Mini Normal 2313: I am sitting in a room (game over)

[Merlyn]

Dann mentioned that its weird to vote for blackstar if you think animated is scummy.

Again, we dont have flips to push associations with. Everyone is independently scummy and as such you should be willing to vote with somebody you dont trust as long as you trust your vote.

That’s not what I meant

I meant if you think Animated is scum

Who are the scum pushing a counter wagon?

You would have to think it’s me pushing blackstar or not believe in Hu Tao town

But from my perspective it’s an all town wagon on Black Star

I really like this post. I don't feel like scum would put themselves out there like that

[Merlyn]

WHAT. I have NEVER gotten two pagetops in a row

Hi Hu Tao! Hu Tao thoroughly fooled me last time she was scum, and I actually do believe it's in thier wheelhouse to fake a 'forgot there was an IC'. But they are playing differently than the last game we played. Last time they were not rocking the boat, staying under the radar, not arguing points.

[Skygazer]

VC 1.13

AnimatedWiz

(4): Charles510, Gumiguy, BlackStar, Black

BlackStar

(3): Dannflor, Hu Tao, pisskop

Shrek

(1): bob3141

Charle510

(1): Afrayed Knott

Gumiguy

(1): Merlyn

Not Voting

(3): brightbluebug, AnimatedWiz, Andante

With 13 alive, it takes 7 votes to scuttle a player. Day 1 ends in (expired on 2023-09-28 06:30:00).

mod notes: Shush, you're rude!

[Merlyn]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Blackstar I like this better

[Merlyn]

E-2 I believe

[Black]

Dannflor seems off for some reason. But not sure why.

I’m intentionally playing a little different from how I normally do

I’m trying for a high degree of read accuracy rather than making myself obv town

What kind of modifications are you making to your playstyle to achieve this?

I’m being a little more reserved in sharing my thoughts and not as actively engaged in mediating the thread

I find when I’m playing to be obvious town scum tend to know they need to play around me and my reads get worse as a by product

My reads have always been best when I’m a spectator or someone more removed from the game

Would you mind linking a couple of your scum games?

[pisskop]

If I were a bodyguard, who should I guard tonight

[Black]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Blackstar I like this better

What do you find scummy about BlackStar?

[Black]

If I were a bodyguard, who should I guard tonight

I think the Mafia are curious about this too. On one hand they want to get rid of you pretty bad, but on the other you're probably a top target to protect if there is a BG. So what do scum do here? It's tricky for them

[AnimatedWiz]

Who, if anyone else, are you also reading as scummy? What is the most probable scum team?

My current best scumreads are on Bug and Gumi since they’ve been so quiet. Blackstar makes me feel suspicious since they seem to be really keen to move the main wagon onto me, but I’m still unsure about whether that’s just plain desperation or an actual scumread on me.

I’m more confident in my townreads, especially Black, Hu Tao, and Dann. They seem to have a lot of logical thoughts and communicate them really well, which I feel would be hard for scum to do so consistently.

so, you think that scum are more likely to be inactive than town? That's not been my experience, it's pretty NAI to me. What are your reads on some of the more active players?

I've only been in one game so far, and in that one the quieter players have been scum, generally—that's my only experience here.

Um, for other active reads, let's see...

Andante is, uh, kind of the most zealous scumhunter I've ever played with. She's really aggressive about going for the people she doesn't trust, and yet I feel like she really is just a townie with a lot of fervor. Hu Tao says she was like this in the past, so from I can tell it's not too worrying as long as she actually gets good reads.

Afrayed is... hard to understand, which I think everyone else has been feeling as well, from what I can tell. Personally, slight scumread, but I honestly should just ask them about their thoughts so that I can get more information to base a read on. Their late start means I have to go off of, after all.

Oh, and I like that you're pretty active and seem to be presenting strong reads, so I have a very tentative townread on you for now... but the activity could be an attempt to keep attention off your spot, since I voted on it earlier for inactivity. I need to keep that possibility in mind for the future.

[AnimatedWiz]

Also, I feel like someone asked me a question a bit earlier but I can't seem find it? I'll have to go digging some more and see where it is.

[AnimatedWiz]

Just so this question doesn't get lost like some of my other ones from earlier (like 256), I'll quote for attention.

Afrayed, are you still scumreading Charles? Is there anyone else who you feel you've gotten a real read on since you were on last?

[AnimatedWiz]

Ah, well, there goes my argument.

UNVOTE: Shrek

Why the unvote? Why the vote on inactivity at all?

Found it!

Pretty much as I said to Merlyn earlier, my only other game had really quiet scum, so I extrapolated that to here—I thought it was a possibility that Shrek was trying to dodge any attention to not get suspected.

[pisskop]

hmmmmmm


I mean shrek did just place out, right?

[AnimatedWiz]

Yeah, right after I voted on them, too.

[pisskop]

I mean, that's kind of coincidence. They were prodded and all

[AnimatedWiz]

Oh, I wasn’t saying they left because I voted on them—them leaving so soon after a prod made me reorder the likeliest reasons for being quiet, actually! Just kind of funny how weird my timing seems to be this game.

[Skygazer]

one more announcement

I have decided to edit an explanation of this game's flavor into VC 1.00.

[Charles510]

brightbluebug: scum
Charles510: town
Gumiguy: scum
Dannflor: null
Hu Tao: null
Andante: null
AnimatedWiz: scum
bob3141: scum
Afrayed Knott: scum
Generic/pisskop: confirmed town
BlackStar: town
Shrek/merlyn: null
Black: town

These are just gut reactions without supporting evidence. Feel free to ask me why I read any particular way.

[AnimatedWiz]

Dannflor: null
Hu Tao: null
Andante: null

These are just gut reactions without supporting evidence. Feel free to ask me why I read any particular way.

Personally interested in these three reads, since I read them as town.

[pisskop]

Id be interested in hearing the scum!bob case.

[Black]

Id be interested in hearing the scum!bob case.

same

[Charles510]

Dannflor: null
Hu Tao: null
Andante: null

These are just gut reactions without supporting evidence. Feel free to ask me why I read any particular way.

Personally interested in these three reads, since I read them as town.

I probably have not been paying good enough attention to get more solid reads here.

[Charles510]

ok, no more ChatGPT posts, I promise to be me.

brightbluebug, please set up an avatar picture ASAP. That is one of my pet peeves.

I only know one thing, Generic is town. I will sheep wherever he goes. For that reason I am placing my vote on
VOTE: AnimatedWiz

very bad vote

So your saying you arnt trying to solve the game as thats what it looks like. Out side of conf town voting there dont you want to atleast sort that player. As what makes you think gen is even right.

I don't know. Maybe I didn't like being called very bad.

[pisskop]

thats fair, but you know that alone isnt a good reason. I dont think Bob is an epitome of town or anything, but is that all?