped and it looks like a lot of us are like "yup she had some points lets do it"

townpost

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If skitter was still alive shed probably be like "hm im getting some real scum ping from sheep"

Spoiler: scumping

Subject: Micro 1052: Lake Melancholy [END]

Also dwlee's reaction to my scumping makes me more sus of them

What is scumping?

You had some posts that pinged me as scummy for vague, inarticutable reasons

Oh I read that as a verb lmao

im gonna scump the shit out of this game lmao

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ehehe beautiful i didnt even get a pedit

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this game is too beautiful to be mad over

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skitt was more eager to put books in the coal than fire

skitt was more eager to put books in the fire than coal

there that makes more sense

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yes in this case skitt is scum who is sabotaging us by burning books instead of fueling our fire

ok i'll quote haha

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no i townread shea

my coalition rn is tris/hellbooks/shea

I wouldnt support a coalition with shea rn
The rest looks good

HURT: all
HEAL: tris, sheep, thestatusquo, skitter, fireisredsir

i don't really want this hammered rn but it is my current favorite coalition

im wavering on ari and isis which makes me hesitant bc it's probably not just bulge/hellbooks (that is, it could be, but i don't want to assume it is bc easy answer usually wrong etc) and so im not really convinced that im not misreading someone in tris/sheep/skitter

I don't think i support this coalition rn

what if I promise im town

well it's the cumulative effect of u and fire

Oh i'm counting the names and realized i was missing hellbooks

I wouldnt put her in either rn; i don't know who my fifth should be >.>

Maybe something like
Hellbooks
Sheep
Fire
Bulge

If i had to rank

sheepsaysmeep [5]: sheepsaysmeep, fireisredsir, tris, skitter30, Thestatusquo
fireisredsir [5]: tris, sheepsaysmeep, Thestatusquo, skitter30, fireisredsir
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Aristeia [5]: Thestatusquo, fireisredsir, skitter30, tris, Isis
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The Bulge [5]: The Bulge, tris, Thestatusquo, Isis, sheepsaysmeep
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Isis [5]: The Bulge, tris, Thestatusquo, Aristeia, fireisredsir
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tris [5]: sheepsaysmeep, tris, hellbooks, fireisredsir, skitter30
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Thestatusquo [5]: The Bulge, tris, Thestatusquo, fireisredsir, skitter30
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skitter30 [3]: skitter30, tris, Aristeia
hellbooks [1]: tris

am i like grossly misreading fire here >.>
i'm kinda wary abt putting fire in but i think he's in litereally every option

bizarrely reviewing these i think i probably like sheep/fire's or tsq's the best

Tris/me/shea

I want ari

I will begrudgingly compromise on the bulge for reasons stated

I would then go:
Sheep
Isis
Fire
Hellbooks

oh well.

I will agree to the following coalition:

Me Tris Skitter Ari and Fire.

And then we can argue about which of ari or fire is scum later.

I think there is certainly scum in {hellbooks isis sheep}

I'm just saying right now if this fails (and i think it will) that i think it's fire

idk i think i'm confbiasing. but i think if fire is town skitt is pretty cool with not going against the grain whereas if hellbooks is her partner she can just be like "whoa why are we putting hellbooks in the coal she's indecipherable and has done nothing town"

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i think for the most part skitter followed a pretty parallel trajectory with hellbooks as she did on isis (and was part of why i started to get suspicious of isis last day phase)

where she started out townreading her and being okay with being pushed out herself while hellbooks was consensus town, but then once the early vibes wore off and people started suspecting hellbooks, skitter started losing her townread, and then eventually when skitter was consensus town she wasn't ever considering any coalitions that had hellbooks in them (that i remember)

ah i kind of was assuming that skitt was always consensus town


i think 1902 is close to considering a coal with hellbooks in it. i guess i'm not really sure why you put hellbooks high up on a list like that as her scumpartner, if hellbooks suddenly picks up momentum as a coal member then she either has to accept it or do a strange pivot away from it.

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skitt also stops really pushing fire after the coal goes through. thing is, she was away for a bit, then she starts to receive pressure, so no matter fire's alignment it's maybe best to step away from a push like that if she thinks it won't catch.

the problem is, i don't get why she kept pushing for town!fire to be left out of the coal to begin with? like there's false associative wine or whatever, but it's not like pushing fire still gets on shea's good side around 2063, and it's not like she was using her read on fire to get townreads or whatever.

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or put me in and then bus me. i feel obligated to point out that this would probably be her strategy if scum with me there.

it's funny, for a bit she was like "shea can you vote fire tomorrow if he's in the coal and it fails" and i reconsidered my stance for a bit

maybe i have too simplistic of a view of scumplay but good scum players usually say to bus less

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and tbh it worked because it did make me heavily suspect people who were in the coalition with her.

why? wouldn't she want to leave her scumbuddy out?

i don't think much of anything is tragic for scum!hellbooks here given that i am likely to vote you and win her the game

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i am a little bit embarrassed that fire is telling me "actually scum would play like this" and is probably right given that i have likely played 3x the amount of forum mafia games that he has

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fire's page 143 is fascinating to me but i can't figure out what it means

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i don't think much of anything is tragic for scum!hellbooks here given that i am likely to vote you and win her the game

if you do get to a point where you are going to vote me i think i would prefer if you let me vote first, and i can decide which way i'm leaning. if you're town. if you're scum then you can go ahead and vote lol

it's pretty rare for me to want this given that usually i am content with letting other people make decisions but i think that if hellbooks is scum then she pretty much always wins if she just stalls on voting, but there's a chance that she does lose if me and her cross, bc then i have her alignment confirmed and i can finally read her posts without shielding my eyes, and maybe seeing the light is enough and you see it too

and that possibility is tantalizing enough to me that i would like at least a chance at considering if i want to go that direction. or alternatively if i am leaning towards you being scum then i will just vote you and it's no difference

ohhh i get what you're trying to do but yeah sure!

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i was confused by scum!you's play this dayphase, mostly because i think you'd be trying to snow me but you're not really doing that much to actually snow me. in this case i think you didn't want to make it obvious you knew i was town, and the snowing will probably start once you vote. the thing is, if isis survived the night i was ready to be like "isis look a how town i am!!!" right away so i think i wouldn't even have scumread you for that haha. there are still some things i'm confused about, like why you're not angling towards voting me, and why you're not doing more to try to look like you're solving. generally if wine is the only reason something is false i tend to assume it's true though

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i actually am really curious why all the things you're saying you would have done differently as scum are wrong! i just don't think i should weight them very much

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i think if you're scum here you were just put in a tough spot when i replaced in! replacements suck etc

pedit: yeah that makes sense i'll try to talk about you less too it's just hard to hold in thoughts

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in your last few posts it sounds like you are relatively confident, is that more due to just not seeing hellbooks as scum or is it due to actively finding me scummy? if it's the latter then what specific points are the things that you feel the most convinced by?

haha you should've asked earlier, now i'm less confident!

the most convincing thing to me is how skitt kept poking and prodding about you being left out of the coalition. and there's also a lot of small things that add up to being pretty convincing, like you playing weirdly around the skitt wagon and the "oh wait what" post. i also think all the nk'ed townies would have wanted to lim you over hellbooks here but i have to make sure on isis. a large portion is also hellbooks not making sense as scum

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its kind of wild (not strictly impluasible or anything just like "wow, i could never do that") when infinity reads this post and in 5 minutes is able to synthesize an understanding of it fitting into a scumfire narrative instead of just staring slack jawed and uncomprehending at it for the same amount of time like i did

it was less that i synthesized a narrative around it and more that it answered the question "why is scum!fire not doing more to snow me" which was already bouncing around in my head

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tbh probably the highest win% play is for me to just lean into it and play like how i would if i were scum because i definitely have a higher rate of getting voted as town than i do as scum, and im generally a lot better at elos as scum

but i think deep down i really want to believe that if i am just honest and true enough to myself that someone will see it and recognize it and know that im town

unfortunately even deeper down i think i know that's probably not true

i think the game of mafia is sort of a reflection of reality in that way and maybe thats why i keep playing it

*hugs* i get it! usually i'm a lot more sr'ed as town than scum

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are we buying our hgfps from the same supplier fire

whats an hgfp

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maybe this is what you were talking about earlier but can you elaborate on why the poking and prodding thing makes me scum

yeah it's what i said earlier, i don't think skitt feels the need to try to leave you out of the coal if you're town.

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isis was flipflopping on you the whole game iirc. but i hadn't read the part d2 when she was pushing you hardest

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ohh I get it the reason you were angling hellbooks is because you thought I was less confident than I am. boring tbh

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I actually don't think it's clear isis wasn't considering hellbooks haha, 4229 is the closest thing but sometimes isis posts are confusing and I want her to explicitly state it

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wellll after I expressed my confidence and hellbooks expressed perhaps wanting to vote me you are now going "hmmm maybe hellbooks is scum" it doesn't seem like a stretch to me

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right but you could've voted me if I had maximum confidence?

idk maybe it's the hellbooks 60/40 post that did it and not that but this feels like strange timing to me

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wellll after I expressed my confidence and hellbooks expressed perhaps wanting to vote me you are now going "hmmm maybe hellbooks is scum" it doesn't seem like a stretch to me

is this what you meant to say or are you misreading somewhere

it's very possible I am misreading and/or sleep deprived

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ohh I did mistype the part in quotes is supposed to say "hmmm maybe

infinity

is scum" ok I'll come back to this game tomorrow lmao

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ok yea i mean that's fair but still i don't see why it would have anything to do with your confidence

level 0 you would want to vote me if I'm 100% confident you're scum. the "wait for me to vote first" makes that a bit weird, but there's nothing stopping you from just voting me anyway.

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I'm nervous about this game

talking to hellbooks would help

hellbooks do you like indie pop

what is going on in your avatar is it breastfeeding

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actually it's time to convince myself hellbooks is scum

the first reason is that I can really easily imagine her going muahaha post game after I misvote

maybe the plan was to bus skitt the whole time. it's still a bit hard to imagine skitt just going "yep that sounds great" especially when people are going to wonder why hellbooks is alive afterwards. but people didn't wonder that and maybe that wouldn't be too hard to predict

if I really stretch I could see the "idk who scum is but I know it's skitt!!" as informed

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sorry hellbooks if I'm ignoring all the other reads you did have

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hm I wonder how I could have deduced that

unfortunately I'm not very good at talking about out of game stuff

i like be sweet by Japanese breakfast. I've been listening to chappell roan and Annie dirusso and stuff like that lately

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fire as your lawyer i advise you to remain silent for the time being because if you start making a point infinity might be like "ok well you saying that as soon as i start to consider hellbooks scum is literally so opportunistic"

>_> is that what I sound like

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hellbooks are you good at scum

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yeah it's the last thing you said

maybe another reason is that skitt is really good at scum and would know to leave false associatives cause she knew she would get limmed early on.

idk I feel like that happened mostly a result of really good shea play and was difficult to predict

ohh maybe part of the reason skitt was wringing her hands is because she wanted to find a 5th coal member she could push a mislim on? wouldn't she just push for someone in particular though? ugh

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im pretty sure hellbooks in her current self hasn't ever had to play scum

ahaha that is beautiful

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I guess I just feel like skitt would have more of a plan than...well letting hellbooks bus her and coast on the cred

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i walk up to site admin "um.... sorry.... can i have access to maflesbian for a second.... sorry... i just want to check if the colors for a post im gonna make are readable on it"
the mods turn to look towards the wings where the mafiascum lesbian advisory group is whispering amongst themselves, a few of them cast disgusted glances in my direction. overwhelmed by this frosty reception i turn tail and flee without even waiting for a verdict, ears drooping in dejection

<3

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fire I'm not sure why you ever thought hellbooks was scum here? like I know you've said my posts are towny, but I think that just shouldn't be good enough at this point, and you keep struggling to come up with a narrative that makes sense for scum!books. I guess you're also struggling to come up with a narrative for scum!me but I don't really get your thought process

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should we just elim brassherald now so we don't all get snowed by poppy

oops

who's poppy

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hehe I am poppy (✿◕‿◕)

-sonya

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idk but I play young pyromancer

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hellbooks are you sure you like explaining jokes?

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like, really sure?

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ok. explain 2857

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I think shea would be the most likely to get a snake out of the locker room in this game but I would probably be the one to do it if no one else would

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now I'm just imagining an interactive horror game set on the internet and all the text slowly changed into "If there was a snake in the locker room who would be most likely to get it out?? Would it be you?????"

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yes I am reading the post for the first time after I asked you to explain it there's no rule against watching a movie and the director's cut at the same time

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dethy is like mafia sudoku

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beautiful. I wish I could become a mafia socialist

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hellbooks I'm gonna do something are you ready? make sure you're ready.

i town

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unrelated do you ever listen to a song and go woww this is so good let me listen to more from the same artist and nothing else. comes close

that happened to me with Maude latour - one more weekend

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I guess one more reason why hellbooks could be scum is that I think fire could've maybe pushed her earlier. and then in elo they would have a "see I told you so thing"

and also her posting towniness in bursts is easier to fake than long extended emotion and analysis. she did it when skitt was starting to be in danger. sheep gave her townpoints for it because she put it in a spoiler but ehhh i think it's +scum still

I don't buy it. i just wish I had isis's confidence

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24% phone battery and 4.5 hours on my drive zzz

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I'm too infatuated by individual songs to listen to albums very much

pedit: yeahh and that's possibly a reason why snake!hellbooks is hiding in plain sight here. what did Shea say about hellbooks

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ugh yeah. what does the last bit mean

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what did you mean by it. like shea was almost always town and that's the most likely reason what

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i think its kind of a universal reason that could apply to anyone

arguably actually i probably took the most advantage of the vacant snake-yeeting space by being the one to step up and be like "okay we're limming sheep"

deeply resisting the urge to self meta explain why i wouldn't want to do that but yeah idk im town. i guess maybe it does actually tilt slightly towards hellbooks scum over your slot because with everyone a little apathetic we're maybe more likely to default to the somewhat lurky afk slot in brass

well I know you wouldn't want to do that but you were at e-2

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I don't necessarily think shea was nk'ed for his reads but I want to deadsheep him so that I don't have to take responsibility

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mmhm

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pretty accurate lol I do think shea would be more undecided though

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ahaha right

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I'm gonna spend a day or so away from this game (if I can) and if I come back and feel the same way I'll probably be ready to vote

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fire are you demoralized?

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also i'm wondering what part of the game mostly you're looking at to make your decision

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:(

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i value your thoughts, whether or not they're useful or correct (or scum in this case)

if you're scum here i'm really impressed by how your posts ooze earnestness

i hope you don't think that if you show more of an effort in thread i will just call you scum for it

pedit: 1 sec

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you know, the truth is i kinda don't. i do find 2857 very towny. i also find the follow up of "why isn't skitter answering me" very anti-aligned (though i could construe a thing where skitt ignores her to look anti-partnered? idk). i think if hellbooks is scum she would probably be doing more to push the gamestate in her preferred direction, i think if she's scum here she has a strange amount of sereneness to not fret that people will not worried why she is still alive or why she isn't posting more content. i guess i see that hellbooks could be scum, but i don't see many reasons in the thread to believe that it is the case.

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i get it <3

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To the person who said that bulge could be scum with anybody (i think fire) i would say sure but also its not as if his iso is an utter information wasteland in fact we have 1) 3-4 scum reads and an ordered list of townreads and 2) his lack of this hot new sorting strategy that has taken the site by storm that people are calling "thread control"

not to get all wuthering heights about it but the bulge's singular and glaring absence from all of this has somehow captivates my mind as if his ghostly absence was speaking louder than any other player in the game. That is all to say ive considered healing him without any attached explanation like maybe 15+ times

this is towny though right

idk i feel like whenever hellbooks posts content it's just towny. or maybe i'm just captivated by the performance

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i guess me hiding game relevant questions within this block of text made skitter very easily say "ok i didnt get any of that so im just going to move on". but sheep was like "well i got it" which did a good job at reassuring me that i wasnt being obtuse to a counterproductive extent

i guess this was a big thing that felt genuine to me

yeah. i mean i can see the narrative where hellbooks is scum this game. and she haunts me a little bit. but ultimately "she could be scum" isn't good enough for me and most of the things i read point in the other direction

maybe i should read some more meta. idk in the traitor game she felt so different that i stopped reading cause idk if it's even relevant. i don't like reading meta

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i have probably spent the most time looking at the early part and the ending part of coalition forming phase

oh uh, what are you getting from this? i think i've reached the conclusion that skitt could kinda do anything if she was teamed with hellbooks (or my slot) cause we were never getting into the coal

maybe i should look at the early part more

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i guess maybe my original point wasn't super accurate now that ive more thoroughly fact checked but it was what it felt like from memory. and i still think she at least definitely didn't play it in a way that pushed for town coalitions, and the absence of that helps scum

right but is town!hellbooks ever actually going to do this

esp once it looked like skitt was a lock

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i thought you wanted to vote first though?

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fortunately i have the secret third option

idk i don't really think i'll find you as town here unfortunately

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why not

there's too many little things. there's the emotional stuff which i may even be weighing your "i wouldn't have trouble concealing genuine emotions", idk scum just mess up sometimes. there's the posting around the skitter elim and the "oh wait what" post and on day 3 you felt a bit "ok lets get this over with" and now you feel demoralized.

i also think when you got wagoned and started pushing sheep on d2 felt very opportunistic. and afterwards you were still so sure sheep was the correct lim which feels weird for someone who had to convince themself of it at the time

skitt also just kept pushing for you to not be in the coalition

and also it's what almost all of the dead townies would think in my spot.

sometimes i think that the emotional stuff i'm picking up on is too small and i'm confbiasing myself but the whole thing feels grounded in facts and outside opinions in a way where. if you're town i think there was a confluence of coincidences that led me to the wrong opinion that i think i'll look back and say "yeah i probably made the right decision"

buuut i'm not quite ready to vote lemme look at a couple more things

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i did that kinda as a joke and then after i posted it i realized you were gonna explain the whole thing seriously and i considered saying no you don't have to. but then i realized you would enjoy it and i would enjoy it and there's now a beautiful commentary on a beautiful post

i get too nervous people will say i am pocketing i should just submit this

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i talked about the oh wait what post

the "let's get this over with" is...a bit difficult to explain but i guess i think you care about winning enough that you would want to get it over with in the right direction! trying to explain why you wouldn't feel the same way as scum is difficult i just think it's different when you're informed.

i don't think you'd be demoralized here as town because you said you weren't demoralized. and unless you're confident i'm town you shouldn't be that demoralized as town here

there are a bunch of things you've posted this day phase that would make me feel bad for voting you. and i don't think that's what town!you actually wants so unless you're coming off way different than you intend i don't think you'd actually be posting those things as town

pedit: i don't think that is factually true and i talked about this

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hmm. maybe you are correct but i do feel like my emotions are being appealed to

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who is scum hellbooks

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Spoiler: skitt pushing for fire to be outside the coal

I think ari and fire are most likely to be scum.

this is convenient because I kind of think you and fire are the scum team so if the three of us are in the fun car together than we can win if either of us are right!

this is my thought too

why?

it's more 227 than 242 alone; 227 feels like scum who are annoyed they're being sr for a wrong/bad/silly reason

that just seems like normal fire behavior to me

idk it rubbed me the wrong way
i'm right now mentally debating if shea/fire makes sense as scum theater
i'm leaning towards no but i sr both so this poses a problem

probably just leave both out of the coalition

like I'm lowkey tempted to let you pick 3 more names to go with you/shea. I'll sheep your choices no matter what and then if the coalition fails I get to murder you both.

i'm not following, isn't it better to just keep them both out ?

well the way I'm seeing it is

maybe I'm right and fire/shea r both scum, in which case putting them in coalition and yeeting them both if coalition fails is a win and putting them outside is also a win

maybe i'm wrong and fire/shea are both town, in which case putting them in coalition might cause an auto win which is nice but maybe some scum get in with them and we misyeet them but thats on them for picking scum to go with them.

I'm p sure there's at least a scum in the pair so i don't think i'd support them both getting in

i am not the one picking the coalition unilaterally why are you framing it as if i am

Tbf i think at this stage it's more of a hypothetical approach than an actual one; i don't think it's actually happening

The point is that u don't seem super comfortable.with it in theory either

I've been thinking about fire/shea as 0/1/2 scum and I don't think I can be confident declaring like there must be one scum between the two of them, it feels like a 0 or 2 situation to me.

I'm not convinced it's a duality?
The pair feels v off to me and i think there (at least one) someone in the pair who isnt town

I'm not sure i see 0-2 as the only options

if its just one which one do you think is more likely?

Right now leaning towards fire

HURT: all
HEAL: tris, sheep, thestatusquo, skitter, fireisredsir

i don't really want this hammered rn but it is my current favorite coalition

im wavering on ari and isis which makes me hesitant bc it's probably not just bulge/hellbooks (that is, it could be, but i don't want to assume it is bc easy answer usually wrong etc) and so im not really convinced that im not misreading someone in tris/sheep/skitter

I don't think i support this coalition rn

what if I promise im town

well it's the cumulative effect of u and fire

sheepsaysmeep [5]: sheepsaysmeep, fireisredsir, tris, skitter30, Thestatusquo
fireisredsir [5]: tris, sheepsaysmeep, Thestatusquo, skitter30, fireisredsir
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Aristeia [5]: Thestatusquo, fireisredsir, skitter30, tris, Isis
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The Bulge [5]: The Bulge, tris, Thestatusquo, Isis, sheepsaysmeep
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Isis [5]: The Bulge, tris, Thestatusquo, Aristeia, fireisredsir
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tris [5]: sheepsaysmeep, tris, hellbooks, fireisredsir, skitter30
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Thestatusquo [5]: The Bulge, tris, Thestatusquo, fireisredsir, skitter30
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skitter30 [3]: skitter30, tris, Aristeia
hellbooks [1]: tris

am i like grossly misreading fire here >.>
i'm kinda wary abt putting fire in but i think he's in litereally every option

bizarrely reviewing these i think i probably like sheep/fire's or tsq's the best

Tris/me/shea

I want ari

I will begrudgingly compromise on the bulge for reasons stated

I would then go:
Sheep
Isis
Fire
Hellbooks

I agree with the top 3.

I don't want ari.

I want fire.

Can you walk me through why you don't?

I still think that the you/ari/fire thing wasnt all town; something feels icky to me there
But I think ari is town (i don't think her play here matches what i'd expect scum-her to do, like at all) and i want her in the coalition
I've come around to you being town
Fire i still don't really like how he positioned himself in the you/ari thing, and i didnt really like his response to ari trying to see if he was willing to act on his stated worldview

tempted to call skitter scummy for not understanding why i didn't like ari's suggestion but also remembering that last game she as town thought i was scum for lacking conviction so maybe she just has a misunderstanding idk

Maybe i have no idea how to read you but this is what i feel rn

I will agree to the following coalition:

Me Tris Skitter Ari and Fire.

And then we can argue about which of ari or fire is scum later.

I think there is certainly scum in {hellbooks isis sheep}

I'm just saying right now if this fails (and i think it will) that i think it's fire

i also think the scumread feels forced which is more likely as a scumpartner than knowing you are town which i originally thought. if you are town there is no reason to force the read really

i think you convinced me that skitt didn't need to do much if scum with hellbooks because hellbooks wasn't really ever going to be in the coal. but i think she was happy with hellbooks in the coal at most point lmk if you want quotes

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hm yeah i just think that skitt was pretty widely townread from pretty early but that's something i have to reread

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oh you mean at 787?

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ok i will reread

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maybe the plan was to put hellbooks in the coal and then bus her. but hellbooks didn't particularly seem to be going along with that plan

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yeah

i think that comes at the point where she is just kinda starting to get some townreads

yeah that is one of her first posts after a bunch of people healed her grrr

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that keeps happening to me lol

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I honestly do think skitt's play around the coal makes more sense as a hellbooks partner than a fire partner.

her "what have I even done to look town" post feels revealing

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i have a confession to make

my gut says that hellbooks is scum here

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if there was a rat in the locker room who would be most likely to get it out

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hmm snakes eat rats

hellbooks doesn't seem like the deepwolf type. maybe she's a deepsnake

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i still think there is a very small chance i feel confident hellbooks is scum this game can someone else vote

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ok here's where i'm at

i actually think hellbooks makes quite a bit of sense as a skitt partner? like it's not the first thing that comes to mind, but "play up our playstyle differences to seem as unaligned as possible" makes a lot of sense as a scum strategy, especially in a setup that lends itself to bussing. the only thing i really would've done differently in a skittbooks world is to try to get hellbooks into the coalition and then bus her, rather than the other way around, but skitt pretty clearly tried to get hellbooks into the coalition and only stopped when it was pretty clear that's not how the game was going. and then there's 2857. i do want to believe that it's a townpost, but it seems to me that it would take the same impressive level of craft to write that post as town as it would to write it as scum, which kinda leaves me wondering what i am actually townreading the post for? there's some solid but wishy-washy analysis on shea, and some questioning of skitt which lean more on the side of feeling informed than trying to figure out her alignment:

Did you agree to putting sheep in the coal knowing that you'd vote him if the coal lost?

When you asked me why I was lasering you, did you ask because you were afraid of the laser?

If we swap fire for ari and then don't win would you be willing to consider limming ari?

and the whole sequence afterwards feels strange to me. in 3205 the part at skitter is again hidden, and in general it doesn't really feel that hellbooks really wants an answer despite following up on it multiple times. and i'm not sure those are the types of questions hellbooks really even gains that much from having skitter answer, so the whole thing seems to fall into the category of "trying to seem unaligned" more than trying to sort skitter.

i think the towniest thing to me about fire is that their iso is beautifully messy in a way that town isos tend to be. earlier i was very suspicious of the sequence around the skitter elim. first fire starts questioning/pushing skitt right after shea expressed suspicion there:

She's still talking to me like she thinks I'm town the whole time which is very different from how she talked to me early day 1 when we were disagreeing. Like drastically different.

skitter it feels like you scumread shea and sheep and isis and me which of those is wrong

it feels like you don't want to give up any ground towards any of those names which is like, idk, kinda questionable imo as a town approach?

it doesn't feel like you're trying to sort the slots you're just maintaining your scumreads bc you know you'll need them later

obviously not all of those are scum but it feels like every time you engage with any of those slots you're just like "well i think they're not town so"

then they back off and are more hedgy:

2 days left

probably prefer a tris yeet

partly bc i don't think i care about skitter's read there since it's a gamestate one based on suspicion of the sheepshea team which i dont really agree on

it's a possible world where that's just a town skitter misreading tris. there are notes of the stubbornness there

it's also possible it's a scum skitter white knighting tris. i guess an argument for this would be that she isn't really pushing much for eliminating the people she thinks are scum so she's kinda doing the willy wonka "nooo don't elim trissss" thing where she doesn't actually really care that much

i might be convinced by that argument actually idk

tbh the main reason i am hesitating to vote skitter is bc i pushed for her lim last game cause i thought her posting wasn't up to her town standard and then she ended up being just town who was busy

that doesn't mean she can't be scum who is also just busy here but idk some aspects do feel similar

its probably because my scum partner skitter is in danger of being limmed and im panicking

i just don't get what this is supposed to accomplish if fire is scum? if they were waiting for shea to turn on skitt to bus, why do they walk it back in a strange way that is almost certain to make them look bad when skitt flips? the only reason i can think of is that they weren't expecting skitt to be pushed, so they got worried and made a bunch of terrible-looking posts, but i just think fire!scum plans better than that and is more confident they can carry than that.

and they just have content that just feels genuine in a "idk it's what i got lol" kinda way. see 1641 (feels like his townread on shea is biasing this in a towny way), 1837, 3253 (esp the part about hellbooks haha), 4280. 4132 just feels very believable from the way they've played this whole game. they don't really feel like they came into elo with a plan, if they're scum it's more like they're trying shit to see what works but idk why they do that instead of voting me and hoping they actually can convince hellbooks since i seemed pretty convinced already

idk i feel like i'm taking all the towny parts from hellbooks's iso and thinking they're scummy now and taking the scummy parts from fire's iso and thinking they're towny now but this is just the narrative that makes the most sense to me atm

at the end of the day, i can much more easily envision

hellbooks, mafia goon

on my screen than

fireisredsir, mafia goon

and that has to count for something right? idk, i'm not confident enough to vote yet, and i sort of felt like i've read everything there is to read (is hellbooks meta actually going to help me here?), so idk i'm sort of stuck in limbo until ~something~ happens or until deadline.

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idk i think looking at the broad strokes of the way this game has developed it seems to point to "scum fire's only plausible path to victory after having been assailed from almost all sides" and fire's method of acknowledging this has been to shrug helplessly and be like "yeah i guess it does look that way but..... im town"

i guess it just...doesn't look that way to me anymore. like "skitt lays down a bunch of false associatives and hellbooks coasts" seems realistic to me where fire's strategy has been "decide to bus and then decide not to bus and then now that skitt is dead come up with an impromptu sheep wagon and then let tris elim go through and hope hellbooks/infinity wins the game for me" (neither of which they could've really predicted)

like honestly it made a more sense to me when i thought it was realistic that fire felt they could win without much trouble. but that's just not the case and i think proactively pushing someone somewhere along the line would've really helped them out, they just didn't do that

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i was thinking she could've killed me cause isis townlocked her but you're banking a lot on her not reconsidering. isis kill leaves more things open i think

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인연

i think it's both very cool and also a little tragic that there are words like this that express an idea where if you try to translate it into english it's missing some. well. je ne sais quoi. and it feels like even if you get close it doesn't quite capture it

it's like even having those words unlocked in your vocabulary helps you conceptualize ideas that you didn't fully appreciate as their own distinct thing before, and helps you see the world a little differently. but so much of that potential is locked away in other languages and we probably won't ever get to experience that understanding and new way of viewing things, and that's the tragic part i guess. it makes me want to learn every language and maybe even pay attention in french class

anyway cool word thanks

mm and that's the word from past lives! very good movie

i feel the reverse of this when i try to translate my internal thought language. i wonder if everyone has an internal thought language like that, or just systems, or just us?

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hellbooks and skitt have the opposite of 인연 which is itself a sort of 인연

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some part of us is still holding out hope that hellbooks is scum and wins

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fire I know you were trying to omgus more this game (against brass and against me) but it really felt like your heart wasn't in it? sometimes it's really valuable to not immediately push back and understand why someone is sr'ing you. but idk I get why you're doing it

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idk give thoughts if you want

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i was hoping to get you to townspew but that's ok ig

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do u think I'm out of my scumrange

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how's everyone doing today

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pretty good I'm recovering from a weird sleep 2 nights ago

trying to avoid working

thinking about voting hellbooks but she's consistently like 40% towny

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can you link your worst scumgame if you have one

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how's everyone doing today

rough monday

:(

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well ok the :( applies regardless

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i wanted to know whether the revealing emotion moments i thought i picked up on earlier appeared there too, and they didn't

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yeah

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ive been doing other stuff. was definitely considering voting hellbooks today too. it's a bit weird cause it's like, what else am i gonna do once you vote, i guess i'll reread some stuff to make sure. definitely uncomfortable with feeling like i'm not confident and won't ever be, but it's where i'm at

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yes! i think. i'm nervous lol

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honestly i feel like you doing this is towny, which should make us more comfortable, but it doesn't. we haven't played in elo much and when we have it hasn't gone well iirc

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i town

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i feel similarly cause like, if you're scum there will be a bunch of people who said i told you so, where that's not the case for hellbooks. the gut feeling that it's books here has just kept growing though

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i realized we're also in library dimension elo

and the results will be the same

satanic books would probably be a pretty big reading disturbance huh

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Code: Select all

[color=#FF00FF][/color]

that allows you to specify a hexcode for the color. with that said i have no idea how hellbooks did that

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hellbooks this is an unfair question but what's the thing that i could (re)read that would be most likely to convince me you're town

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i appreciate you

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footnote six struck me as really truthful and towny but now that I try to post about it its actually 100% postable from the scum win condition with no issues and I guess it's even scummy on average that the post isn't about other things

this is how i feel about the whole post

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ooh fun

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hellbooks being scum and winning this game would be a cool story but it's got nothing on isis being scum and winning this game

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the library dimension is too similar to our dimension i want a new library dimension

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i'm scum with isis

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i agree

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3/2 kitchen finks when kitchen finks enters the battlefield gain 2 life persist

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lets explore the wutheringness of a skitbooks theory where theres a trolley coming towards her and my pre-coal vote is the lever

I don't really understand this post but it's beautiful

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the ongoing games rule should be allowed to be broken only for game-related pms for in-game games

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propositions i have made for this game and their respective statuses

1. complimenting me about the library dimension - unfulfilled. clearly everyone hates this so much its unreal except for maybe tris
2. shea should use vp baltars avatar -

fulfilled!!!!

great success. led to one of the most scary and befuddling moments of mafia history.
3. skitter should use my avatar - un fulfilled. she hated this so much its un real
4. heal and vote same person like how people slap and kiss each other in movies - unfilfilled. everyone hated this a lot to an unreal extent
5. coalition should play a subgame of dethy - havent gotten to that point yet but i just bet youre not gonna do it huh. [extremely pissed off and guilting stare]

very inauspicious. will keep this in mind in the future when trying to get my mislims through . hmph! Bye.

the library dimension is pretty cool

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i think the reason skitt didn't take your avatar is because of your 인연

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I keep remembering to re attribute all of VPBs posts to Shea

And then thinking vbp is scummy because he has egoed but not made any contributions yet. Since I like mentally took them away to gice them to Shea but didn't take them away in the sense of him being part of this game

this post is legitimately super towny

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HELLBOOKS' STRATEGY TO PLAYING THE PERFECT SCUM GAME: the only guide you'll ever need
coming to mafia discussion subforum near you!!!

1. arrive with the loss already engraved in your heart. rid yourself of the desire to "win." reach enlightenment. watch as your scumrange stretches to infinity. remember, the first nightkill any mafia must make is that of their own fear.

2. you should try and intersperse reads and game relevant moments in between spamming lots of fun posts. the former is especially important because otherwise people will become suspicious and they will try to alleviate their suspicion by assigning you "tasks" such as giving your opinion on things or reading peoples isos and coming back with a little book report on it. you want to avoid "tasks" at all costs

3. hope that edman hits some good dingers out there (this step, i admit, is rather case-specific.)

4. ???

5. ehm.... lose to baltar in elo, i guess? idk, i havent rly gotten further than that

ahaha I didn't realize this post was in this game

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i think that isis could talk about how she's scum as scum and you could talk about how you're scum as scum but the two of you would do it in different ways and for very different reasons

maybe those differences are unimportant though

its not the saying she's scum part. that's like a really fun thing to say regardless of alignment. it's that as scum, the perspective of seeing someone and knowing they are town isn't remarkable. its such an inventive combination of thought patterns, that i don't think would occur to her as scum.

tris made some good posts this game

everyone made some good posts this game

pedit hello