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Votecount 3-IV (UNCHANGED)

With 5 alive, it takes 3 to hammer.

Votes

JacksonVirgo (1 = E-2):

the worst (538)

Not Voting (4):

JacksonVirgo, Random Nurse, ZZZX, AnimatedWiz

Notes

• The Deadline is due in (expired on 2023-09-24 23:16:26)
  
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[the worst]

i wouldn't suggest trying to solve by specific role pm flavour. for me for example you're always going to get a summary of what my role does, not its exact name.

1- there's a vt role on the first page.
2- plenty of mods will tell you what wording they would use for a specific role! if not, it's a normal, you should be able to anticipate it anyway.
3- scum are going to check shit when they're forming fakeclaims. i'd argue a flavour slip is, if anything, 1% more likely to come from town but pretty close to rand.
4- it is against site rules to quote a role pm. i'm a this-rule-extremist and will not give you any of my role pm unless it's paraphrased.

[ZZZX]

My strongest town read is Wiz, I town read him even before the traffic result, and I did check the wiki, and as long as he is vanilla or a non communicating power role, there shouldnt be anything fishy. (If he is playing a role that can communicate what so ever in any way shape or form, he should've mentioned it by now, and I take the lack of him mentioning it to indicate that, no. He isn't). The only way he is scum due to the way things are, is a RN/Wiz combo, which I've discussed earlier. If thats the case well, it is a well deserved win. I am willing to consider Wiz as confirmed town from my pov

Second here is RN, but this is more tricky. I feel like the entire process of RN's posts makes sense with the knowledge of being PR (early game play), trying to not get NK'd, the process of initially scum reading then investigating Wiz makes sense, although it was... a bit too sudden and a bit too "perfect" timing-wise. So its a lean, but I wouldnt be surprised. I'd say the RN/Wiz interactions didn't feel like staged SvS,

Jackson I don't really have a solid read on, I mentioned earlier. He doesn't like me much, but I can't see any red alarm there, I need to re-read him.

The worst... well, I can tell you the vote is ballsy if nothing else, will scum do that vote? I can't say, i like his content, but it isn't much to make a read on, I need to re-read his pred. posts to decide. But If I had to choose between worst and Jackson, I'd vote Jackson at this point.

[Random Nurse]

OK what are your reads right now?

like in a list?

myself
wiz
you
zzzx
jv


i'm kind of solving by teams at this point though, there's not that many that can still exist i don't think

least likely
rn/jv
rn/wiz
jv/zzzx
most likely

my brain is a mess so i might not be accounting for some fringe possibility but tbh it's like 90%+ jv/zzzx to me

To be brutally honest I am not satisfied with your flimsy reads list.

I want you to go into more detail,

now

, so I know you've actually been invested in finding who the Scum are instead of simply trying to blend like a cheap imitation.

[JacksonVirgo]

Lmao zzz literally just said he TRs wiz and RN, had no read on me (aka SRs worst) and then said he’d vote me over worst, lmao

[Random Nurse]

My strongest town read is Wiz, I town read him even before the traffic result, and I did check the wiki, and as long as he is vanilla or a non communicating power role, there shouldnt be anything fishy. (If he is playing a role that can communicate what so ever in any way shape or form, he should've mentioned it by now, and I take the lack of him mentioning it to indicate that, no. He isn't). The only way he is scum due to the way things are, is a RN/Wiz combo, which I've discussed earlier. If thats the case well, it is a well deserved win. I am willing to consider Wiz as confirmed town from my pov

Second here is RN, but this is more tricky. I feel like the entire process of RN's posts makes sense with the knowledge of being PR (early game play), trying to not get NK'd, the process of initially scum reading then investigating Wiz makes sense, although it was... a bit too sudden and a bit too "perfect" timing-wise. So its a lean, but I wouldnt be surprised. I'd say the RN/Wiz interactions didn't feel like staged SvS,

Jackson I don't really have a solid read on, I mentioned earlier. He doesn't like me much, but I can't see any red alarm there, I need to re-read him.

The worst... well, I can tell you the vote is ballsy if nothing else, will scum do that vote? I can't say, i like his content, but it isn't much to make a read on, I need to re-read his pred. posts to decide. But If I had to choose between worst and Jackson, I'd vote Jackson at this point.

OK, but why do you Townread him since before the TA result? What exactly did he do before then to make you Townread him? Yes yes, the game moderator did confirm that Scum have Daytalk; I can't think of any way the mod could have made it so that he is Scum but doesn't show up as being able to privately communicate. Barring some batshit Normal game mechanic I'm missing I don't see how he could be Scum at this point.

See, my gut is pinging that you're Town, because you FEEL like you're not informed and are trying to solve this game. Then again I always need to remind myself that in endgame the person you trust the most is most likely Scum, a detail far too many players miss these days.

If it's JV/Worst they can easily just put a vote on another and wait all damn Day for one of us to fuck up and then they both vote, ending the game. Scum have Daytalk so it's highly possible to line up the timing.

[the worst]

To be brutally honest I am not satisfied with your flimsy reads list.

I want you to go into more detail,

now

, so I know you've actually been invested in finding who the Scum are instead of simply trying to blend like a cheap imitation.

it takes a bit for me to be rude, and i don't plan to be. i'm going to be very blunt. i can see you're having a moment, but take a moment to apply empathy to the slots you're trying to solve. this game is utterly sideways from where i sit - wiz can't be scum unless they're scum with you. i've spent most of my early posts talking through why i don't think it's feasible that you're scum. i know i'm not scum. so like, i'm not sorry, mechanically the scumteam is pretty close to confirmed to be jv/zzzx to me.

so yeah. my readlist is performative. i'm still town, there's just not really any other reads for me to have.

i'll admit you're specifically not going to get a lot out of me tonight because i'm not in a great headspace. if you need more from me i can give it a go tomorrow. i'm here principally because - to be extremely blunt - this game is at its 11th hour and anyone who's still trying to solve these three slots off participation in f5 has very little idea of how this gamestate works.

like you and wiz have the short straw here, and i know that sucks, but none of jv/zzzx/i really have any realistic scum suspects except each other and i don't find either zzzx or jv pretending to keep you in their POE very convincing.

[Random Nurse]

See, fmpov I see JV and Worst trying to cast shade on others, but I gut-feel that ZZZX is trying to actually solve and is as invested as both Wiz and I in finding Scum.

[the worst]

what *isn't* performative is my posts about how i'm reading the gamestate and how i can see particularly JV setting this up on d2. i can talk more to that tomorrow if it will help.

but like, i can't really solve this game by having a convincing readlist because from my perspective this game is pretty much mechanically solved. if anything, whoever in jv/zzzx/i is still pretending to have a readlist is performative.

[Random Nurse]

To be brutally honest I am not satisfied with your flimsy reads list.

I want you to go into more detail,

now

, so I know you've actually been invested in finding who the Scum are instead of simply trying to blend like a cheap imitation.

it takes a bit for me to be rude, and i don't plan to be. i'm going to be very blunt. i can see you're having a moment, but take a moment to apply empathy to the slots you're trying to solve. this game is utterly sideways from where i sit - wiz can't be scum unless they're scum with you. i've spent most of my early posts talking through why i don't think it's feasible that you're scum. i know i'm not scum. so like, i'm not sorry, mechanically the scumteam is pretty close to confirmed to be jv/zzzx to me.

so yeah. my readlist is performative. i'm still town, there's just not really any other reads for me to have.

i'll admit you're specifically not going to get a lot out of me tonight because i'm not in a great headspace. if you need more from me i can give it a go tomorrow. i'm here principally because - to be extremely blunt - this game is at its 11th hour and anyone who's still trying to solve these three slots off participation in f5 has very little idea of how this gamestate works.

like you and wiz have the short straw here, and i know that sucks, but none of jv/zzzx/i really have any realistic scum suspects except each other and i don't find either zzzx or jv pretending to keep you in their POE very convincing.

You don't have anything else to say about your reads? You've been here for awhile now? And what exactly do you mean by performative?

I expect you to have more meat on these bones you've presented to me. I want a steak, not some paltry frog legs. You've been in the kitchen long enough.

[Random Nurse]

what *isn't* performative is my posts about how i'm reading the gamestate and how i can see particularly JV setting this up on d2. i can talk more to that tomorrow if it will help.

but like, i can't really solve this game by having a convincing readlist because from my perspective this game is pretty much mechanically solved. if anything, whoever in jv/zzzx/i is still pretending to have a readlist is performative.

When again?

[Random Nurse]

what *isn't* performative is my posts about how i'm reading the gamestate and how

i can see particularly JV setting this up on d2.

i can talk more to that tomorrow if it will help.

but like, i can't really solve this game by having a convincing readlist because from my perspective this game is pretty much mechanically solved. if anything, whoever in jv/zzzx/i is still pretending to have a readlist is performative.

If it's as apparent to you as you think it is then you should be able to sum it up in 3 sentences tops and that takes a lot less time than tomorrow.

[Random Nurse]

So I'm going to call it now.

I'm going to VOTE: Jackson Virgo

Animated Wiz, don't vote yet please.

[Random Nurse]

VOTE: unvote

[Random Nurse]

*sigh*

Keep the votes where they are.

I want more feedback from people.

[ZZZX]

No need to rush

[Random Nurse]

Jackson I don't really have a solid read on, I mentioned earlier. He doesn't like me much, but I can't see any red alarm there, I need to re-read him.

The worst... well, I can tell you the vote is ballsy if nothing else, will scum do that vote? I can't say, i like his content, but it isn't much to make a read on, I need to re-read his pred. posts to decide. But If I had to choose between worst and Jackson, I'd vote Jackson at this point.

Lmao zzz literally just said he TRs wiz and RN, had no read on me (aka SRs worst) and then said he’d vote me over worst, lmao

OK I need some follow-through on this, ZZZX.

[ZZZX]

Lmao zzz literally just said he TRs wiz and RN, had no read on me (aka SRs worst) and then said he’d vote me over worst, lmao

I can explain it with one word,

GUT

[Random Nurse]

OK Worst

why exactly

are you voting JV again?

[ZZZX]

Jackson I don't really have a solid read on, I mentioned earlier. He doesn't like me much, but I can't see any red alarm there, I need to re-read him.

The worst... well, I can tell you the vote is ballsy if nothing else, will scum do that vote? I can't say, i like his content, but it isn't much to make a read on, I need to re-read his pred. posts to decide. But If I had to choose between worst and Jackson, I'd vote Jackson at this point.

Lmao zzz literally just said he TRs wiz and RN, had no read on me (aka SRs worst) and then said he’d vote me over worst, lmao

OK I need some follow-through on this, ZZZX.

I have no real reason for either, and I just simply feel worst is more geniune, I wish I can bullshit you a reason, but I don't, maybe if I re-read them and their pred. I can tell you, but I have just about run outta time I am willing to put into the game for now. Until tonight or smthing. I need lunch soon

[the worst]

To be brutally honest I am not satisfied with your flimsy reads list.

I want you to go into more detail,

now

, so I know you've actually been invested in finding who the Scum are instead of simply trying to blend like a cheap imitation.

it takes a bit for me to be rude, and i don't plan to be. i'm going to be very blunt. i can see you're having a moment, but take a moment to apply empathy to the slots you're trying to solve. this game is utterly sideways from where i sit - wiz can't be scum unless they're scum with you. i've spent most of my early posts talking through why i don't think it's feasible that you're scum. i know i'm not scum. so like, i'm not sorry, mechanically the scumteam is pretty close to confirmed to be jv/zzzx to me.

so yeah. my readlist is performative. i'm still town, there's just not really any other reads for me to have.

i'll admit you're specifically not going to get a lot out of me tonight because i'm not in a great headspace. if you need more from me i can give it a go tomorrow. i'm here principally because - to be extremely blunt - this game is at its 11th hour and anyone who's still trying to solve these three slots off participation in f5 has very little idea of how this gamestate works.

like you and wiz have the short straw here, and i know that sucks, but none of jv/zzzx/i really have any realistic scum suspects except each other and i don't find either zzzx or jv pretending to keep you in their POE very convincing.

You don't have anything else to say about your reads? You've been here for awhile now? And what exactly do you mean by performative?

I expect you to have more meat on these bones you've presented to me. I want a steak, not some paltry frog legs. You've been in the kitchen long enough.

i replaced in night two, the steak isn't even rare yet and it's going to go straight to burned

the worst - i'm town hi
AnimatedWiz - before i'd read the game, i found out that you had got an inno on wiz. therefore mechanically, either wiz is specifically scum with you, or wiz is town.
Random Nurse - before i'd read the game, i found out that you had an inno on wiz. you can still be scum, that totally makes sense. let's pretend that you're scum for a moment. within the scope of your playstyle i find it really hard to accept that you're scum who (1) decided that he was going to fakeclaim an investigative town power role on d1, (2) had absolutely no fear of being investigated himself on n1 or being counterclaimed with this plan, (3) decided to waste his own slot by lolhammering Not_Mafia who is honestly limmable later in the game when player lists aren't familiar with him, (4) then decided to fake a nothing result on hu tao to specifically worsen his own position, (5) lucked in because there wasn't an actual investigative role to counterclaim him. like when i was rereading the game, i absolutely considered that you were not confirmed town to me. but like i've played with you pretty recently, and i have a taste for how you approach this game as town. reading over the way you hammered NM, the way you conducted your claim and the way you've followed through on this, you were just too earnest. this is your town meta and you played a very straight town power role gimmick, and got very lucky that there was a protective role in the setup. i'm willing to bet the game that you're scum.

as soon as i accept this version of reality i'm kind of already left with a POE of:
ZZZX - lurker
JacksonVirgo - plainly powerwolved and manipulated the gamestate on d2

so like. yeah, no, i'm not thinking about this game in terms of ~what my reads are~. i can go back and find things that look towny from you and wiz if you want, but it's performative because this game is pretty close to mechanically solved for me and it's a pretty far stretch for me to consider any team except for [zzzx, jv].

i get that my pred wasn't widely townread and that this game is loseable but also i'd rather not lose this game because you're looking for the traditional TW experience when the only nuanced thing i can examine is your alignment, which seemed patently obvious to me 7 pages into the game.

so please take this away and sleep on it. if you come back and vote me that's whatever, i'll be here postgame to quote this post and we can laugh about it then. but that steak isn't going to be satisfying - it's a bad cut. there's just nothing of meaning for me to analyse.

[Random Nurse]

Lmao zzz literally just said he TRs wiz and RN, had no read on me (aka SRs worst) and then said he’d vote me over worst, lmao

I can explain it with one word,

GUT

Trying to give voice to your gut. The little details. Give me the why. Sit back and take a couple minutes if it helps you put words to your gut feelings.

[Random Nurse]

Jackson I don't really have a solid read on, I mentioned earlier. He doesn't like me much, but I can't see any red alarm there, I need to re-read him.

The worst... well, I can tell you the vote is ballsy if nothing else, will scum do that vote? I can't say, i like his content, but it isn't much to make a read on, I need to re-read his pred. posts to decide. But If I had to choose between worst and Jackson, I'd vote Jackson at this point.

Lmao zzz literally just said he TRs wiz and RN, had no read on me (aka SRs worst) and then said he’d vote me over worst, lmao

OK I need some follow-through on this, ZZZX.

I have no real reason for either, and I just simply feel worst is more geniune, I wish I can bullshit you a reason, but I don't, maybe if I re-read them and their pred. I can tell you, but I have just about run outta time I am willing to put into the game for now. Until tonight or smthing. I need lunch soon

OK

why

do you feel Worst is more genuine?

[ZZZX]

Sure, but just to reply to something @worst:
"
(1) decided that he was going to fakeclaim an investigative town power role on d1
"
He didn't, he claimed it D2, after the mass claim. He was the least like NK target on N1

[the worst]

And what exactly do you mean by performative?

just to address this directly - since i replaced in n2 and only read the game on d3, this game was kind of boolean for me.

if RN is town => scumteam is ZZZX/JV
if RN is ??? => oh god here we go

and like, unfortunately, you're really obviously town.

so you asked me for a readlist, and i put one together because i kind of need to humour you so that we vote together and scum doesn't win this game right now. but it wasn't an organic readlist. i was putting names in a list to explain the *process* i've gone through, not to explain how much i townread individual people based on participation.