Veiled Committee Mafia: List Mods Edition [game over]

[Meuh]

oddly enough aureals role does allow a night one win for town potentially
if we were inclined to get power to three or four vigs and have good coordinated shots
but that would require solving the game that well in the first place at which point deserved

actually i do think we can sort aureal with cooks flip though
since i do not think that is svs with how aureal is being pushed

Yeah but Cook's town so we'll be back at square one

[DkKoba]

oddly enough aureals role does allow a night one win for town potentially
if we were inclined to get power to three or four vigs and have good coordinated shots
but that would require solving the game that well in the first place at which point deserved

actually i do think we can sort aureal with cooks flip though
since i do not think that is svs with how aureal is being pushed

oh this is believable but a n1 scum win isnt' :Joy_cat:

ok lmao

[KatyKimFanClub]

VOTE: Yimmy

[DkKoba]

pretty sure town but not like 100% like the above group:
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KatyKimFanClub
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quote edited to remove other people in same tier of read

i reread myself and i realized i know what ur referring to now and i was kinda having a "manipulate this person by threatening them with a scumread" moment and now i get what ur saying (its not a scumslip btw i just sometimes be like that lol, and fwiw im very careful about how ive come across/my stances as scum moreso than town and actively want to have a clean worldview and all that)

[Meuh]

Actually even if Amway works as advertised, shutting down half of the player list's abilities in a setup with all townies being PRs is probably just bad

I think it's the opposite actually. It will help simplify the game from a mechanics perspective because now we can rule out a portion of the playerbase from particular night actions. That being said, this isn't an argument to keep Aureal around, since all the recruiting has already been accomplished and can continue without her. She can be the only one with a fake Amway role really.

Simplifying it I suppose can make it easier to figure out? But concretely, town powers being used leads to pro-town outcomes, and we're tossing away the opportunity to get these pro-town outcomes by locking players to the Amway.

[DkKoba]

also if powers arent being proven it reduces the power of my own flip, and scum can hide behind not having their previous claim being proven by saying theyre in amway, etc.

[KatyKimFanClub]

i reread myself and i realized i know what ur referring to now and i was kinda having a "manipulate this person by threatening them with a scumread" moment and now i get what ur saying (its not a scumslip btw i just sometimes be like that lol, and fwiw im very careful about how ive come across/my stances as scum moreso than town and actively want to have a clean worldview and all that)

Fair, I didn't actually think it was a slip I'm basically just shitposting from my phone while I'm on the bus.

[Theta Alpine]

oddly enough aureals role does allow a night one win for town potentially
if we were inclined to get power to three or four vigs and have good coordinated shots
but that would require solving the game that well in the first place at which point deserved

actually i do think we can sort aureal with cooks flip though
since i do not think that is svs with how aureal is being pushed

oh this is believable but a n1 scum win isnt' :Joy_cat:

ok lmao

it requires town figuring out all the scum on day one
so yeah i would believe that to be a reasonable prerequisite to a night one win

[KatyKimFanClub]

Actually even if Amway works as advertised, shutting down half of the player list's abilities in a setup with all townies being PRs is probably just bad

I think it's the opposite actually. It will help simplify the game from a mechanics perspective because now we can rule out a portion of the playerbase from particular night actions. That being said, this isn't an argument to keep Aureal around, since all the recruiting has already been accomplished and can continue without her. She can be the only one with a fake Amway role really.

Simplifying it I suppose can make it easier to figure out? But concretely, town powers being used leads to pro-town outcomes, and we're tossing away the opportunity to get these pro-town outcomes by locking players to the Amway.

Has there been anyone who has agreed to be recruited that you think has a strong town ability?

[Theta Alpine]

oddly enough aureals role does allow a night one win for town potentially
if we were inclined to get power to three or four vigs and have good coordinated shots
but that would require solving the game that well in the first place at which point deserved

actually i do think we can sort aureal with cooks flip though
since i do not think that is svs with how aureal is being pushed

Yeah but Cook's town so we'll be back at square one

cook is not town
they have a lot of good posts sure but they are not town

[camelCasedSnivy]

its kind of a hard choice but im fine with sticking with any of the 3 wagons for today

[Meuh]

Actually even if Amway works as advertised, shutting down half of the player list's abilities in a setup with all townies being PRs is probably just bad

I think it's the opposite actually. It will help simplify the game from a mechanics perspective because now we can rule out a portion of the playerbase from particular night actions. That being said, this isn't an argument to keep Aureal around, since all the recruiting has already been accomplished and can continue without her. She can be the only one with a fake Amway role really.

Simplifying it I suppose can make it easier to figure out? But concretely, town powers being used leads to pro-town outcomes, and we're tossing away the opportunity to get these pro-town outcomes by locking players to the Amway.

Has there been anyone who has agreed to be recruited that you think has a strong town ability?

I guess the selection of town players with weak roles to be Amwayd makes the negative impact of it less prominent, that's a fair point

[Meuh]

I wouldn't cry over a Cook lim, but I think Aureal is scummier and a lim there is best for the gamestate, and Klick (now Yimmy) flips scum a lot more often than Cook does

[Theta Alpine]

i tend not to vore slots who have recently replaced out
reason i did not vote your slot when doctor drew repd out

[Theta Alpine]

well that was a mobile typo and a half

[Meuh]

I tend not to vore other players in general tbh
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[Theta Alpine]

t and r why do you have to be right next to each other

but uh yeah i meant vote

[KatyKimFanClub]

I think I need to recalibrate what is going on this game.

Like I've basically been operating this game under the assumption that Koba's case on Aureal wasn't that good, but I guess considering Aureal got to E-1 there were a decent amount of people who agreed (or independently though Aureal was scummy). Honestly I would like to apologize for being a drag on town in a sense bc I definitely haven't been reading a lot of stuff just because it made my eyes glaze (Sorry koba I genuinely do not mean offense, it's just the way things go for me in large games sometimes).

Do scum roles like Aureal's show up often? I do not know enough about forum mafia to know this. This is a game where people can submit pretty crazy roles though. Personally my initial thought during the massclaim was that a MLM scum role was a little on the nose. Like even the arsonist role I was willing to be like "ok this is normally pretty scummy but we are dealing with very different roles here".

[Theta Alpine]

if it was a scum role outright i think it would have a lot more pacing
one recruit a day sort of thing

instead of potentially everyone recruited all on day one

[KatyKimFanClub]

The idea that you (as scum) could recruit someone, take away their role, then kill them and get their followers as passive income is interesting, but after you take away someone's ability, there's not really an incentive to eliminate them unless you think they're cashing out.

[Theta Alpine]

it may have been designed with anything upick in mind
but with the lack of pacing i think it is not going to be a wincon it builds up to

in fact it will probably just remove itself from the equation entirely with some trigger

[Yimmy]

I'm in a hood now

no idea why i multiquoted this. um

You should unvote.

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Tldr : melding over being held accountable for focusing on their role doing things rather than playing mafia

ugh i hate it when i have to discern whether malding is sincere or not. umm i also don't understand what dkkoba is saying. that will come with time hopefully

Also it is extremely disingenuous that aureal is trying to claim role inheriting will remove all recruits, how are you sure of that? Sounds like fearmongering to survive as hard as possible.

this seems like a normal thing to assume? like certainly it maybe isn't true but this seems very uncharitable? somebody should explain aureal's role to me

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Maybe Ofrhz even though I just mentioned them of being scummy (but only if we flip scum today. Don't question this. It's a gut/intuition thing)
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townpost. think scum wouldn't be so panicked about the deadline unless they were unhappy with the current wagon, but in that case i don't really see de really being pushy about anything. just really sorting their thoughts cause they think they have to. can relate. also left that one line in cause it seems like something that specifically would be hard to fake. like a read that doesn't matter at all right now and it's weird gut and don't worry about it

Also, hi Yimmy. You town here?

yes

YES FINALLY

VOTE: Yimmy

feel bad for the slot though :(

why? (do you feel bad but you can explain the vote too)

and also because Meuh was all like "yeah I'll do what you asked Dragon, but I actually have no freaking clue what's the purpose of it but I did it anyway" which doesn't sound very genuine.

I wanted to do it because it sounded enjoyable, could give me stronger reads and was an opportunity to collaborate with you (who I think is town)!
I did have a clue what the purpose of it was, it's when I did it that I ended up unenthused because I didn't get much out of it. This is unsurprising, because not only had I already read the posts (unlike you, who I think hadn't read them yet), but I've been here for less long. Those posts were already like 15% of the ones that had been made since I replaced in and I didn't have held over feelings from earlier in the day, so the exercise of only considering them just wasn't a major shakeup of my perspective. It mostly made me pay more attention to posts I had glanced over, but as it turns out, those posts I glanced over weren't posts I found super AI, so I didn't end up with much new. :/

this is a believable post

But u were fully informed when u made the read list… I was unaware you could get even more informed in that timespan that is my bad

this is a weird post

Koba we townread eachother we mustn't fight we must work together

like you townread the guy... why are you being so uncharitable?

VOTE: Yimmy

why (probably i figure out on reread but tell me anyway)

i reread myself and i realized i know what ur referring to now and i was kinda having a "manipulate this person by threatening them with a scumread" moment and now i get what ur saying (its not a scumslip btw i just sometimes be like that lol, and fwiw im very careful about how ive come across/my stances as scum moreso than town and actively want to have a clean worldview and all that)

Fair, I didn't actually think it was a slip I'm basically just shitposting from my phone while I'm on the bus.

yeah this was a weird interaction on kkfc's end

haven't figured out how i feel about dkkoba yet. i really feel like i should do that soon.
de keeps on emphasizing how paranoid they are. i think that's +town actually.

can someone point me to the massclaim pretty please? i feel like understanding aureal's claim and meuh's claim is important right now

[Yimmy]

not sure if i'll be able to read 20 pages today. game is kinda dense

[Theta Alpine]

meuh is a universal backup
aureal is a non-factional cult

[Theta Alpine]

to vastly oversimplify things on both accounts to an extent