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Votecount 2-VII (UNCHANGED)

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to hammer.

Votes

JacksonVirgo (2 = E-2):

Passenger (213), BlueSnakelet (218)

Passenger (1):

Random Nurse (197)

ZZZX (1):

JacksonVirgo (242)

Not Voting (3):

ZZZX, AnimatedWiz (106), TheHoldSteady (220)

Notes

• The Deadline is due in (expired on 2023-09-16 23:21:44)
  
• You can find the combined mod ISO here.
  
• ZZZX is V/LA for the next two days.

[JacksonVirgo]

Damn I was gonna snipe that pagetop

[TheHoldSteady]

WITH THAT SAID:

We are in a 9 player game. We have 2 dead VT’s and 2 VT claims.

4 VT’s is the minimum number of VT’s in a 9 player normal.

Thus, ZZZX and AnimatedWiz are completely clear.

This leaves 2 scum in (T3, TheHoldSteady, Random Nurse, BlueSnakelet, and heiphizhu)

I don’t think I have ever seen a neighborhood that contains all town. I think it is very likely there is at least one scum in Vlue

this seems like something a confused town would say, not scum

It reads to me as pushing an agenda of just being confused.

also a good point

[JacksonVirgo]

I don't really think Blue is necessarily town. But nothing I've seen would tell me they're more likely scum over Passenger or ZZZ. So I'm wanting to put my focus on those two. What are your thoughts on each of those?

[AnimatedWiz]

Spoiler:

Spoiler:

Yeah, this game doesn’t have too much talk—not necessarily a bad thing, but it does make it difficult to get a read on anyone due to how little most of us have said.

If I might ask—BlueSnakelet, what reads do you have? You’ve had several votes but not spoken too much about what motivated them.

At some point Yesterday I made this list, though I can't remember the exact thought process behind it:

Annie
ZZZX
Heip
Passenger
Steady
Nurse
Tao
Not_Mafia

The game was barely out of RVS, so none of these were particularly strong.

Fine... I'll bite.

VOTE: Not_Mafia

Call me hypocrite, but I can't think of anyone else.

why not tao? it seems you were actually thinking of other people if you bothered to make that list.

What are you saying here? The list was like 200 posts later

he said he made it at the beginning of the game

Beginning of the game or not. The posts you quoted were 67 posts apart, and the list was posted after the vote you quoted. I'm not following what you're meaning here

i'm asking if he made that list towards the beginning of the game why did he say "can't think of anyone else". he shared it much later but said he had made it around the end of the rvs stage.

I can't speak for him but the day ended on page 4. That's 100 posts for the entirety of day 1 and him having 67 posts between your vote doesn't say much. That's literally almost comparing the start of the day to the end that and the end of RVS is where you form the initial reads. If the list was formed at the end of RVS aligns with genuine thought processes. There's nothing wrong with those two posts

Honest question here: is it possible that, due to the list being posted far later after the time he claimed to have come up with the reads and that he didn't have an explanation for any of them, it's possibly not an accurate reads list? I mean, even if he really did have those reads at that time, we don't even know what reasons he had for them.

You could even extend the logic to say that it's a fake list posted later to match what everyone else ending up read, but I'm not sure if that's too far out on a limb.

[JacksonVirgo]

The two of blues posts were also 4 IRL days apart.

[JacksonVirgo]

Honest question here: is it possible that, due to the list being posted far later after the time he claimed to have come up with the reads and that he didn't have an explanation for any of them, it's possibly not an accurate reads list? I mean, even if he really did have those reads at that time, we don't even know what reasons he had for them.

You could even extend the logic to say that it's a fake list posted later to match what everyone else ending up read, but I'm not sure if that's too far out on a limb.

Reasoning with 4 pages are always going to be weak and based in very little. I think you're both thinking the game was more advanced than it really was. The game wasn't even outside of RVS when the day was ended.

[TheHoldSteady]

i think zz is scum

108 and 110 read performative to me

as explained in 154 i still don't understand zz's train of thought on n_m; their initial vote seemed like a slight scumread and they were trying to pressure that slot to get a more accurate read. so why not hang back if they're so easy to read and you know that the jestering will eventually stop?

[AnimatedWiz]

That’s totally fair—I also think I’m likely overcomplicating things here. I appreciate the insight.

[TheHoldSteady]

i think limming zz -> snake -> passenger in that order should win the game

[JacksonVirgo]

i think limming zz -> snake -> passenger in that order should win the game

I agree but I don't think Snake is particularly scummy so I'd put Passenger ahead of them who is actively scummy.

[Passenger]

It's a blatant lie that is not even remotely close to any other normal run, and is easily confirmable. Yet it was greatly exaggerated

I said the 4 VT’s thing from a setup perspective. I highly doubt that the reviewers would ever approve a 9 player setup with 3 VT’s. It’s

possible

but unlikely.

[Passenger]

While I am not a normal reviewer, I have played and modded my fair share of normals.

[JacksonVirgo]

It's a blatant lie that is not even remotely close to any other normal run, and is easily confirmable. Yet it was greatly exaggerated

I said the 4 VT’s thing from a setup perspective. I highly doubt that the reviewers would ever approve a 9 player setup with 3 VT’s. It’s

possible

but unlikely.

This is another lie. You said specifically that 4 was the MINIMUM amount of VTs. Not what you suspect to to be the minimum

We are in a 9 player game. We have 2 dead VT’s and 2 VT claims. 4 VT’s is the minimum number of VT’s in a 9 player normal. Thus, ZZZX and AnimatedWiz are completely clear.

[Passenger]

I guess I could see a world in which 1 Neighbor and 1 VT claim is scum but it just feels awfully unlikely

[JacksonVirgo]

I believe you explicitly said that to control the Town into an agenda of yours. You're contradicting yourself

[JacksonVirgo]

I guess I could see a world in which 1 Neighbor and 1 VT claim is scum but it just feels awfully unlikely

You didn't say unlikely. You tried making it appear to be a fact that there MUST be 4 VTs. You were not saying you beleive it's unlikely. You did not say that.You're saying that

now

since you're getting called out on your lie but you most certainly did not say or mean it back then.

[TheHoldSteady]

I guess I could see a world in which 1 Neighbor and 1 VT claim is scum but it just feels awfully unlikely

how?

[JacksonVirgo]

VOTE: Passenger

They're wolf. Caught out on a lie

[JacksonVirgo]

Passenger what's your thoughts on ZZZ

[Passenger]

It's a blatant lie that is not even remotely close to any other normal run, and is easily confirmable. Yet it was greatly exaggerated

I said the 4 VT’s thing from a setup perspective. I highly doubt that the reviewers would ever approve a 9 player setup with 3 VT’s. It’s

possible

but unlikely.

This is another lie. You said specifically that 4 was the MINIMUM amount of VTs. Not what you suspect to to be the minimum

We are in a 9 player game. We have 2 dead VT’s and 2 VT claims. 4 VT’s is the minimum number of VT’s in a 9 player normal. Thus, ZZZX and AnimatedWiz are completely clear.

I was not presenting the 4 VT’s as a minimum theory as a hard and fast fact.

Fixed broken quote formatting

[JacksonVirgo]

We are in a 9 player game. We have 2 dead VT’s and 2 VT claims. 4 VT’s is the minimum number of VT’s in a 9 player normal. Thus, ZZZX and AnimatedWiz are completely clear.

You literally said it. These are

your

words.

In what world is "completely clear" and "is the minimum number of VT's in a 9p normal" just suggestions. No you're stating this as if it were facts

[TheHoldSteady]

It's a blatant lie that is not even remotely close to any other normal run, and is easily confirmable. Yet it was greatly exaggerated

I said the 4 VT’s thing from a setup perspective. I highly doubt that the reviewers would ever approve a 9 player setup with 3 VT’s. It’s

possible

but unlikely.

This is another lie. You said specifically that 4 was the MINIMUM amount of VTs. Not what you suspect to to be the minimum

We are in a 9 player game. We have 2 dead VT’s and 2 VT claims. 4 VT’s is the minimum number of VT’s in a 9 player normal. Thus, ZZZX and AnimatedWiz are completely clear.

I was not presenting the 4 VT’s as a minimum theory as a hard and fast fact.

you definitely were

Fixed broken quote formatting

[Passenger]

I guess I could see a world in which 1 Neighbor and 1 VT claim is scum but it just feels awfully unlikely

You didn't say unlikely. You tried making it appear to be a fact that there MUST be 4 VTs. You were not saying you beleive it's unlikely. You did not say that.You're saying that

now

since you're getting called out on your lie but you most certainly did not say or mean it back then.

From my fairly extensive experience modding and playing in normals that I believed the 4 VT’s as a minimum rule with ~95 to 98% certainty

[JacksonVirgo]

I understand making a mistake but your words right in this conversation prove that it wasn't just a mistake. You're playing it off like you never said it, therefore you're just wolf here.