Veiled Committee Mafia: List Mods Edition [game over]

[DragonEater70]

Okay I'm just gonna make a quick readlist based on flips and claims + some things that occured during the night. This readlist is mainly to help myself organize my thoughts but like, feel free to ask me questions about it, and agree/disagree etc.

An asterisk (*) after a player's name indicates the read is sort of "placeholder" and I need to re-evaluate it after doing VCA and ISO diving when I am back from V/LA.

{STD, Ranger}
{CCS*, Political Clout*, Theta}
{Ircher, ofrhz}
{AniX, Skygazer}
{Katy*, Yimmy*}
{Meuh*, Bingle, Cook*}

Katy and Yimmy I don't really have a read on that I can commit to right now (which is why they are asterisked), above them are all town and below them are all scum.

Meuh I think is towny by play but I have a gut scumread on her - this is the opposite of Aureal who was scummy by play but I had a town gutread on.

I thought CCS and PC were good TRs but rn I feel like I wanna re-evaluate my reads on them, because of something someone said regarding them. I'm more confident on CCS than on PC.

Cook is textbook scummy but Aureal's flip into Cook lim is also textbook chain-limming (in a scumsided sense) so I just want to verify my scumread on Cook before I vote there.

[camelCasedSnivy]

wait why is std so high

[camelCasedSnivy]

i have a townread on std just because his role doesnt make sense as scum but other than that he hasnt done much

[Bingle]

There's a single, large problem with the narrative of me being a traitor.

My role is confirmed.

[camelCasedSnivy]

how

[AniX]

Vote DragonEater70

This vote is going to stay the whole day. His role STILL doesn't make any damn sense in the context of the game, he was extremely eager to make himself useless, and he is now either useless or evil team.

Town, you are welcome to join me on this vote and save me a vig kill. Otherwise, I'll be seeing him tonight.

Also STD isn't CLEARED but he didn't target anyone last night.

Can you like, not?

Ugh you're just shooting yourself in the foot if town.

What's your real role then?

[DragonEater70]

wait why is std so high

Oh did I forget to mention I was in a hood with him and Ranger last night?
They're not mech cleared but based on some things that were said I'm 95% sure they are both town.

There's a single, large problem with the narrative of me being a traitor.

My role is confirmed.

Huh. Good point.

UNVOTE: Bingle

[DragonEater70]

Vote DragonEater70

This vote is going to stay the whole day. His role STILL doesn't make any damn sense in the context of the game, he was extremely eager to make himself useless, and he is now either useless or evil team.

Town, you are welcome to join me on this vote and save me a vig kill. Otherwise, I'll be seeing him tonight.

Also STD isn't CLEARED but he didn't target anyone last night.

Can you like, not?

Ugh you're just shooting yourself in the foot if town.

What's your real role then?

Be patient

[DragonEater70]

Did I mention I didn't manage to use it yet?

[DragonEater70]

how

I'm pretty sure they accepted Amway from someone (@whoever someone is, can you like confirm this happened?) but still couldn't neighborize me when they used a recruitment phrase.

[AniX]

You have until the end of the day. As I've been saying the entire time, this is a mech solve game and you better have an absolutely BEAUTIFUL reason to fucking with the town's mech solve (if you are town. Take your time with a second fakeclaim if you're scum)

[DragonEater70]

Do you think it's possible the all/most of scum are just the lurkers?

If both Aureal, theta and Cook are town I'd say it's pretty much required. Most of the people who are being active and solvey are pretty transparently town at this point.

Btw Bingle your thoughts on this now?

[Bingle]

how

I attempted unsuccessfully to recruit both DE and Ircher several days after theta recruited me. In order for me to be traitor, Theta would have to be lying about having brought me into AMWAY or DE would have to be lying about not having been recruited. Both of those are really stupid things for a scum team to use as hard links to protect a traitor.

[Bingle]

Btw Bingle your thoughts on this now?

I still think that scum is in the less active faces.

It's also very likely scum is in the investigation claims, because there's no other sane reason they all survived with no protective roles.

[Bingle]

mainly bingle being rather insistent on wanting to be cleared by me

:/

This is a huge misrep, btw.

What actually happened was me complaining that I COULDN'T be confirmed by Theta.

[Save The Dragons]

VOTE: cook

who wants to talk tonight

[Yimmy]

Vote DragonEater70

This vote is going to stay the whole day. His role STILL doesn't make any damn sense in the context of the game, he was extremely eager to make himself useless, and he is now either useless or evil team.

Town, you are welcome to join me on this vote and save me a vig kill. Otherwise, I'll be seeing him tonight.

Also STD isn't CLEARED but he didn't target anyone last night.

ok this is a super weird push again. the read is pretty much without merit i think, and anix doesn't really have an excuse to completely ignore the death miller flip, considering how he's spoken about the game thus far. weird

koba claimed townie and they'd flip as a random scum

but nobody would be able to verify if they were actually... telling the truth or not?

No, it's pretty simple in this case. Either someone claims a vig shot, or we operate on the assumption that Koba was town.

i don't think i understand. mafia can shoot a traitor?

Vote DragonEater70

This vote is going to stay the whole day. His role STILL doesn't make any damn sense in the context of the game, he was extremely eager to make himself useless, and he is now either useless or evil team.

He told us he lied about his role in the neighborhood, I'm not inclined to disclose how.

Famous pro-town behavior, lying about your role in a massclaim where everyone else is truthful.

why'd you decide everyone else is truthful

oh yeah isn't dragoneater dead weight now

this is vt erasure :cry: :cry: :cry:

Yeah literally all my claim here means is that if Koba turns out to have actually been scum, then I was lying and also am scum
Which is uh not much info actually
Kind of an unfortunate NK for me

nah koba is town actually. claiming to backup his role would be a scumclaim if koba's role wasn't real

koba claimed townie and they'd flip as a random scum

but nobody would be able to verify if they were actually... telling the truth or not?

I don't think so.

I'm also really confused on why scum would kill them since they claimed having utility when they die and they didn't even have a successful Day 1 push.

can you elaborate? do you just mean their d1 push was on town? (cause it kinda succeeded)

dkkoba unfortunately
though i was also interacting with bingle to try and get a read on then in our neighborhood because i kind of suspected that one of those two were power wolfing

dkkoba does investigate as town though i have confirmed that

i can't see bingle powerwolfing? i guess i haven't read most of the game lol but still. not one of the leading voices

Okay I'm just gonna make a quick readlist based on flips and claims + some things that occured during the night. This readlist is mainly to help myself organize my thoughts but like, feel free to ask me questions about it, and agree/disagree etc.

An asterisk (*) after a player's name indicates the read is sort of "placeholder" and I need to re-evaluate it after doing VCA and ISO diving when I am back from V/LA.

{STD, Ranger}
{CCS*, Political Clout*, Theta}
{Ircher, ofrhz}
{AniX, Skygazer}
{Katy*, Yimmy*}
{Meuh*, Bingle, Cook*}

Katy and Yimmy I don't really have a read on that I can commit to right now (which is why they are asterisked), above them are all town and below them are all scum.

Meuh I think is towny by play but I have a gut scumread on her - this is the opposite of Aureal who was scummy by play but I had a town gutread on.

I thought CCS and PC were good TRs but rn I feel like I wanna re-evaluate my reads on them, because of something someone said regarding them. I'm more confident on CCS than on PC.

Cook is textbook scummy but Aureal's flip into Cook lim is also textbook chain-limming (in a scumsided sense) so I just want to verify my scumread on Cook before I vote there.

this has very little correlation with 3571 and i think that should be mostly explained

wait why is std so high

Oh did I forget to mention I was in a hood with him and Ranger last night?
They're not mech cleared but based on some things that were said I'm 95% sure they are both town.

There's a single, large problem with the narrative of me being a traitor.

My role is confirmed.

Huh. Good point.

UNVOTE: Bingle

three person hood?
ok bingle interaction isn't weird because de would be the person to know if the clear went through? if my understanding is right

VOTE: cook

who wants to talk tonight

me

i didn't iso cookie. i probably still should. uuuuggghhhh
the day is young. i'll vote with my heart
VOTE: anix
i could also feel kkfc i think
ok i'm not committing to a cookie iso cause that's boring but i will commit to a (leisurely) proper read of the game from the top. i feel like i don't have a complete picture of anyone's game right now

[Meuh]

Yeah literally all my claim here means is that if Koba turns out to have actually been scum, then I was lying and also am scum
Which is uh not much info actually
Kind of an unfortunate NK for me

nah koba is town actually. claiming to backup his role would be a scumclaim if koba's role wasn't real

*their
I agreed with what you were saying when I first got the role, but a scum!Koba would never actually be fully confirmed as lying. The only way we can know Koba was actually lying is if all scum were to flip and Koba's flip was never corrected. ...but if all scum flip, the game is over
Koba CAN be confirmed to be town whenever we catch the actual scum with that role, but Koba CANNOT be confirmed to be scum because we can't just flip every mafia and then check back afterwards.
So claiming to backup Koba can never be a scumclaim here. NOT claiming to backup a town!Koba would be, however. If Koba and I were both scum, nothing would stop me from fake-claiming the backup here.

[Save The Dragons]

who do you want to talk to yimmy

[AniX]

Vote DragonEater70

This vote is going to stay the whole day. His role STILL doesn't make any damn sense in the context of the game, he was extremely eager to make himself useless, and he is now either useless or evil team.

Town, you are welcome to join me on this vote and save me a vig kill. Otherwise, I'll be seeing him tonight.

Also STD isn't CLEARED but he didn't target anyone last night.

ok this is a super weird push again. the read is pretty much without merit i think, and anix doesn't really have an excuse to completely ignore the death miller flip, considering how he's spoken about the game thus far. weird

In what earth is someone who delayed, delayed, delayed claiming, then claimed a role that was clearly fake, now ADMITS it is clearly fake "pretty much without merit". Like I get if you think there are reasons he might do that and still be town. I would disagree strongly. But without ANY merit whatsoever to suspect him? Come on now. Either he's your scum buddy or you have a post restriction or something where you have to be loudly wrong, your pick.

What reaction specifically am I supposed to have to DKKoba flipping death miller? Yes, that is what they claimed. What more am I supposed to do with it right now?

[Yimmy]

wow I never thought I'd make it this far. no idea how to capitalize on a neighborhood actually. uhhh skygazer

in my defense i wasn't around for the 3 "delayed"s
i do not think the original claim made no sense
idk town fakeclaiming to dodge a nk seems normal in role madness
you could say "maybe de is the traitor! he delayed his claim so that is why he fakeclaimed!" or you could say "bingle is the traitor" which most people is reasonable. i think there are options

[AniX]

Sure. "I think you are wrong about this" or "I think other options make sense" is a fine comment about my push. I'm still going to stick with it, but it is certainly a position a reasonable person could arrive at. But "no merit" is a much stronger argument than that.

Those are certainly possible but I also don't think there is much valuable in reacting with "Wow, he's a death miller. The traitor could be any of this laundry list of people" so I don't think I need an excuse to not say it.

[Yimmy]

sorry, i should've said "little merit" instead
idk what ive seen is that a mech band push doesn't need much value for you to go for it. like if you are only going to engage in the game mechanically it seems lame to turn down this oppurtunity. how big is the laundry list anyway?

(our readers may like to remember 3232

[Yimmy]

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[Theta Alpine]

well what i am asking is if ircher actually got recruited

Save the Dragons can confirm. I don't know if Dragons' acceptance was processed however since it happened during the night phase.

oh cool that confirms it then
passive income is checked at the start of the night and in this situation dragons was not amway until after night started
meaning i should have only had two income to use last night
and yet was able to use the neighborize which can only happen at three income
meaning
bingle was in fact recruited into amway