Datisi's University [game over!]

[furtiveglance]

All your first post shows is that you were planning to claim

a role

from the start.

A role which I used the exact same wording as the cop last game for.

Which game?

[Dusa]

I lean town on Drew just townish vibes. I didn't find the day 1 stuff to be bad. He doesn't seem uncomfortable idk

[osuka]

i think we should kill the guy that said "yep this fakeclaim by dann is believable"

Before I vote today, I want us to discuss the RC/Ranger claims.

honestly im okay with letting it sit until tomorrow. scum are almost certainly going to kill ranger tonight, so if they dont die then i say we reconsider. otherwise, if ranger flips cop, then enchant is conftown the following day

[osuka]

i dont see drew as a big scumread of mine but i wouldnt be stunned if he flipped red. dann was more surprising to me, honestly

[osuka]

i want to do a deep dive on danns interactions

[RCEnigma]

I don't see how RC could be scum.
Is it abnormal for town to have 3 investigative roles in a larger setup?
It seems like most of these roles are most likely one-shot (at at the most two-shot).

In that case I could see mafia having some kind of godfather, or even an ascetic like Dannflor claimed.

I’m not checking alignment I’m checking ability to expel. So both snivy and andres would have essentially come up as red checks. That’s your power mitigation. Andres kills town on a wrong check that’s his mitigation. So I’m not expecting anything drastic out of the scumteam when they already have the power to multikill.

[RCEnigma]

Opposed is meaning different, not necessarily a scumclaim. RCE can always walk back the innocent on Ranger by claiming Ranger couldn't kill that night, Ranger is a scum that cannot kill or some other mistake.

It's not as hard. That's the point.

It’s not a by night thing, just a straight check. Scum are multitasking so even if they weren’t actively making the kill I would get the result that they have the potential to.

[RCEnigma]

Again I need GL to claim.

[Titus]

We have a reason for GL to claim. GL has suspicion on him. I think GL's claim will help clear up RCE's claim. It still feels vague to me (leaves open Ranger 3p even in the most powerful interpretation).

I see snivvy, Andres and RCE being gated and Ranger's just a straight up cop. Ranger smells like 3p to me. The claim just feels out of place mechanically.

[Titus]

I don't like I'm agreeing with someone I don't trust, but we get the pieces out and then sort them.

[Titus]

VOTE: GuiltyLion

[Titus]

Opposed is meaning different, not necessarily a scumclaim. RCE can always walk back the innocent on Ranger by claiming Ranger couldn't kill that night, Ranger is a scum that cannot kill or some other mistake.

It's not as hard. That's the point.

It’s not a by night thing, just a straight check. Scum are multitasking so even if they weren’t actively making the kill I would get the result that they have the potential to.

You're assuming things. I don't think it's a scummy one but I can think of ways around it. Not worth the debate.

[Dusa]

If rce is scum someone else on the team better at mech than him (or me) is helping out

Which would just keep gl as a solid lim lol

[Dusa]

I think there's enough sketchy slots for Occam's razor to just cut into slots outside the claims

Even me potentially leaning the wrong way on Drew etc
How many people are still alive isn't it like 13

[Titus]

I agree. I don't think I'm being clear. I'm not stating certainly that RCE is scum. I can't tell whether he's misguided or scum. I just don't buy Ranger town or Ranger not checking me. It's easy enough to fuck something up.

Still following up with GL is the best move.

[Doctor Drew]

I kinda think osuka might be scum with Dann. When I read Dann's Day 1, a big chunk of it is pushing a case on osuka especially wrt his interactions with Dusa. Then he sort of just says he doesn't think osuka is scum anymore (after exploring another wagon on Norwegian).

Would this be too transparent? It makes sense to me.

I get that, I'm just not sure whether Dann would necessarily case his partner like that, given osuka was a real possibility for a time on D1. I mean look at what happened with his CCS push on D2.

The earlier D1 wagon was Drew, and I'd say Dann's posts about him look worse than about osuka:

@Drew, can you like, please, engage with the game a little bit?

I feel like you are trying to respond to the wagon in a towny way by uh, ignoring it

but if you are town this response of doing nothing is like, not helping anyone. do you really have no thoughts about anyone who has joined the wagon on you? how are you expecting people to figure you out?

it just feels like you are determined to act unbothered by the pressure but I feel like town!you would at least be moved by it, a little? am i wrong?

idk maybe it's boredom but I am increasingly not feeling the drew wagon

So you are saying the wagon on me by Dann(I believe they started it) on D1 was basically scum theater by us? From an objective standpoint I can understand that.

I do need to read up a bit though, might have to wait until tomorrow.

[furtiveglance]

I kinda think osuka might be scum with Dann. When I read Dann's Day 1, a big chunk of it is pushing a case on osuka especially wrt his interactions with Dusa. Then he sort of just says he doesn't think osuka is scum anymore (after exploring another wagon on Norwegian).

Would this be too transparent? It makes sense to me.

I get that, I'm just not sure whether Dann would necessarily case his partner like that, given osuka was a real possibility for a time on D1. I mean look at what happened with his CCS push on D2.

The earlier D1 wagon was Drew, and I'd say Dann's posts about him look worse than about osuka:

@Drew, can you like, please, engage with the game a little bit?

I feel like you are trying to respond to the wagon in a towny way by uh, ignoring it

but if you are town this response of doing nothing is like, not helping anyone. do you really have no thoughts about anyone who has joined the wagon on you? how are you expecting people to figure you out?

it just feels like you are determined to act unbothered by the pressure but I feel like town!you would at least be moved by it, a little? am i wrong?

idk maybe it's boredom but I am increasingly not feeling the drew wagon

So you are saying the wagon on me by Dann(I believe they started it) on D1 was basically scum theater by us? From an objective standpoint I can understand that.

I do need to read up a bit though, might have to wait until tomorrow.

Yeah I appreciate it's a difficult thing for you to defend against.

[furtiveglance]

I think there's enough sketchy slots for Occam's razor to just cut into slots outside the claims

Even me potentially leaning the wrong way on Drew etc
How many people are still alive isn't it like 13

Correct. 4 scum left.

[Doctor Drew]

I kinda think osuka might be scum with Dann. When I read Dann's Day 1, a big chunk of it is pushing a case on osuka especially wrt his interactions with Dusa. Then he sort of just says he doesn't think osuka is scum anymore (after exploring another wagon on Norwegian).

Would this be too transparent? It makes sense to me.

I get that, I'm just not sure whether Dann would necessarily case his partner like that, given osuka was a real possibility for a time on D1. I mean look at what happened with his CCS push on D2.

The earlier D1 wagon was Drew, and I'd say Dann's posts about him look worse than about osuka:

@Drew, can you like, please, engage with the game a little bit?

I feel like you are trying to respond to the wagon in a towny way by uh, ignoring it

but if you are town this response of doing nothing is like, not helping anyone. do you really have no thoughts about anyone who has joined the wagon on you? how are you expecting people to figure you out?

it just feels like you are determined to act unbothered by the pressure but I feel like town!you would at least be moved by it, a little? am i wrong?

idk maybe it's boredom but I am increasingly not feeling the drew wagon

So you are saying the wagon on me by Dann(I believe they started it) on D1 was basically scum theater by us? From an objective standpoint I can understand that.

I do need to read up a bit though, might have to wait until tomorrow.

Yeah I appreciate it's a difficult thing for you to defend against.

Honestly, it it what it is. Like I said objectively speaking I can see someone looking at the interactions and saying 'Ya know what, Drew might be scum as well'.

Also I believe Dann was quick to say I townslipped when I forgot that it was stated in the OP that there was a 3p. The odd thing I see from my perspective is did Dann purposely do these things so I could be put in this exact situation we are now. But, trying to figure that out is best left to post game, because doesn't actually help to find scum.

Sorry, went a bit stream of consciousness there lol.

[furtiveglance]

Drew, who are your main scumreads right now?

[Doctor Drew]

Drew, who are your main scumreads right now?

RC would probably be my main main, then Ranger, Enchant......I still can't figure out how I feel about Osuka.

[furtiveglance]

[Enchant]

Drew, who are your main scumreads right now?

RC would probably be my main main, then Ranger, Enchant......I still can't figure out how I feel about Osuka.

Insane.

[Doctor Drew]

Did i miss something?

[RCEnigma]

I agree. I don't think I'm being clear. I'm not stating certainly that RCE is scum. I can't tell whether he's misguided or scum. I just don't buy Ranger town or Ranger not checking me. It's easy enough to fuck something up.

Still following up with GL is the best move.

I mean I’ve acknowledged Ranger could still be 3p.

But you’re taking rangers claim at face value and we both know that Ranger isn’t a straight up coo just because that’s what she’s said.